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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11764</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nelson could never be leader with that tragic haircut. Just sayin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nelson could never be leader with that tragic haircut. Just sayin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11696</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11696</guid>
		<description>Shucks I thought so too Fred.  Christian Kerr at Crikey's squattocracy has a different take:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Leadership tensions are logical for the Liberals at the moment. There's talk the PM might walk next year. Labor is a mess. It's a good time for a transition. Interestingly, Shanahan observed:

&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If there were a challenge to Mr Costello, the crucial votes of the Howard supporters, a big majority within the parliamentary party, could divide the Liberals and destroy the chance of a seamless leadership transition.

Health Minister Tony Abbott, seen as a close Howard supporter, has indicated he will not stand against Mr Costello in the party room.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And Abbott came out yesterday saying that "I've always made it very clear that there's a definite pecking order inside the Liberal Party: John Howard first, Peter Costello second and then a whole lot of other people a long, long way behind."

The health minister has fallen from grace. Yes, he neutralised health as an issue in the lead-up to last year's election --- but only because the prime minister tossed him plenty of dosh. The purse was then snapped shut on his fingers pretty damned hard with the Medicare rebate backflip.

Brendan Nelson gave a seamless presentation to the council on the weekend, but the politest way to describe him is as a pretender.

There might be a simple reason for the backing Downer has received --- and explanation that must count for a lot with the PM.

The foreign minister, very unambiguously, has no Labor links. No past flirtations or consummations. That makes him very different from the other deputy wannabes --- from Abbott and definitely from Nelson. And even from the man who would be king, Peter Costello.Don't know about John going next year. I'm still including Ruddock as the dark horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shucks I thought so too Fred.  Christian Kerr at Crikey&#8217;s squattocracy has a different take:</p>
<blockquote><p>Leadership tensions are logical for the Liberals at the moment. There&#8217;s talk the PM might walk next year. Labor is a mess. It&#8217;s a good time for a transition. Interestingly, Shanahan observed:</p>
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<blockquote><p>If there were a challenge to Mr Costello, the crucial votes of the Howard supporters, a big majority within the parliamentary party, could divide the Liberals and destroy the chance of a seamless leadership transition.</p>
<p>Health Minister Tony Abbott, seen as a close Howard supporter, has indicated he will not stand against Mr Costello in the party room.</p></blockquote>
<p>And Abbott came out yesterday saying that &#8220;I&#8217;ve always made it very clear that there&#8217;s a definite pecking order inside the Liberal Party: John Howard first, Peter Costello second and then a whole lot of other people a long, long way behind.&#8221;</p>
<p>The health minister has fallen from grace. Yes, he neutralised health as an issue in the lead-up to last year&#8217;s election &#8212; but only because the prime minister tossed him plenty of dosh. The purse was then snapped shut on his fingers pretty damned hard with the Medicare rebate backflip.</p>
<p>Brendan Nelson gave a seamless presentation to the council on the weekend, but the politest way to describe him is as a pretender.</p>
<p>There might be a simple reason for the backing Downer has received &#8212; and explanation that must count for a lot with the PM.</p>
<p>The foreign minister, very unambiguously, has no Labor links. No past flirtations or consummations. That makes him very different from the other deputy wannabes &#8212; from Abbott and definitely from Nelson. And even from the man who would be king, Peter Costello.Don&#8217;t know about John going next year. I&#8217;m still including Ruddock as the dark horse.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11695</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11695</guid>
		<description>Shucks I thought so too Fred.  Christian Kerr at Crikey's squattocracy has a different take:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Leadership tensions are logical for the Liberals at the moment. There's talk the PM might walk next year. Labor is a mess. It's a good time for a transition. Interestingly, Shanahan observed:

&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If there were a challenge to Mr Costello, the crucial votes of the Howard supporters, a big majority within the parliamentary party, could divide the Liberals and destroy the chance of a seamless leadership transition.

