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	<title>Comments on: Medicalising Prejudice</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-31046</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've read the thesis and I don't see any point one should reject. This is my personal opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read the thesis and I don&#8217;t see any point one should reject. This is my personal opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9990</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's sound advice, Mark. I think also medication is often a substitute for the more difficult work of getting to the underlying issues.

On another mental health/social control note, &lt;a href="http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1393675.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Four Corners&lt;/a&gt; tonight looks interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s sound advice, Mark. I think also medication is often a substitute for the more difficult work of getting to the underlying issues.</p>
<p>On another mental health/social control note, <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1393675.htm" rel="nofollow">Four Corners</a> tonight looks interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Chorlton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9968</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Chorlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9968</guid>
		<description>As a psychologist I can see both sides of the issue under discussion here. I believe we do have diagnosible psychological disorders but I also agree that my profession, but more particular psychiatry (see the DSM-IV-TR), can over-medicalise what may be better termed problems of living.

I think Steve made a very important point when he mentioned the lack of situations (environment) being considered when assessing someones psychological status. In the biopsychosocial model allfacets should be considered and this most defiately includes the psychosocial factors impinging on an individual at that present time. To ignore this is to the detriment of the patient in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a psychologist I can see both sides of the issue under discussion here. I believe we do have diagnosible psychological disorders but I also agree that my profession, but more particular psychiatry (see the DSM-IV-TR), can over-medicalise what may be better termed problems of living.</p>
<p>I think Steve made a very important point when he mentioned the lack of situations (environment) being considered when assessing someones psychological status. In the biopsychosocial model allfacets should be considered and this most defiately includes the psychosocial factors impinging on an individual at that present time. To ignore this is to the detriment of the patient in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9819</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9819</guid>
		<description>Steve, I think there's a certain circularity going on in our culture at the moment - we are encouraged to think of our problems as medical, and doctors, drug companies and all sorts of psy professionals and pseudo-professionals (life coaches etc) market pills for our (perceived) ills. At the most extreme, we get the continuing belief that being gay is a &lt;a href="http://www.pissnvinegar.com/2005/06/11/111/" rel="nofollow"&gt;disorder to be cured&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I think there&#8217;s a certain circularity going on in our culture at the moment - we are encouraged to think of our problems as medical, and doctors, drug companies and all sorts of psy professionals and pseudo-professionals (life coaches etc) market pills for our (perceived) ills. At the most extreme, we get the continuing belief that being gay is a <a href="http://www.pissnvinegar.com/2005/06/11/111/" rel="nofollow">disorder to be cured</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9769</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9769</guid>
		<description>Thanks very much, Steve.

I'm a bit tired tonight so I might respond at greater length tomorrow but one quick observation is that the downside of most anti-depressants is that there's little upside - they flatten out your moods rather than make you happy so you don't feel despair but you don't feel joy either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much, Steve.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit tired tonight so I might respond at greater length tomorrow but one quick observation is that the downside of most anti-depressants is that there&#8217;s little upside - they flatten out your moods rather than make you happy so you don&#8217;t feel despair but you don&#8217;t feel joy either!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Edney</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9767</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Edney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9767</guid>
		<description>
Great post Kim. In some ways I think medicalising everything gives people a sense that they no longer need take personal resposibility for things themselves. Once its a named condition someone else can solve it for you. 
You classify a problem as an illness. You treat an illness with drugs. The danger is that illness become associated with your ability to reason there is concern about errosions of liberty.

An aquaintance of mine was working in a job where he didn't get on very well with his co-workers and was under a lot of pressure. Unsuprisingly he became depressed and eventually approached a psychiatrist who subscribed a course of anti-depressents. It helped a bit, but he still wasn't really happy. Eventually he got another job offer to somewhere else and went. He got on well with others here, it was less stressful etc, and found he no longer needed the pills (unsuprisingly). I find the idea that you treat someone with drugs who is depressed merely because of their situation rather than addressing the cause and how they need to change their situation quite incredible. 

