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	<title>Comments on: L&#8217;Affaire Albrechtsen/Chrenkoff</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/</link>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4990</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 02:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.roadtosurfdom.com/archives/2005/05/but_for_the_gra.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Tim Dunlop&lt;/a&gt; has more on this, Martin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.roadtosurfdom.com/archives/2005/05/but_for_the_gra.html" rel="nofollow">Tim Dunlop</a> has more on this, Martin.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Pike</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4984</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 01:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4984</guid>
		<description>There's been an interesting development, over a certain misleading statement made by Chrenk to MW regarding remuneration and editing. Forgive a clayton's trackback:

http://northcoteknob.blogspot.com/2005/05/chrenkoff-affair.html

A follow-up on next week's Media Watch? Should be interesting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been an interesting development, over a certain misleading statement made by Chrenk to MW regarding remuneration and editing. Forgive a clayton&#8217;s trackback:</p>
<p><a href="http://northcoteknob.blogspot.com/2005/05/chrenkoff-affair.html" rel="nofollow">http://northcoteknob.blogspot.com/2005/05/chrenkoff-affair.html</a></p>
<p>A follow-up on next week&#8217;s Media Watch? Should be interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4847</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 17:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4847</guid>
		<description>Considering all the misrepresentation, poor research, and occasional flat-out lies Albrechtsen regularly comes up with, why the hell does this story matter?  If anything, her Chrenkoff column comes as a welcome relief!

There should be some sort of scale at work here: You Must Be This Untruthful To Register On Our RADAR.  Anything less and you may even get a Tim Tam for being willing to pretend to be an honest journalist for a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering all the misrepresentation, poor research, and occasional flat-out lies Albrechtsen regularly comes up with, why the hell does this story matter?  If anything, her Chrenkoff column comes as a welcome relief!</p>
<p>There should be some sort of scale at work here: You Must Be This Untruthful To Register On Our RADAR.  Anything less and you may even get a Tim Tam for being willing to pretend to be an honest journalist for a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4735</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 13:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4735</guid>
		<description>James, how about I write a longer piece on this at a later date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, how about I write a longer piece on this at a later date.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4727</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 13:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4727</guid>
		<description>Rob: good work.

Mark: The point of the Sheahan story was not that Sheahan is an ass, but that a paper like the SMH will put the personas of it's star writers ahead of what, for want of a better word, I'll call the truth. So they missed the Hun scandal. They can't cover everything. It's only Melbourne anyway.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob: good work.</p>
<p>Mark: The point of the Sheahan story was not that Sheahan is an ass, but that a paper like the SMH will put the personas of it&#8217;s star writers ahead of what, for want of a better word, I&#8217;ll call the truth. So they missed the Hun scandal. They can&#8217;t cover everything. It&#8217;s only Melbourne anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4722</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4722</guid>
		<description>James, I just posted a comment (emotive, proabably incomprehensible) in support of opera over at Q's. Thanks for the tip. Bastards with tin ears and big beards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I just posted a comment (emotive, proabably incomprehensible) in support of opera over at Q&#8217;s. Thanks for the tip. Bastards with tin ears and big beards.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4711</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 12:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4711</guid>
		<description>I'll simply refer you to &lt;a href="http://citystate.reger.com/entry-logid7537-eventid26503-Another-lost-opportunity-by-Media.log" rel="nofollow"&gt;Phil Gomes&lt;/a&gt;, James.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll simply refer you to <a href="http://citystate.reger.com/entry-logid7537-eventid26503-Another-lost-opportunity-by-Media.log" rel="nofollow">Phil Gomes</a>, James.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4710</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 11:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4710</guid>
		<description>And while I'm in a rage, where's Rob when you need him? Quiggin is bagging opera again, and it's left all to me to mount a defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while I&#8217;m in a rage, where&#8217;s Rob when you need him? Quiggin is bagging opera again, and it&#8217;s left all to me to mount a defense.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4709</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 11:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4709</guid>
		<description>'...treating everything as a seemingly isolated breach of ethics.'

