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	<title>Comments on: Email Problems</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/</link>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3728</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 06:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3728</guid>
		<description>Another point, raised by Al Bundy on my blog:

Simply extending sex education to cover legal matters as well as biological ones would do a great deal to improve the situation, and would be very easy to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point, raised by Al Bundy on my blog:</p>
<p>Simply extending sex education to cover legal matters as well as biological ones would do a great deal to improve the situation, and would be very easy to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3710</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3710</guid>
		<description>The problem is that whenever some fine tuning is proposed that would make the system fairer to men, it is vigorously opposed. In the end, this leads to a buildup of pressure which will, eventually, result in the trashing of the system if reforms are not made.

One pertinent example is the persistent blocking by the Labor/Democrat Senate of minor reforms to the family law system that would make it easier for men to visit their children. Now that Senate block has been overthrown, and the Government will be able to make greater reforms than it would have if the Labor/Democrat majority had acted reasonably enough not to get thrown out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that whenever some fine tuning is proposed that would make the system fairer to men, it is vigorously opposed. In the end, this leads to a buildup of pressure which will, eventually, result in the trashing of the system if reforms are not made.</p>
<p>One pertinent example is the persistent blocking by the Labor/Democrat Senate of minor reforms to the family law system that would make it easier for men to visit their children. Now that Senate block has been overthrown, and the Government will be able to make greater reforms than it would have if the Labor/Democrat majority had acted reasonably enough not to get thrown out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3686</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3686</guid>
		<description>EP the unfortunate fact is that the current system allows lots of people to be exploited in many ways. In this particular instance it is men that pay. In others it's women, the elderly, the unemployed etc. There is always someone getting screwed. If we went over to your system then it would be the women getting screwed, and innocent children. I don't think in cases of proveable sperm theft men should have to pay child support, nor do I think men should have to pay child support for children that aren't theirs in the case of a relationship breakdown. However, we can't switch to a system of 'now it's your turn to be screwed' because it doesn't help anyone. The current system could do with some fine tuning, but not a complete trashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EP the unfortunate fact is that the current system allows lots of people to be exploited in many ways. In this particular instance it is men that pay. In others it&#8217;s women, the elderly, the unemployed etc. There is always someone getting screwed. If we went over to your system then it would be the women getting screwed, and innocent children. I don&#8217;t think in cases of proveable sperm theft men should have to pay child support, nor do I think men should have to pay child support for children that aren&#8217;t theirs in the case of a relationship breakdown. However, we can&#8217;t switch to a system of &#8216;now it&#8217;s your turn to be screwed&#8217; because it doesn&#8217;t help anyone. The current system could do with some fine tuning, but not a complete trashing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3682</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3682</guid>
		<description>Aw, the puddy tat wants to fight.

I don't think a man should be required to pay child support in cases of proven "sperm theft," but I also think the onus of proof must rest on the man who seeks to avoid the responsibility, and the burden must be greater than the balance of probabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, the puddy tat wants to fight.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a man should be required to pay child support in cases of proven &#8220;sperm theft,&#8221; but I also think the onus of proof must rest on the man who seeks to avoid the responsibility, and the burden must be greater than the balance of probabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3675</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3675</guid>
		<description>Yet when the current system allows women to exploit men through fraud and lies, you don't object.

I should have known better than to expect any sort of fairness. First we have to destroy the Left, then we can work on reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet when the current system allows women to exploit men through fraud and lies, you don&#8217;t object.</p>
<p>I should have known better than to expect any sort of fairness. First we have to destroy the Left, then we can work on reform.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3670</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 03:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3670</guid>
		<description>EP I'm afraid our previous agreement on this issue will have to end here. The fact is that given a get out of jail free card some men who actively and happily participated in the making of the child would get cold feet and cry 'I never wanted a child' and refuse to pay child support. Then you end up with a he said she said situation and a child who doesn't get any support from a father who liked the idea of a child but not the reality.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EP I&#8217;m afraid our previous agreement on this issue will have to end here. The fact is that given a get out of jail free card some men who actively and happily participated in the making of the child would get cold feet and cry &#8216;I never wanted a child&#8217; and refuse to pay child support. Then you end up with a he said she said situation and a child who doesn&#8217;t get any support from a father who liked the idea of a child but not the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3667</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3667</guid>
		<description>Don't talk to me about "the rights of the child".

If a woman can kill it, it doesn't have any rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t talk to me about &#8220;the rights of the child&#8221;.</p>
<p>If a woman can kill it, it doesn&#8217;t have any rights.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3664</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3664</guid>
		<description>"All that is required is a right for men to choose whether or not to support an unwanted child ‚Äî equivalent to a woman‚Äôs right to choose whether or not to support an unwanted fetus."

