Can’t people see that England and Australia are becoming police states and we are letting it happen.

Is this how totaliarian govts get control?

Oh … now more than ever we need a vigilant and questioning press and we just don’t have it.

It should be noted that in the early stages of investigation that the police shot him eight times, seven head/one shoulder and did let him board a bus to the tube.

I am finding it hard to think any trained policeman would shoot at a brazilian whom looks nothing like a Paki, Egyptian et al.
Who has ever heard of a brazilian muslim?

I’ve got guys at work who believe that this shooting was all OK and all the victims fault without them canvassing the greater issues, I’ve pointed out to them the civil rights aspects and a bigger picture and now they are wavering, especially as new info comes to light.

As Liam says. I have found it hard to believe that I have been reading leftist blogs/commenters.

Once again:

“So we‚Äôve come to this. Arguing about the possibilities and justifications the organs of the State might bring to shoot people in the head, innocent or guilty, while they‚Äôre busy running away.
Fantastic. Makes me proud to be a reader.”

You don’t have world-class cities without world class dirt that rubs off on everyone that makes ‘em such cities. Throw some some crazed Irish or Islamic bombers into the mix and who isn’t hustling, strolling and dancing on razorblades?

Fuck it. One bombing there and I’m moving back to London. That’s a city which does its best work on the edge.

a. I suspect its currently under review, despite official ploddisms to the contrary.
b. the episode points to the near futility of policing terrorism that late in the piece (some guy is now on a train, looking like a million other guys on train). This will rarely produce an outcome different to this extra-judicial execution of a bystander. Its got to be intelligence based.

Saint also has a good point about the internal layout of many London houses converted to flats.

Yes, it’s true the Brits are very experienced at dealing with urban terrorism. However suicide bombers are a pretty new thing for them, I suspect a lot of their practical knowledge is being lost through generational change, and I reckon Brit police/domestic security operations at their most effective are quite a different kettle of fish to the Israeli model.

Slightly OT, I was in London last year and ambling down Millionaires Row on beautiful summer’s afternoon (soundtrack courtesy of someone in the Romanian Embassy blasting out Eminem) and there standing in the shade dappled sunlight on this glorious day in one of the world’s most piss elegant streets was an ordinary bobby in helmet and shortsleeves but sporting a bullet-proof vest and submachine gun. I caught his eye and he looked distinctly embarrassed and sorta shuffled around to make the gun look less conspicious.

And now as Liam points out, we’re discussing the pros and cons of woodentops shooting people in the head.

Strange days indeed.

The block of flats contained terrorists. Jean Charles de Menezes leaves the block of flats. As the flats contain terrorists he is followed by plain clothes police because they don’t want him to know he is being followed, for obvious reasons.

His …

A suspected bomber has been shot five times by “plain-clothes police officers” on a London underground train. The suspect was shot after police “pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him.” Basically, the guy was executed before he could possib…