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	<title>Comments on: Chavez Ravine</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/</link>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-18456</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 05:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-18456</guid>
		<description>This album is "Brilliant" (and I rarely say that about anything. I just drove from Houston to Miami and literally listened to "Chavez Ravine" the entire way. It's a sad story beautifully told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This album is &#8220;Brilliant&#8221; (and I rarely say that about anything. I just drove from Houston to Miami and literally listened to &#8220;Chavez Ravine&#8221; the entire way. It&#8217;s a sad story beautifully told.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17708</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 05:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17708</guid>
		<description>Very nice record - listening now.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17598</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 11:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17598</guid>
		<description>Yes, Chinatown's brilliant, Brownie. Watched Two Jakes on video the other night - very disappointing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Chinatown&#8217;s brilliant, Brownie. Watched Two Jakes on video the other night - very disappointing!</p>
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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17588</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17588</guid>
		<description>Thanks Mark, for the link to the LA book. I only see the Raymond Chandler noir LA. and of course ChinaTown (SC: Robert Towne) is THE movie.  The R.Altman Long Goodbye comes in a good second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mark, for the link to the LA book. I only see the Raymond Chandler noir LA. and of course ChinaTown (SC: Robert Towne) is THE movie.  The R.Altman Long Goodbye comes in a good second.</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand Duck</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17456</link>
		<dc:creator>Ampersand Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 02:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17456</guid>
		<description>One of the best things about Ry Cooder is his ability to shift silkily through different types of music and still produce the goods. Thanks for the review. 

I too went to one of those parties on the weekend (hits of the 80s, Norah Jones, something world muzacky) and made my excuses quite quickly from sheer annoyance. I wonder if it was the same party? Naa, probably hundreds of them Australia every saturday night. I don't know why they bother buying cds when the radio is playing exactly the same mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best things about Ry Cooder is his ability to shift silkily through different types of music and still produce the goods. Thanks for the review. </p>
<p>I too went to one of those parties on the weekend (hits of the 80s, Norah Jones, something world muzacky) and made my excuses quite quickly from sheer annoyance. I wonder if it was the same party? Naa, probably hundreds of them Australia every saturday night. I don&#8217;t know why they bother buying cds when the radio is playing exactly the same mix.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17430</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 02:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17430</guid>
		<description>That's true, Amanda.

Houses win &lt;b&gt;no&lt;/b&gt; books are even more disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true, Amanda.</p>
<p>Houses win <b>no</b> books are even more disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17426</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17426</guid>
		<description>Re: taste. We spent most of the weekend downloading tracks to Mr.Kate's new iPod and, dear god, we've got some dreck in our CD collection.

For instance: at one point, I actually purchased a Cafe del Mar album. It had one song on it I really wanted, and the rest was that boring as hell ambient music (circa 1999) that makes me feel like vomiting. We downloaded it by mistake and now we're wondering how to un-load it.

Mr.Kate also has Guns 'n' Roses, purchased a few short weeks ago. Aggagh. He is unperturbed by my horror at this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: taste. We spent most of the weekend downloading tracks to Mr.Kate&#8217;s new iPod and, dear god, we&#8217;ve got some dreck in our CD collection.</p>
<p>For instance: at one point, I actually purchased a Cafe del Mar album. It had one song on it I really wanted, and the rest was that boring as hell ambient music (circa 1999) that makes me feel like vomiting. We downloaded it by mistake and now we&#8217;re wondering how to un-load it.</p>
<p>Mr.Kate also has Guns &#8216;n&#8217; Roses, purchased a few short weeks ago. Aggagh. He is unperturbed by my horror at this.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17410</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17410</guid>
		<description>It's not about taste per se. I just get creeped out by houses with only a dozen cds of popular stuff which you know they just bought for parties.   Also houses with only half a dozen books disturb in the same way.  As Penn and Teller say, everybody got a gris gris. This is mine. 

And I patted you on the &lt;i&gt;head&lt;/i&gt; Mark, not the back (careful not to disturb the tin tin spike.)  If you're going to be an insufferable music poseur, best to be as patronising as possible to pull it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about taste per se. I just get creeped out by houses with only a dozen cds of popular stuff which you know they just bought for parties.   Also houses with only half a dozen books disturb in the same way.  As Penn and Teller say, everybody got a gris gris. This is mine. </p>
<p>And I patted you on the <i>head</i> Mark, not the back (careful not to disturb the tin tin spike.)  If you&#8217;re going to be an insufferable music poseur, best to be as patronising as possible to pull it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17334</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17334</guid>
		<description>I think Amanda has previously patted me on the back for liking Neko Case, Kate!

Album duly purchased, Irant. Will have a listen tomorrow.