Health Minister Tony Abbott, seen as a close Howard supporter, has indicated he will not stand against Mr Costello in the party room.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And Abbott came out yesterday saying that "I've always made it very clear that there's a definite pecking order inside the Liberal Party: John Howard first, Peter Costello second and then a whole lot of other people a long, long way behind."

The health minister has fallen from grace. Yes, he neutralised health as an issue in the lead-up to last year's election --- but only because the prime minister tossed him plenty of dosh. The purse was then snapped shut on his fingers pretty damned hard with the Medicare rebate backflip.

Brendan Nelson gave a seamless presentation to the council on the weekend, but the politest way to describe him is as a pretender.

There might be a simple reason for the backing Downer has received --- and explanation that must count for a lot with the PM.

The foreign minister, very unambiguously, has no Labor links. No past flirtations or consummations. That makes him very different from the other deputy wannabes --- from Abbott and definitely from Nelson. And even from the man who would be king, Peter Costello.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shucks I thought so too Fred.  Christian Kerr at Crikey&#8217;s squattocracy has a different take:</p>
<blockquote><p>Leadership tensions are logical for the Liberals at the moment. There&#8217;s talk the PM might walk next year. Labor is a mess. It&#8217;s a good time for a transition. Interestingly, Shanahan observed:</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><p>If there were a challenge to Mr Costello, the crucial votes of the Howard supporters, a big majority within the parliamentary party, could divide the Liberals and destroy the chance of a seamless leadership transition.</p>
<p>Health Minister Tony Abbott, seen as a close Howard supporter, has indicated he will not stand against Mr Costello in the party room.</p></blockquote>
<p>And Abbott came out yesterday saying that &#8220;I&#8217;ve always made it very clear that there&#8217;s a definite pecking order inside the Liberal Party: John Howard first, Peter Costello second and then a whole lot of other people a long, long way behind.&#8221;</p>
<p>The health minister has fallen from grace. Yes, he neutralised health as an issue in the lead-up to last year&#8217;s election &#8212; but only because the prime minister tossed him plenty of dosh. The purse was then snapped shut on his fingers pretty damned hard with the Medicare rebate backflip.</p>
<p>Brendan Nelson gave a seamless presentation to the council on the weekend, but the politest way to describe him is as a pretender.</p>
<p>There might be a simple reason for the backing Downer has received &#8212; and explanation that must count for a lot with the PM.</p>
<p>The foreign minister, very unambiguously, has no Labor links. No past flirtations or consummations. That makes him very different from the other deputy wannabes &#8212; from Abbott and definitely from Nelson. And even from the man who would be king, Peter Costello.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Kelly</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11685</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11685</guid>
		<description>My guess is that the only leadership issue this year will be within the ALP. Rudd is already feeling out the not insubstantial segment that thoroughly despises Beazley. Watch for a spill in September if the 2PP is still even-ish or in favour of the Libs, and if Howard's approval is still 50+.

Beazer looks worse this time round than he did last time, and the party knows it.

Costello as Victorian premier? That's actually one of the better ideas i've heard for a long while. It has struck for a while how easy it would be to become the leader of a coalition state party - they are so utterly devoid of talent. Turnbull could probably be NSW Premier right now if he'd decided on state politics instead of going for the big prize.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that the only leadership issue this year will be within the ALP. Rudd is already feeling out the not insubstantial segment that thoroughly despises Beazley. Watch for a spill in September if the 2PP is still even-ish or in favour of the Libs, and if Howard&#8217;s approval is still 50+.</p>
<p>Beazer looks worse this time round than he did last time, and the party knows it.</p>
<p>Costello as Victorian premier? That&#8217;s actually one of the better ideas i&#8217;ve heard for a long while. It has struck for a while how easy it would be to become the leader of a coalition state party - they are so utterly devoid of talent. Turnbull could probably be NSW Premier right now if he&#8217;d decided on state politics instead of going for the big prize.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11668</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11668</guid>
		<description>No I am not looking or a stoush or winning anything Nic.  Just yarning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I am not looking or a stoush or winning anything Nic.  Just yarning.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic White</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11666</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11666</guid>
		<description>I dont really agree. I think the public make their minds up close to the election. Latham was an exception because he was such a loudmouth when he wasnt leader.