Ah, so much to be said for to have and to hold, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, unto death do us part. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All that is required is a right for men to choose whether or not to support an unwanted child ‚Äî equivalent to a woman‚Äôs right to choose whether or not to support an unwanted fetus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, so much to be said for to have and to hold, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, unto death do us part.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3663</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3663</guid>
		<description>You probably thought that was funny absurdist satire Dave. 
Funny? Yes. 
Absurdist Satire? Just wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably thought that was funny absurdist satire Dave.<br />
Funny? Yes.<br />
Absurdist Satire? Just wait.</p>
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		<title>By: david tiley</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3662</link>
		<dc:creator>david tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3662</guid>
		<description>"I did it for equality and justice", shouted Elvis Piefeatures, as he was ejected from The Supreme Court Crust, the last restaurant in Melbourne to insist both on ties for males and a house ban on breastfeeding women.

Astonished police called to the scene discovered that Mr Piefeatures had been surgically altered with transplanted breasts so that he could truly share the work of childrearing. He told waiting reporters that his girlfriend had slipped him a Mickey Finn and then stolen his sperm to avoid his assiduous use of his own home-made triple-layer armoured condoms.

Unfortunately the woman concerned worked as a receptionist for a horse vet, and the drug rendered him unconscious, disorganised and incontinent until well into the third trimester. New legislation passed through Federal Parliament making late term abortions illegal also shortened the period in which he could legally reject the child on the grounds of deliberate trickery.

"I know I am stuck with her", he said, "but my heart melted when I looked into her big brown eyes. Once I became aware just how hard my beloved partner Boadicea has to work to keep our little angel alive, my mind was made up. 

I signed up for the operation the next day. Equality is a wonderful thing."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I did it for equality and justice&#8221;, shouted Elvis Piefeatures, as he was ejected from The Supreme Court Crust, the last restaurant in Melbourne to insist both on ties for males and a house ban on breastfeeding women.</p>
<p>Astonished police called to the scene discovered that Mr Piefeatures had been surgically altered with transplanted breasts so that he could truly share the work of childrearing. He told waiting reporters that his girlfriend had slipped him a Mickey Finn and then stolen his sperm to avoid his assiduous use of his own home-made triple-layer armoured condoms.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the woman concerned worked as a receptionist for a horse vet, and the drug rendered him unconscious, disorganised and incontinent until well into the third trimester. New legislation passed through Federal Parliament making late term abortions illegal also shortened the period in which he could legally reject the child on the grounds of deliberate trickery.</p>
<p>&#8220;I know I am stuck with her&#8221;, he said, &#8220;but my heart melted when I looked into her big brown eyes. Once I became aware just how hard my beloved partner Boadicea has to work to keep our little angel alive, my mind was made up. </p>
<p>I signed up for the operation the next day. Equality is a wonderful thing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3661</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3661</guid>
		<description>There's a thought - the unwanted but loved. 

Is why the law in all its folk-wisdom has decreed that blokes have to put up too.

Our species' continuation requires male participation, EP. There is an evolutionary imperative.

Very high-minded to attempt freeing us from our biological shackles, but far too much effort for far too little gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a thought - the unwanted but loved. </p>
<p>Is why the law in all its folk-wisdom has decreed that blokes have to put up too.</p>
<p>Our species&#8217; continuation requires male participation, EP. There is an evolutionary imperative.</p>
<p>Very high-minded to attempt freeing us from our biological shackles, but far too much effort for far too little gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3657</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3657</guid>
		<description>It doesn't even need to be equivalent between the sexes.  The inescapable fact is that if a child is born, it does  not bear the sins of its father, or the sins of its mother.

Whatever else the conversation covers, the bottom line is that a child deserves the love and care of all of us.  I'm not asserting that the the present arrangements are ideal, and I accept that it is possible that a woman could hunt and gather sperm to impregnate herself with.  Even if she does that, it's not the kid's fault.  The kid is still entitled to be loved and protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t even need to be equivalent between the sexes.  The inescapable fact is that if a child is born, it does  not bear the sins of its father, or the sins of its mother.</p>
<p>Whatever else the conversation covers, the bottom line is that a child deserves the love and care of all of us.  I&#8217;m not asserting that the the present arrangements are ideal, and I accept that it is possible that a woman could hunt and gather sperm to impregnate herself with.  Even if she does that, it&#8217;s not the kid&#8217;s fault.  The kid is still entitled to be loved and protected.</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3654</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3654</guid>
		<description>Yes, Nabs. My suggestion is to change the law so that there is a right for men to choose whether or not to support an unwanted child ‚Äî equivalent to a woman‚Äôs right to choose whether or not to support an unwanted fetus.