This is preposterous, Mark. Wrong, wrong, wrong. There are many ongoing themes - non-disclosure of financial interest, self-censorship in reporting adverstisers, merging of news and advertising, plagiarism and other deceptions, cash for comment, ceque-book journalism the inadequacy of the Broadcasting Tribunal - and the root causes that tie these all together - media monopoly, general erosion of journalistic standards and ethics, governments' failure to regulate. The way you talk, it's all about grammatical errors and other cock-ups, a kind of highbrow &lt;i&gt;Funniest Home Videos&lt;/i&gt;. Here's a challenge: list three major items this year that struck you as both trivial and divorced from issues of systemic rot. At least, get up from the computer and pay attention next time it's on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;&#8230;treating everything as a seemingly isolated breach of ethics.&#8217;</p>
<p>This is preposterous, Mark. Wrong, wrong, wrong. There are many ongoing themes - non-disclosure of financial interest, self-censorship in reporting adverstisers, merging of news and advertising, plagiarism and other deceptions, cash for comment, ceque-book journalism the inadequacy of the Broadcasting Tribunal - and the root causes that tie these all together - media monopoly, general erosion of journalistic standards and ethics, governments&#8217; failure to regulate. The way you talk, it&#8217;s all about grammatical errors and other cock-ups, a kind of highbrow <i>Funniest Home Videos</i>. Here&#8217;s a challenge: list three major items this year that struck you as both trivial and divorced from issues of systemic rot. At least, get up from the computer and pay attention next time it&#8217;s on.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4707</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 11:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4707</guid>
		<description>The video starts with an address by Robertson at the Republican National Convention.  Robertson in his address makes reference to "a plague".  A voice over, presumably one put together by a gay rights group, says that the use of the word plague is a thinly veiled reference to AIDS and homosexuality.

On the Larry King show, a caller says that the Republican convention was one of the most hateful things he‚Äôs heard, he‚Äôs a republican but that was the reason he didn‚Äôt vote for Bush.

Larry King then asks a question, and the audio is bad at this point.


Then there‚Äôs a break:

In the break  Robertson whispers to his advisers.  "That guy was a homo as sure as you‚Äôre alive"

His adviser comforts him, saying that he didn‚Äôt look rattled.  He then tells Robertson how to twist his way out of calls like that.

Next the spin doctor tells him that he‚Äôs spoken to the producers and asked for the calls to be screened. He wants to see some "balance out there".   

Three of the callers were Homosexuals claims Robertson.

Robertson then says to his adviser that the producers of the show are trying to set him up.

--end--

Its funny to see Robertson label these callers, who he can't even see, homosexuals. But is the clear spinning going on, and the paranoia that its a setup, and that they've got to spin their way out of it, rather than just honestly confront the issue that's the eye opener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video starts with an address by Robertson at the Republican National Convention.  Robertson in his address makes reference to &#8220;a plague&#8221;.  A voice over, presumably one put together by a gay rights group, says that the use of the word plague is a thinly veiled reference to AIDS and homosexuality.</p>
<p>On the Larry King show, a caller says that the Republican convention was one of the most hateful things he‚Äôs heard, he‚Äôs a republican but that was the reason he didn‚Äôt vote for Bush.</p>
<p>Larry King then asks a question, and the audio is bad at this point.</p>
<p>Then there‚Äôs a break:</p>
<p>In the break  Robertson whispers to his advisers.  &#8220;That guy was a homo as sure as you‚Äôre alive&#8221;</p>
<p>His adviser comforts him, saying that he didn‚Äôt look rattled.  He then tells Robertson how to twist his way out of calls like that.</p>
<p>Next the spin doctor tells him that he‚Äôs spoken to the producers and asked for the calls to be screened. He wants to see some &#8220;balance out there&#8221;.   </p>
<p>Three of the callers were Homosexuals claims Robertson.</p>
<p>Robertson then says to his adviser that the producers of the show are trying to set him up.</p>
<p>&#8211;end&#8211;</p>
<p>Its funny to see Robertson label these callers, who he can&#8217;t even see, homosexuals. But is the clear spinning going on, and the paranoia that its a setup, and that they&#8217;ve got to spin their way out of it, rather than just honestly confront the issue that&#8217;s the eye opener.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 11:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4706</guid>
		<description>What happens, Rex - I still need to buy speakers for my new computer!

James, no it wasn't me. I did see it and I think that's been the high point so far this year. But I still don't see MW getting to grips with why this goes on and on. I'm not at all convinced that it's impossible to address those issues in a short programme - in itself demonstrating the linkages between different types of media scandal would have an educational effect - rather than treating everything as a seemingly isolated breach of ethics. They're not - they're reflections of big structural problems with the media in general - including, I'd argue, ABC TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens, Rex - I still need to buy speakers for my new computer!</p>
<p>James, no it wasn&#8217;t me. I did see it and I think that&#8217;s been the high point so far this year. But I still don&#8217;t see MW getting to grips with why this goes on and on. I&#8217;m not at all convinced that it&#8217;s impossible to address those issues in a short programme - in itself demonstrating the linkages between different types of media scandal would have an educational effect - rather than treating everything as a seemingly isolated breach of ethics. They&#8217;re not - they&#8217;re reflections of big structural problems with the media in general - including, I&#8217;d argue, ABC TV.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4704</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 10:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4704</guid>
		<description>Are you kidding, Mark? What about last week's &lt;i&gt;Media Watch&lt;/i&gt; about Chanel 9 and the Bali Nine families? That was a piece of arid pedantry was it? As I recall you even blogged on that...or was it someone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding, Mark? What about last week&#8217;s <i>Media Watch</i> about Chanel 9 and the Bali Nine families? That was a piece of arid pedantry was it? As I recall you even blogged on that&#8230;or was it someone else?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4703</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 10:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4703</guid>
		<description>Incidently Mark.  Take a look at spin in action &lt;a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/09.html#a2847" rel="nofollow"&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/09.html#a2847


