Comments on: Values Panic http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:35:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Andrew Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28332 Andrew Norton Wed, 08 Jun 2005 06:21:26 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28332 Kate - The failure of the state to educate underprivileged children properly is one strong reason for eliminating the state's role as an education provider (though not funder), and putting the children into a more competitive school environment where bad schools will close. As now, underprivileged students on average will have less invested in their education than students from middle class families, but at least they would get the institutional flexibilities and accountabilities of the independent sector. I think testing should be compulsory, at least on the basics of maths and writing, but again am reluctant to trust the state to deliver it, on content grounds and because like in NSW they will refuse to release the results. Amanda - Who is more threatening, the people who run one school or the people who run 70% of schools? It's a curious thing about the Australian left - they moan about almost everything government does but still believe in it. Kate – The failure of the state to educate underprivileged children properly is one strong reason for eliminating the state’s role as an education provider (though not funder), and putting the children into a more competitive school environment where bad schools will close. As now, underprivileged students on average will have less invested in their education than students from middle class families, but at least they would get the institutional flexibilities and accountabilities of the independent sector. I think testing should be compulsory, at least on the basics of maths and writing, but again am reluctant to trust the state to deliver it, on content grounds and because like in NSW they will refuse to release the results.

Amanda – Who is more threatening, the people who run one school or the people who run 70% of schools?

It’s a curious thing about the Australian left – they moan about almost everything government does but still believe in it.

]]> By: Andrew Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53134 Andrew Norton Wed, 08 Jun 2005 06:21:26 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53134 Kate - The failure of the state to educate underprivileged children properly is one strong reason for eliminating the state's role as an education provider (though not funder), and putting the children into a more competitive school environment where bad schools will close. As now, underprivileged students on average will have less invested in their education than students from middle class families, but at least they would get the institutional flexibilities and accountabilities of the independent sector. I think testing should be compulsory, at least on the basics of maths and writing, but again am reluctant to trust the state to deliver it, on content grounds and because like in NSW they will refuse to release the results. Amanda - Who is more threatening, the people who run one school or the people who run 70% of schools? It's a curious thing about the Australian left - they moan about almost everything government does but still believe in it. Kate – The failure of the state to educate underprivileged children properly is one strong reason for eliminating the state’s role as an education provider (though not funder), and putting the children into a more competitive school environment where bad schools will close. As now, underprivileged students on average will have less invested in their education than students from middle class families, but at least they would get the institutional flexibilities and accountabilities of the independent sector. I think testing should be compulsory, at least on the basics of maths and writing, but again am reluctant to trust the state to deliver it, on content grounds and because like in NSW they will refuse to release the results.

Amanda – Who is more threatening, the people who run one school or the people who run 70% of schools?

It’s a curious thing about the Australian left – they moan about almost everything government does but still believe in it.

]]> By: Amanda http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28331 Amanda Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:25:01 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28331 So instead of cancellation subject to the whims of the NSW Govt, it would be subject to the whims of someone else. So instead of cancellation subject to the whims of the NSW Govt, it would be subject to the whims of someone else.

]]> By: Amanda http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53133 Amanda Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:25:01 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53133 So instead of cancellation subject to the whims of the NSW Govt, it would be subject to the whims of someone else. So instead of cancellation subject to the whims of the NSW Govt, it would be subject to the whims of someone else.

]]> By: Kate http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28330 Kate Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:12:31 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28330 Oh, I see Andrew. Thanks for that. I still don't understand how a purely private network of schools would work, how you would standardise testing and standards, and ensure that underprivileged children received the same basic standard of education as richer children. Come to think of it, these are all issue with all sorts of education, but I feel the issues would be far greater with no government schools at all. Oh, I see Andrew. Thanks for that.
I still don’t understand how a purely private network of schools would work, how you would standardise testing and standards, and ensure that underprivileged children received the same basic standard of education as richer children.
Come to think of it, these are all issue with all sorts of education, but I feel the issues would be far greater with no government schools at all.

]]> By: Kate http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53132 Kate Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:12:31 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53132 Oh, I see Andrew. Thanks for that. I still don't understand how a purely private network of schools would work, how you would standardise testing and standards, and ensure that underprivileged children received the same basic standard of education as richer children. Come to think of it, these are all issue with all sorts of education, but I feel the issues would be far greater with no government schools at all. Oh, I see Andrew. Thanks for that.
I still don’t understand how a purely private network of schools would work, how you would standardise testing and standards, and ensure that underprivileged children received the same basic standard of education as richer children.
Come to think of it, these are all issue with all sorts of education, but I feel the issues would be far greater with no government schools at all.

]]> By: Andrew Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28329 Andrew Norton Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:01:31 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28329 If this has been a private school (and I think all schools should be independent of the state) the NSW government would not have been able to cancel the program, and presumably Dr Nelson would have been much more reluctant to offer us his opinions. If this has been a private school (and I think all schools should be independent of the state) the NSW government would not have been able to cancel the program, and presumably Dr Nelson would have been much more reluctant to offer us his opinions.

]]> By: Andrew Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53131 Andrew Norton Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:01:31 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53131 If this has been a private school (and I think all schools should be independent of the state) the NSW government would not have been able to cancel the program, and presumably Dr Nelson would have been much more reluctant to offer us his opinions. If this has been a private school (and I think all schools should be independent of the state) the NSW government would not have been able to cancel the program, and presumably Dr Nelson would have been much more reluctant to offer us his opinions.

]]> By: the saintly alan greenspan http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28328 the saintly alan greenspan Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:30:59 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-28328 True dat. True dat.

]]> By: the saintly alan greenspan http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53130 the saintly alan greenspan Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:30:59 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/07/values-panic/#comment-53130 True dat. True dat.

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