No new bureaucracies or enforcement agencies whatsoever would be required. And of course, unlike the chances of you acquiring the Nautilus, the probability of achieving this law reform within my lifetime is fairly high.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Nabs. My suggestion is to change the law so that there is a right for men to choose whether or not to support an unwanted child ‚Äî equivalent to a woman‚Äôs right to choose whether or not to support an unwanted fetus.</p>
<p>No new bureaucracies or enforcement agencies whatsoever would be required. And of course, unlike the chances of you acquiring the Nautilus, the probability of achieving this law reform within my lifetime is fairly high.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3647</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3647</guid>
		<description>And it's not equivalent, as you well know. The only equivalent is if men could get pregnant through ovary theft. The closest equivalent, and it's not equivalent, is men having the right to insist on a woman having an abortion (see Tone Abbott on this one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s not equivalent, as you well know. The only equivalent is if men could get pregnant through ovary theft. The closest equivalent, and it&#8217;s not equivalent, is men having the right to insist on a woman having an abortion (see Tone Abbott on this one).</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3645</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3645</guid>
		<description>And I want the "Nautilas" but I realise achieving the desired result will be a lot more complicated than just uttering the desire.

Given the apparently infinite ability of humans to screw up, go over the top, lie and dissemble or just get really dazed and confused when it comes to sex, do you have any practical suggestions for delivering your solution (and ones that don't involve increased government regulation either)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I want the &#8220;Nautilas&#8221; but I realise achieving the desired result will be a lot more complicated than just uttering the desire.</p>
<p>Given the apparently infinite ability of humans to screw up, go over the top, lie and dissemble or just get really dazed and confused when it comes to sex, do you have any practical suggestions for delivering your solution (and ones that don&#8217;t involve increased government regulation either)?</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3643</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3643</guid>
		<description>None of this is an issue with my stated solution, which you continue to ignore. I'll post it again, so you can ignore it again:

&lt;b&gt;All that is required is a right for men to choose whether or not to support an unwanted child ‚Äî equivalent to a woman‚Äôs right to choose whether or not to support an unwanted fetus.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of this is an issue with my stated solution, which you continue to ignore. I&#8217;ll post it again, so you can ignore it again:</p>
<p><b>All that is required is a right for men to choose whether or not to support an unwanted child ‚Äî equivalent to a woman‚Äôs right to choose whether or not to support an unwanted fetus.</b></p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3642</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3642</guid>
		<description>Nonsense Evil. Rape is an act of violence. You are arging some form of entrapment, which is virtually impossible to decide upon in the absence of witnesses. This is where we always get to with this line of argument. 

Let's try to go another step, and imagine you taking action. Do you have any witnesses to evidence of your own entrapment, suitable for presentation to a court?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense Evil. Rape is an act of violence. You are arging some form of entrapment, which is virtually impossible to decide upon in the absence of witnesses. This is where we always get to with this line of argument. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try to go another step, and imagine you taking action. Do you have any witnesses to evidence of your own entrapment, suitable for presentation to a court?</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3641</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3641</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;So EP, in the absence of said bureaucracy, or even in its presence, how can the authorities be satisfied that the hapless sperm has been thieved?&lt;/i&gt;

Courts can decide these things, much as they can in the he-said, she-said world of other rape cases.

Nabs, I'd crusade for consistent rights between the sexes, even if that means standing next to hairy-armpitted wimmenslibbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So EP, in the absence of said bureaucracy, or even in its presence, how can the authorities be satisfied that the hapless sperm has been thieved?</i></p>
<p>Courts can decide these things, much as they can in the he-said, she-said world of other rape cases.</p>
<p>Nabs, I&#8217;d crusade for consistent rights between the sexes, even if that means standing next to hairy-armpitted wimmenslibbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3639</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3639</guid>
		<description>"At or before the cut-off time when the fetus could be legally aborted (or later if the mother failed to inform him she was pregnant)."

Oh, does that mean you'll be crusading against restrictive abortion legislation as well? I just can see you uneasily rubbing shoulders with strident female lefty demonstrators who are casting skeptical looks at your "No More Unwanted Dads!" placard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At or before the cut-off time when the fetus could be legally aborted (or later if the mother failed to inform him she was pregnant).&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, does that mean you&#8217;ll be crusading against restrictive abortion legislation as well? I just can see you uneasily rubbing shoulders with strident female lefty demonstrators who are casting skeptical looks at your &#8220;No More Unwanted Dads!&#8221; placard.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3637</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/04/29/email-problems/#comment-3637</guid>
		<description>So EP, in the absence of said bureaucracy, or even in its presence, how can the authorities be satisfied that the hapless sperm has been thieved, as it were, and as distinct from just another male saying-would-he-would-say-wouldn't-he in seeking to evade responsibilites with which he was complicit or worse in creating? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So EP, in the absence of said bureaucracy, or even in its presence, how can the authorities be satisfied that the hapless sperm has been thieved, as it were, and as distinct from just another male saying-would-he-would-say-wouldn&#8217;t-he in seeking to evade responsibilites with which he was complicit or worse in creating?</p>
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