Comments on: Inner City Livin' http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:53:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: suzoz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22501 suzoz Tue, 26 Apr 2005 02:59:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22501 I grew up in the suburbs of Sydney. I left 30 years ago but still get the complete creeps when I go back, even though they have changed a lot (schoolgirls now sit at outdoor cafes sipping cappucinos on their way home from school). I moved to the inner city, which was a revelation to me - walking and cycling everywhere, people on the street at all hours, a much higher sense of personal safety as a woman etc. Then I lived in London for a decade. When I returned to live in Sydney, it was crucial for my mental wellbeing to choose urban. I've lived in the inner east ever since. I have a child and am very glad that he is not growing up in the suburbs. He gets plenty of space in the large public parks (eg Centennial Park) - we hardly ever use our small car, we walk everywhere, we are 10 minutes away from several beaches, I can sit here at my desk in a quiet leafy (pretty) street but not feel alienated or isolated as I regularly see or hear another human being. My surroundings are (mostly) beautiful - no red brick houses or Hills hoists or paling fences or dessicated lawns. The only drawback is that our current house is on the small side, but our domestic outgoings are minimal - and we can always walk out the front door and enjoy what's on offer just a few steps away! My idea of a mightmare would be being forced to live in suburbia again. I grew up in the suburbs of Sydney. I left 30 years ago but still get the complete creeps when I go back, even though they have changed a lot (schoolgirls now sit at outdoor cafes sipping cappucinos on their way home from school). I moved to the inner city, which was a revelation to me – walking and cycling everywhere, people on the street at all hours, a much higher sense of personal safety as a woman etc. Then I lived in London for a decade. When I returned to live in Sydney, it was crucial for my mental wellbeing to choose urban. I’ve lived in the inner east ever since. I have a child and am very glad that he is not growing up in the suburbs. He gets plenty of space in the large public parks (eg Centennial Park) – we hardly ever use our small car, we walk everywhere, we are 10 minutes away from several beaches, I can sit here at my desk in a quiet leafy (pretty) street but not feel alienated or isolated as I regularly see or hear another human being. My surroundings are (mostly) beautiful – no red brick houses or Hills hoists or paling fences or dessicated lawns. The only drawback is that our current house is on the small side, but our domestic outgoings are minimal – and we can always walk out the front door and enjoy what’s on offer just a few steps away! My idea of a mightmare would be being forced to live in suburbia again.

]]> By: suzoz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47303 suzoz Tue, 26 Apr 2005 02:59:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47303 I grew up in the suburbs of Sydney. I left 30 years ago but still get the complete creeps when I go back, even though they have changed a lot (schoolgirls now sit at outdoor cafes sipping cappucinos on their way home from school). I moved to the inner city, which was a revelation to me - walking and cycling everywhere, people on the street at all hours, a much higher sense of personal safety as a woman etc. Then I lived in London for a decade. When I returned to live in Sydney, it was crucial for my mental wellbeing to choose urban. I've lived in the inner east ever since. I have a child and am very glad that he is not growing up in the suburbs. He gets plenty of space in the large public parks (eg Centennial Park) - we hardly ever use our small car, we walk everywhere, we are 10 minutes away from several beaches, I can sit here at my desk in a quiet leafy (pretty) street but not feel alienated or isolated as I regularly see or hear another human being. My surroundings are (mostly) beautiful - no red brick houses or Hills hoists or paling fences or dessicated lawns. The only drawback is that our current house is on the small side, but our domestic outgoings are minimal - and we can always walk out the front door and enjoy what's on offer just a few steps away! My idea of a mightmare would be being forced to live in suburbia again. I grew up in the suburbs of Sydney. I left 30 years ago but still get the complete creeps when I go back, even though they have changed a lot (schoolgirls now sit at outdoor cafes sipping cappucinos on their way home from school). I moved to the inner city, which was a revelation to me – walking and cycling everywhere, people on the street at all hours, a much higher sense of personal safety as a woman etc. Then I lived in London for a decade. When I returned to live in Sydney, it was crucial for my mental wellbeing to choose urban. I’ve lived in the inner east ever since. I have a child and am very glad that he is not growing up in the suburbs. He gets plenty of space in the large public parks (eg Centennial Park) – we hardly ever use our small car, we walk everywhere, we are 10 minutes away from several beaches, I can sit here at my desk in a quiet leafy (pretty) street but not feel alienated or isolated as I regularly see or hear another human being. My surroundings are (mostly) beautiful – no red brick houses or Hills hoists or paling fences or dessicated lawns. The only drawback is that our current house is on the small side, but our domestic outgoings are minimal – and we can always walk out the front door and enjoy what’s on offer just a few steps away! My idea of a mightmare would be being forced to live in suburbia again.