I dont have the brainpower to stoush right now, so you can win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont really agree. I think the public make their minds up close to the election. Latham was an exception because he was such a loudmouth when he wasnt leader.</p>
<p>I dont have the brainpower to stoush right now, so you can win.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11665</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nic some of what you say is right - as I said in the post, leadership talk is just a diversion. But I think people form there opinions over a long time. I certainly think it matters what politicians do two or three years out from an election. It builds their credibility or otherwise, profile, consistency, whatever. People may not remember anything but the most colourful incidents, but they do absorb all of this to formulate an impression. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nic some of what you say is right - as I said in the post, leadership talk is just a diversion. But I think people form there opinions over a long time. I certainly think it matters what politicians do two or three years out from an election. It builds their credibility or otherwise, profile, consistency, whatever. People may not remember anything but the most colourful incidents, but they do absorb all of this to formulate an impression.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic White</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11663</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11663</guid>
		<description>And on Downer - not a chance. My theory is that he is the one they are using to say all the crazy stuff because his reputation is expendable. He just needs to keep stroking the Chinese and delivering orders from Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on Downer - not a chance. My theory is that he is the one they are using to say all the crazy stuff because his reputation is expendable. He just needs to keep stroking the Chinese and delivering orders from Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11662</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11662</guid>
		<description>Homer, I have this theory called "blobbing".

No I don't think Latham should shut up. If he wants to say something and he has a market for what he has to say, go for it. It's a free country. The rest of us will judge it as we judge anything else said in the public sphere. We have lots of ex leaders giving us their pearls of wisdom or not.

Oh and if anyone is interesting is breaking up factions, could you head over to the SA Liberals and the Federal Liberal SA branch. Thank you. Much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer, I have this theory called &#8220;blobbing&#8221;.</p>
<p>No I don&#8217;t think Latham should shut up. If he wants to say something and he has a market for what he has to say, go for it. It&#8217;s a free country. The rest of us will judge it as we judge anything else said in the public sphere. We have lots of ex leaders giving us their pearls of wisdom or not.</p>
<p>Oh and if anyone is interesting is breaking up factions, could you head over to the SA Liberals and the Federal Liberal SA branch. Thank you. Much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic White</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11661</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11661</guid>
		<description>Thing is, the election is over 2 years off. Anything thatt happens between now and late 2006, even early 2007, is completely irrelevant because the electorate wont remember anything. Its all very well to say that Beazley is doing a crap job, but in reality he's just marking time. His only real aim right now is to block stupid policies and think up and discuss new ideas for the election. The public doesnt care, nothing they do now will count on polling day, whats the point? 

Its really not going to get fun until 2007 - I predict political happenings will be mind numbingly boring for most of 2006 after senataphobia has worn off and all the stupid Howard bills are passed, blocked by a miracle and/or Barnaby Joyce, or changed to slightly less lame.

Why else are we obsessed with polls and leadership gossip and speculation? Theres not much else to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, the election is over 2 years off. Anything thatt happens between now and late 2006, even early 2007, is completely irrelevant because the electorate wont remember anything. Its all very well to say that Beazley is doing a crap job, but in reality he&#8217;s just marking time. His only real aim right now is to block stupid policies and think up and discuss new ideas for the election. The public doesnt care, nothing they do now will count on polling day, whats the point? </p>
<p>Its really not going to get fun until 2007 - I predict political happenings will be mind numbingly boring for most of 2006 after senataphobia has worn off and all the stupid Howard bills are passed, blocked by a miracle and/or Barnaby Joyce, or changed to slightly less lame.</p>
<p>Why else are we obsessed with polls and leadership gossip and speculation? Theres not much else to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11644</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11644</guid>
		<description>Which is demonstrated aptly in today's Bully. And what Peter said.