Its a video of Pat Robertson on the Larry King show.   Robertson takes a few phone in questions from callers who are critical.  Then there's a break.  Its what gets said in the break thats the killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidently Mark.  Take a look at spin in action <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/09.html#a2847" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/09.html#a2847" rel="nofollow">http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/09.html#a2847</a></p>
<p>Its a video of Pat Robertson on the Larry King show.   Robertson takes a few phone in questions from callers who are critical.  Then there&#8217;s a break.  Its what gets said in the break thats the killer.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4702</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 10:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4702</guid>
		<description>How is it possible to defend a plagarist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it possible to defend a plagarist?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4701</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 10:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Post Mark, However surely to take on the appalling misrepresentation, confectioneering, and manipulation of today's Media is beyond the scope and capacity of a 15 minute program.  

To do as you suggest requires background, context and a documentary length program, which if the ABC chose to do, would simply form another example of leftist bias for the mouthpiece mob.

I think Media Watch is doing all it can reasonably be expected to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Post Mark, However surely to take on the appalling misrepresentation, confectioneering, and manipulation of today&#8217;s Media is beyond the scope and capacity of a 15 minute program.  </p>
<p>To do as you suggest requires background, context and a documentary length program, which if the ABC chose to do, would simply form another example of leftist bias for the mouthpiece mob.</p>
<p>I think Media Watch is doing all it can reasonably be expected to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kemp</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4699</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 08:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4699</guid>
		<description>What was so nauseating about Albrechsten's article was the heading which basically said there was her 'truth' versus the terrorists, a slight variation on the toxic texan's mantra, ''you are either with us or against us.'' Prior Meeja Watch luminary David Marr (good one David)  I think coined a new verb "to Albrechsten''---I think  Liz applied an antidote of sorts but I agree with Mark that journalism and public interest issues need a big airing.

In the meantime Good News from Iraq, (to *Albrechsten* the issue): 
1) 100 prison inmates were not proven to be screwed up the a*** or wired to the mains.
2) Only about a 100 Iraqis were killed in a day or so, instead of a thousand
3) The new government did not appoint Allawi or Chalabi as treasurer
4) 30% of the working population are employed
5) C4 and Semtex futures have improved in Iraq.
6) US patent laws have not allowed the modification of garage opening electronics for use in IEDs (improvised explosive devices)

So easy to write the good news from Iraq !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was so nauseating about Albrechsten&#8217;s article was the heading which basically said there was her &#8216;truth&#8217; versus the terrorists, a slight variation on the toxic texan&#8217;s mantra, &#8221;you are either with us or against us.&#8221; Prior Meeja Watch luminary David Marr (good one David)  I think coined a new verb &#8220;to Albrechsten&#8221;&#8212;I think  Liz applied an antidote of sorts but I agree with Mark that journalism and public interest issues need a big airing.</p>
<p>In the meantime Good News from Iraq, (to *Albrechsten* the issue):<br />
1) 100 prison inmates were not proven to be screwed up the a*** or wired to the mains.<br />
2) Only about a 100 Iraqis were killed in a day or so, instead of a thousand<br />
3) The new government did not appoint Allawi or Chalabi as treasurer<br />
4) 30% of the working population are employed<br />
5) C4 and Semtex futures have improved in Iraq.<br />
6) US patent laws have not allowed the modification of garage opening electronics for use in IEDs (improvised explosive devices)</p>
<p>So easy to write the good news from Iraq !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nic White</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4698</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 07:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/05/10/laffaire-albrechtsenchrenkoff/#comment-4698</guid>
		<description>Yeah, its another one of those "who cares?" occurances that doesnt even deserve a mention. Media watch must have been desperate for material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, its another one of those &#8220;who cares?&#8221; occurances that doesnt even deserve a mention. Media watch must have been desperate for material.</p>
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