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22500 Mark Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:45:51 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22500 By the way, we have the ice-cream vans in New Farm too. By the way, we have the ice-cream vans in New Farm too.

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47302 Mark Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:45:51 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47302 By the way, we have the ice-cream vans in New Farm too. By the way, we have the ice-cream vans in New Farm too.

]]> By: Rob http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22499 Rob Mon, 25 Apr 2005 06:23:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22499 The compensation for the lack of urban living in Alice is that you're in Albert Namatjira territory. I never properly realised what a great artist he was until I went out through the West Macs and saw the landscapes myself. Not all of his stuff is equally impressive but at his best he <b>is</b> the best. The compensation for the lack of urban living in Alice is that you’re in Albert Namatjira territory. I never properly realised what a great artist he was until I went out through the West Macs and saw the landscapes myself. Not all of his stuff is equally impressive but at his best he is the best.

]]> By: Rob http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47301 Rob Mon, 25 Apr 2005 06:23:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47301 The compensation for the lack of urban living in Alice is that you're in Albert Namatjira territory. I never properly realised what a great artist he was until I went out through the West Macs and saw the landscapes myself. Not all of his stuff is equally impressive but at his best he <b>is</b> the best. The compensation for the lack of urban living in Alice is that you’re in Albert Namatjira territory. I never properly realised what a great artist he was until I went out through the West Macs and saw the landscapes myself. Not all of his stuff is equally impressive but at his best he is the best.

]]> By: Brian Bahnisch http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22498 Brian Bahnisch Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:48:20 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22498 Rob, yes Toowoomba is an attractive place. All the larger provincial cities in Qld have their special character. Cities of 100,000 usually have good all-round facilities and a range of active social and cultural groups. I used to think there was a lot more interchange/communication across groups and social layers, particularly where there was a university, than you get in bigger and possibly also smaller places. In this respect Townsville and Cairns seemed more open and fluid than Toowoomba and Rockhampton, but I stress this was based on my own limited and subjective experience as a short-term periodic visitor. On the inner-city theme, there was an interesting article a few weeks back demonstrating that large cities were more friendly to the environment than idyllic rural landscapes. He and his wife started out in New York where they walked everywhere and used about 4000kw of electricity per year. When they had a daughter they moved 150k out where they enjoyed the birds and the bears and lovely wooded landscapes. But they used 30,000kw of electricity pa, had three cars (one as a back-up) and used 8 litres of petrol to rent a video. Rob, yes Toowoomba is an attractive place. All the larger provincial cities in Qld have their special character. Cities of 100,000 usually have good all-round facilities and a range of active social and cultural groups. I used to think there was a lot more interchange/communication across groups and social layers, particularly where there was a university, than you get in bigger and possibly also smaller places. In this respect Townsville and Cairns seemed more open and fluid than Toowoomba and Rockhampton, but I stress this was based on my own limited and subjective experience as a short-term periodic visitor.

On the inner-city theme, there was an interesting article a few weeks back demonstrating that large cities were more friendly to the environment than idyllic rural landscapes. He and his wife started out in New York where they walked everywhere and used about 4000kw of electricity per year. When they had a daughter they moved 150k out where they enjoyed the birds and the bears and lovely wooded landscapes. But they used 30,000kw of electricity pa, had three cars (one as a back-up) and used 8 litres of petrol to rent a video.

]]> By: Brian Bahnisch http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47300 Brian Bahnisch Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:48:20 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47300 Rob, yes Toowoomba is an attractive place. All the larger provincial cities in Qld have their special character. Cities of 100,000 usually have good all-round facilities and a range of active social and cultural groups. I used to think there was a lot more interchange/communication across groups and social layers, particularly where there was a university, than you get in bigger and possibly also smaller places. In this respect Townsville and Cairns seemed more open and fluid than Toowoomba and Rockhampton, but I stress this was based on my own limited and subjective experience as a short-term periodic visitor. On the inner-city theme, there was an interesting article a few weeks back demonstrating that large cities were more friendly to the environment than idyllic rural landscapes. He and his wife started out in New York where they walked everywhere and used about 4000kw of electricity per year. When they had a daughter they moved 150k out where they enjoyed the birds and the bears and lovely wooded landscapes. But they used 30,000kw of electricity pa, had three cars (one as a back-up) and used 8 litres of petrol to rent a video. Rob, yes Toowoomba is an attractive place. All the larger provincial cities in Qld have their special character. Cities of 100,000 usually have good all-round facilities and a range of active social and cultural groups. I used to think there was a lot more interchange/communication across groups and social layers, particularly where there was a university, than you get in bigger and possibly also smaller places. In this respect Townsville and Cairns seemed more open and fluid than Toowoomba and Rockhampton, but I stress this was based on my own limited and subjective experience as a short-term periodic visitor.