Brownie - as a City of Quartz fan, you should read some of his more recent stuff. Also, this is &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1859841759/ref=pd_sbs_b_3/103-3658768-2030259?%5Fencoding=UTF8&#38;v=glance" rel="nofollow"&gt;another good book&lt;/a&gt; on LA urban history and displaced communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Amanda has previously patted me on the back for liking Neko Case, Kate!</p>
<p>Album duly purchased, Irant. Will have a listen tomorrow.</p>
<p>Brownie - as a City of Quartz fan, you should read some of his more recent stuff. Also, this is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1859841759/ref=pd_sbs_b_3/103-3658768-2030259?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;v=glance" rel="nofollow">another good book</a> on LA urban history and displaced communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17324</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17324</guid>
		<description>Ah, music makeovers. I know a few candidates... 

I'm pretty passionate about music but I'm not sure Amanda would like my taste--though we share a love of Johnny Cash, I would think, and possibly an admiration of Ryan Adams and Lucinda Williams. Neko Case also? 

But anyway, I like my alterna-rock and pop, mostly. And I'll have to have a listen to this album, thanks Irant, it sounds wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, music makeovers. I know a few candidates&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty passionate about music but I&#8217;m not sure Amanda would like my taste&#8211;though we share a love of Johnny Cash, I would think, and possibly an admiration of Ryan Adams and Lucinda Williams. Neko Case also? </p>
<p>But anyway, I like my alterna-rock and pop, mostly. And I&#8217;ll have to have a listen to this album, thanks Irant, it sounds wonderful.</p>
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		<title>By: boynton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17323</link>
		<dc:creator>boynton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17323</guid>
		<description>Well I remember buying Bueno Vista on the basis of an &lt;i&gt;Age&lt;/i&gt; review and loved it immediately, so will be looking to do the same here. Sounds great.
Coincidentally read the zoot suit riots link last week while googling &lt;i&gt;Zoot Suit&lt;/i&gt; as sung by the Andrews sisters (which shows you how le tres not cool I am.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I remember buying Bueno Vista on the basis of an <i>Age</i> review and loved it immediately, so will be looking to do the same here. Sounds great.<br />
Coincidentally read the zoot suit riots link last week while googling <i>Zoot Suit</i> as sung by the Andrews sisters (which shows you how le tres not cool I am.)</p>
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		<title>By: Irant</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17319</link>
		<dc:creator>Irant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17319</guid>
		<description>Arrrgh. I had forgot about that album. Must cleanse ears. 

I readily admit that I have a musical elitist snob mode. I have often gone through friends CDs explaining why they should not have certain CDs in their collection. Then I am forever banned going through their collection again. 

I actually went through a Pink Floyd/Eagles period in my first year at Uni. Have not listened to either since then. 

For rock and soul covers, check out &lt;a href="http://www.motorcityrocks.com/cobras.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Detroit Cobras&lt;/a&gt;. They only do covers yet sound quite original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrrgh. I had forgot about that album. Must cleanse ears. </p>
<p>I readily admit that I have a musical elitist snob mode. I have often gone through friends CDs explaining why they should not have certain CDs in their collection. Then I am forever banned going through their collection again. </p>
<p>I actually went through a Pink Floyd/Eagles period in my first year at Uni. Have not listened to either since then. </p>
<p>For rock and soul covers, check out <a href="http://www.motorcityrocks.com/cobras.htm" rel="nofollow">The Detroit Cobras</a>. They only do covers yet sound quite original.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17306</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17306</guid>
		<description>ranty - I agree some could use a music makeover (Homer P. comes to mind) but despite my sharp tongue I'm actually pretty bloody tolerant of a wide range of music taste. I just can't stand idiots. I especially can't stand people who spend a shitload of $ on expensive hi-fi (audiphools) and rave on about their favourite music - which usually consists of a few Eagles CDs, Dark Side of The Moon (all the re-issues) plus Dire Straits (usually Brothers in Arms), with the odd Sade or Eric Clapton thrown in. It's all too common and just another bit of evidence of how this once great country is going down the shute.