Interesting to see Oakes giving the Beazer a break for once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is demonstrated aptly in today&#8217;s Bully. And what Peter said.</p>
<p>Interesting to see Oakes giving the Beazer a break for once.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kemp</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11628</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11628</guid>
		<description>Like Andrew Peacock, it was an experiment that failed Observa, and like Andrew, Latho should be relaxing about it and watching his version of the  224th rerun of ''Irma La Douce''. He should not be tipping buckets of bilge over those who opposed him. Petulance is not a good motivation for, nor leads to infalliable criticism either,  (notwithstanding the need to draft Beattie or Carr.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Andrew Peacock, it was an experiment that failed Observa, and like Andrew, Latho should be relaxing about it and watching his version of the  224th rerun of &#8221;Irma La Douce&#8221;. He should not be tipping buckets of bilge over those who opposed him. Petulance is not a good motivation for, nor leads to infalliable criticism either,  (notwithstanding the need to draft Beattie or Carr.)</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11627</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11627</guid>
		<description>To rusted on ALP faithful, let me ask you this. If you thought for one minute Mark Latham was the way to lead the party ahead, then surely you and your party have to give his criticisms some credence now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To rusted on ALP faithful, let me ask you this. If you thought for one minute Mark Latham was the way to lead the party ahead, then surely you and your party have to give his criticisms some credence now.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11625</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11625</guid>
		<description>Discussions of Coalition leadership are vacuous under the circumstances. On John Quiggins 'Labor Roots' post I demonstrate why Federal Labor must coopt either Beattie or Carr immediately to the leadership and reform the party root and branch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussions of Coalition leadership are vacuous under the circumstances. On John Quiggins &#8216;Labor Roots&#8217; post I demonstrate why Federal Labor must coopt either Beattie or Carr immediately to the leadership and reform the party root and branch.</p>
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		<title>By: Homer Paxton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11623</link>
		<dc:creator>Homer Paxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11623</guid>
		<description>Saint, 
I am dissappointed you would think howard's dutiful wife would be any different to john.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saint,<br />
I am dissappointed you would think howard&#8217;s dutiful wife would be any different to john.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11622</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11622</guid>
		<description>er..vultures</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>er..vultures</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11621</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/06/29/when-im-64/#comment-11621</guid>
		<description>Rowen, I've long ago said Costello doesn't have the ticker and I agree that he is in a bind. I think if he loses a tilt, he'd probably lose the Deputy Leadership as well, hence the cultures who are circling (Downer, Nelson etc) But I think Nelson would be a real outsider for leadership and probably for deputy as well (Abbott would try for that too I think). If the Libs voted for him, I would be convinced they they had lost their senses.

Homer, Howard AND Janette have no life outside politics. They both breathe it.

EP - the Liberal party doesn't underestimate Downer. I think he is the preferred candidate. The rest of Australia may just think of him as the Liberal's Latham.  Do not try this again at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rowen, I&#8217;ve long ago said Costello doesn&#8217;t have the ticker and I agree that he is in a bind. I think if he loses a tilt, he&#8217;d probably lose the Deputy Leadership as well, hence the cultures who are circling (Downer, Nelson etc) But I think Nelson would be a real outsider for leadership and probably for deputy as well (Abbott would try for that too I think). If the Libs voted for him, I would be convinced they they had lost their senses.</p>
<p>Homer, Howard AND Janette have no life outside politics. They both breathe it.</p>
<p>EP - the Liberal party doesn&#8217;t underestimate Downer. I think he is the preferred candidate. The rest of Australia may just think of him as the Liberal&#8217;s Latham.  Do not try this again at home.</p>
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