On the inner-city theme, there was an interesting article a few weeks back demonstrating that large cities were more friendly to the environment than idyllic rural landscapes. He and his wife started out in New York where they walked everywhere and used about 4000kw of electricity per year. When they had a daughter they moved 150k out where they enjoyed the birds and the bears and lovely wooded landscapes. But they used 30,000kw of electricity pa, had three cars (one as a back-up) and used 8 litres of petrol to rent a video.

]]> By: Andrew Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22497 Andrew Norton Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:26:06 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-22497 Fyodor said" "Rob?Äôs right on Manukah. Vastly over-rated by the locals. Its restaurants are, however, better than the nostalgia nosh you get on Lygon St in Carlton. The best "Italian" restaurant there is the University Cafe, and it?Äôs probably one of the few nosheries likely to survive the inexorable progress of Thai-restaurant disease crawling up Lygon St." There are really two Lygon Sts - on the city side of Grattan St iit s just a tourist trap. So far as I can tell, all the restaurants there are mediocre and overpriced. Even at the other end of Lygon St the food is generally mediocre, but since it relies on repeat custom for locals not such a rip-off, if all you are after is what I call 'Italian peasant fare'. The coffee, bookshops, and cinema are all very good though. One of Lygon's St's problems, in my view, is that it has several car parks, which atract people from the suburbs with a 15-20 years out-of-date idea that Lygon St is the place for food. In fact there are many much better restaurants in the suburbs these days. But while they keep coming things won't improve. Fyodor said” “Rob?Äôs right on Manukah. Vastly over-rated by the locals. Its restaurants are, however, better than the nostalgia nosh you get on Lygon St in Carlton. The best “Italian” restaurant there is the University Cafe, and it?Äôs probably one of the few nosheries likely to survive the inexorable progress of Thai-restaurant disease crawling up Lygon St.”

There are really two Lygon Sts – on the city side of Grattan St iit s just a tourist trap. So far as I can tell, all the restaurants there are mediocre and overpriced. Even at the other end of Lygon St the food is generally mediocre, but since it relies on repeat custom for locals not such a rip-off, if all you are after is what I call ‘Italian peasant fare’. The coffee, bookshops, and cinema are all very good though.

One of Lygon’s St’s problems, in my view, is that it has several car parks, which atract people from the suburbs with a 15-20 years out-of-date idea that Lygon St is the place for food. In fact there are many much better restaurants in the suburbs these days. But while they keep coming things won’t improve.

]]> By: Andrew Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47299 Andrew Norton Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:26:06 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/23/inner-city-livin/#comment-47299 Fyodor said" "Rob?Äôs right on Manukah. Vastly over-rated by the locals. Its restaurants are, however, better than the nostalgia nosh you get on Lygon St in Carlton. The best "Italian" restaurant there is the University Cafe, and it?Äôs probably one of the few nosheries likely to survive the inexorable progress of Thai-restaurant disease crawling up Lygon St." There are really two Lygon Sts - on the city side of Grattan St iit s just a tourist trap. So far as I can tell, all the restaurants there are mediocre and overpriced. Even at the other end of Lygon St the food is generally mediocre, but since it relies on repeat custom for locals not such a rip-off, if all you are after is what I call 'Italian peasant fare'. The coffee, bookshops, and cinema are all very good though. One of Lygon's St's problems, in my view, is that it has several car parks, which atract people from the suburbs with a 15-20 years out-of-date idea that Lygon St is the place for food. In fact there are many much better restaurants in the suburbs these days. But while they keep coming things won't improve. Fyodor said” “Rob?Äôs right on Manukah. Vastly over-rated by the locals. Its restaurants are, however, better than the nostalgia nosh you get on Lygon St in Carlton. The best “Italian” restaurant there is the University Cafe, and it?Äôs probably one of the few nosheries likely to survive the inexorable progress of Thai-restaurant disease crawling up Lygon St.”

There are really two Lygon Sts – on the city side of Grattan St iit s just a tourist trap. So far as I can tell, all the restaurants there are mediocre and overpriced. Even at the other end of Lygon St the food is generally mediocre, but since it relies on repeat custom for locals not such a rip-off, if all you are after is what I call ‘Italian peasant fare’. The coffee, bookshops, and cinema are all very good though.

One of Lygon’s St’s problems, in my view, is that it has several car parks, which atract people from the suburbs with a 15-20 years out-of-date idea that Lygon St is the place for food. In fact there are many much better restaurants in the suburbs these days. But while they keep coming things won’t improve.

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