Of course the medical establishment is not the entire driver of this. Friends of mine regularly complain with frustrations about patients who really just need to eat better diets and exercise more being dissatisfied with this advice as they come to a doctor to get some kind of pill. Many of these people go to alternative medicine where they get much the same advice and now following it, because after all this is an alternate treatment not pills, miraculously feel better.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Kim. In some ways I think medicalising everything gives people a sense that they no longer need take personal resposibility for things themselves. Once its a named condition someone else can solve it for you.<br />
You classify a problem as an illness. You treat an illness with drugs. The danger is that illness become associated with your ability to reason there is concern about errosions of liberty.</p>
<p>An aquaintance of mine was working in a job where he didn&#8217;t get on very well with his co-workers and was under a lot of pressure. Unsuprisingly he became depressed and eventually approached a psychiatrist who subscribed a course of anti-depressents. It helped a bit, but he still wasn&#8217;t really happy. Eventually he got another job offer to somewhere else and went. He got on well with others here, it was less stressful etc, and found he no longer needed the pills (unsuprisingly). I find the idea that you treat someone with drugs who is depressed merely because of their situation rather than addressing the cause and how they need to change their situation quite incredible. </p>
<p>Of course the medical establishment is not the entire driver of this. Friends of mine regularly complain with frustrations about patients who really just need to eat better diets and exercise more being dissatisfied with this advice as they come to a doctor to get some kind of pill. Many of these people go to alternative medicine where they get much the same advice and now following it, because after all this is an alternate treatment not pills, miraculously feel better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9705</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9705</guid>
		<description>I'd tip my beret to you too, Liam, if I owned any French headgear. Perhaps I should obtain a cap of liberty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d tip my beret to you too, Liam, if I owned any French headgear. Perhaps I should obtain a cap of liberty?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9704</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9704</guid>
		<description>Well, history and social theory are somewhat different in style, Liam, but equally intellectual I'd say. 

The argument about Curtin was no doubt based on John Edwards' recent bio - one of my last Troppo posts &lt;a href="http://troppoarmadillo.ubersportingpundit.com/archives/008728.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;talked about that point&lt;/a&gt;. And C.L. made some similar points about political leaders last year, but his blog lacks a search button and I couldn't easily find them in the archives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, history and social theory are somewhat different in style, Liam, but equally intellectual I&#8217;d say. </p>
<p>The argument about Curtin was no doubt based on John Edwards&#8217; recent bio - one of my last Troppo posts <a href="http://troppoarmadillo.ubersportingpundit.com/archives/008728.html" rel="nofollow">talked about that point</a>. And C.L. made some similar points about political leaders last year, but his blog lacks a search button and I couldn&#8217;t easily find them in the archives.</p>
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		<title>By: liam hogan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9700</link>
		<dc:creator>liam hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9700</guid>
		<description>I recall an article recently---whose details I've disgracefully neglected---about John Curtin, which argued that although he probably didn't suffer from what psychiatrists would call clinical depression, he nevertheless had a 'melancholic' personality. It was a lightweight Fairfax piece but it got me to thinking.
Isn't the idea of psych as social control that such ordinary things as not feeling too good are medicalised and given names?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall an article recently&#8212;whose details I&#8217;ve disgracefully neglected&#8212;about John Curtin, which argued that although he probably didn&#8217;t suffer from what psychiatrists would call clinical depression, he nevertheless had a &#8216;melancholic&#8217; personality. It was a lightweight Fairfax piece but it got me to thinking.<br />
Isn&#8217;t the idea of psych as social control that such ordinary things as not feeling too good are medicalised and given names?</p>
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		<title>By: liam hogan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9698</link>
		<dc:creator>liam hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9698</guid>
		<description>We're aiming high for your standards, MB, though I think Kim's out-intellectualled me. Kim, I suppose this makes you the &lt;i&gt;Iron Intellectual French&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re aiming high for your standards, MB, though I think Kim&#8217;s out-intellectualled me. Kim, I suppose this makes you the <i>Iron Intellectual French</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9697</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/18/medicalising-prejudice/#comment-9697</guid>
		<description>Yay! The &lt;a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/17/lp-blogextravaganza/" rel="nofollow"&gt;blogextravaganza&lt;/a&gt; goodness is here! After Liam's excellent post, we now have Kim's excellent post. And timed just before BB Uplate! Cool - I can relax and thesify in the knowledge that LP is probably providing better reading matter than I've been able to furnish it with of late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay! The <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/17/lp-blogextravaganza/" rel="nofollow">blogextravaganza</a> goodness is here! After Liam&#8217;s excellent post, we now have Kim&#8217;s excellent post. And timed just before BB Uplate! Cool - I can relax and thesify in the knowledge that LP is probably providing better reading matter than I&#8217;ve been able to furnish it with of late!</p>
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