A special place in my hell is reserved for those who own a copy of Barnsey's "Soul" Album. Jesus wept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ranty - I agree some could use a music makeover (Homer P. comes to mind) but despite my sharp tongue I&#8217;m actually pretty bloody tolerant of a wide range of music taste. I just can&#8217;t stand idiots. I especially can&#8217;t stand people who spend a shitload of $ on expensive hi-fi (audiphools) and rave on about their favourite music - which usually consists of a few Eagles CDs, Dark Side of The Moon (all the re-issues) plus Dire Straits (usually Brothers in Arms), with the odd Sade or Eric Clapton thrown in. It&#8217;s all too common and just another bit of evidence of how this once great country is going down the shute.</p>
<p>A special place in my hell is reserved for those who own a copy of Barnsey&#8217;s &#8220;Soul&#8221; Album. Jesus wept.</p>
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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17277</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17277</guid>
		<description>I have City Of Quartz and re-read it annually.
I have visited Los Angeles many times - done the all-night Thingo des Muertos in East LA, been mugged by neegroes down on Western Avenue while trying to be the only white person at the Tiki Club for Little Milton.
I spent 2 weeks in the Polanski suite 58B at The Chateau Marmont in 1990, gazing down on the 2 meter Bullwinkle - holding - Rocky statue at jay Ward Sudios opposite, and I got a bus down to Santa Monica once and met a maid going to work in Holmby Hills who said 'oh you are from Australia-my brother lives in Sydney'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have City Of Quartz and re-read it annually.<br />
I have visited Los Angeles many times - done the all-night Thingo des Muertos in East LA, been mugged by neegroes down on Western Avenue while trying to be the only white person at the Tiki Club for Little Milton.<br />
I spent 2 weeks in the Polanski suite 58B at The Chateau Marmont in 1990, gazing down on the 2 meter Bullwinkle - holding - Rocky statue at jay Ward Sudios opposite, and I got a bus down to Santa Monica once and met a maid going to work in Holmby Hills who said &#8216;oh you are from Australia-my brother lives in Sydney&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Irant</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17264</link>
		<dc:creator>Irant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17264</guid>
		<description>Excellent Mark! And thanks for the book tip.
 
Amanda, I think there needs to be a music makeover show. The hosts go into some unsuspecting peron's home, totally trash their CD collection, humilate then for their taste and then replace it with cool approved grooves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent Mark! And thanks for the book tip.</p>
<p>Amanda, I think there needs to be a music makeover show. The hosts go into some unsuspecting peron&#8217;s home, totally trash their CD collection, humilate then for their taste and then replace it with cool approved grooves.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17263</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17263</guid>
		<description>I'm going into town, and will buy the album!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going into town, and will buy the album!</p>
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		<title>By: Irant</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17262</link>
		<dc:creator>Irant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17262</guid>
		<description>I didn't know of the use of emninent domain in regards to the Pittsburgh Steelworkers. However its use seems to provoke controvery more often that not. &lt;a href="http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-108.ZS.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kelo v New London&lt;/a&gt; is the most recent example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know of the use of emninent domain in regards to the Pittsburgh Steelworkers. However its use seems to provoke controvery more often that not. <a href="http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-108.ZS.html" rel="nofollow">Kelo v New London</a> is the most recent example.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17260</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17260</guid>
		<description>Nice post, Irant.

You may be interested in Mike Davis' great book on LA, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679738061/qid=1122774436/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/103-3658768-2030259" rel="nofollow"&gt;City of Quartz&lt;/a&gt; in this connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Irant.</p>
<p>You may be interested in Mike Davis&#8217; great book on LA, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679738061/qid=1122774436/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/103-3658768-2030259" rel="nofollow">City of Quartz</a> in this connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Irant</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17259</link>
		<dc:creator>Irant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17259</guid>
		<description>Brownie, 

The arichtect I've seen most mentioned in connection with Chavez Ravine was on Richard Neutra. He was to design the original project that never was built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brownie, </p>
<p>The arichtect I&#8217;ve seen most mentioned in connection with Chavez Ravine was on Richard Neutra. He was to design the original project that never was built.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17246</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/07/30/chavez-ravine/#comment-17246</guid>
		<description>Thank you Irant for bringing real music to LP. Homer's love of blues notwithstanding. 

I should buy this album. I have heard a few songs -- those that are *cough*publically available*cough* and I love them.    I find ry quite hard to get a grip on, onee every album he seems to have a new perona or style, I really need to sit down and deliberately take stock. 

 I was at a party tonight, the hosts had about two dozen CDs and the best one among them was Buena Vista Social Club which is just a bit tres, tres cool for me.  It was one of those pathetic CD "collections", you know the type, which had one from each genre represented on FM breakfast radio. One Dr Dre, one Norah Jones, one Cafe del Mar, one Abba best of,  one Ministry of Sound , one pseudo funky world muzak thing. Meticulously compiled to be played &lt;i&gt;in the background&lt;/i&gt; and never actually &lt;i&gt;listened to.&lt;/i&gt;  Anyhoo, I should go to bed and stop insulting my hosts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Irant for bringing real music to LP. Homer&#8217;s love of blues notwithstanding. </p>
<p>I should buy this album. I have heard a few songs &#8212; those that are *cough*publically available*cough* and I love them.    I find ry quite hard to get a grip on, onee every album he seems to have a new perona or style, I really need to sit down and deliberately take stock. </p>
<p> I was at a party tonight, the hosts had about two dozen CDs and the best one among them was Buena Vista Social Club which is just a bit tres, tres cool for me.  It was one of those pathetic CD &#8220;collections&#8221;, you know the type, which had one from each genre represented on FM breakfast radio. One Dr Dre, one Norah Jones, one Cafe del Mar, one Abba best of,  one Ministry of Sound , one pseudo funky world muzak thing. Meticulously compiled to be played <i>in the background</i> and never actually <i>listened to.</i>  Anyhoo, I should go to bed and stop insulting my hosts!</p>
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