Faith makes you a Christian, but good works makes you a good Christian.

And you’ve presumably heard of poofter-bashing and torture victim, Anwar Ibrahim. What about last week’s Islamic decree in Indonesia against Muslims marrying non-Muslims?

Anwar Ibrahim was the victim of a vicious smear campaign by those in power at the time. He is free, and has given speeches here in Sydney, Australia. He is doing a lot of work at the grass-roots level, and still maintains a lot of support from the Malaysian people.

Which part of Indonesia are we talking about? Some of my best friends here are non-Muslim, from Muslim familes. Some are actively Christian - becoming Christian in Indonesia with a Muslim family. Some are/have intermarried between religions with no problems.

We have to remember that there are extremist groups rife in Indonesia and Malaysia - but they are confined to certain areas of the respective countries. Many other Muslim scholars have actively fought against their views.

Nah, I’m going to ignore it. Really what I should have done in the first place, but Allah loves a trier.

No doubt you will find some personal defect in me to rebut my opinion.

Joseph Lumbard, an American Muslim and special advisor to Jordan’s King Abdullah on interfaith affairs, insists that addressing the religious factors is the most important way to uproot violence by simply referring to only one thing: Islam.
    
¬†¬†¬†¬†”It is clearly unacceptable in Islam’s dictates of law to kill non-combatants,” he said, adding that the fatwa issued by the scholars in Amman might “put doubt in the minds” of militants that listen to the edicts issued by those going against the dictates of Islamic law.
    
¬†¬†¬†¬†He told journalists the conference and the final fatwa (statement) was “just a first step…the religious component needs to be addressed on a religious basis, and this is what this conference is doing.”
    
¬†¬†¬†¬†But Lumbard acknowledged that more work and effort needed to be made on all fronts — political, social and economic — and to combine all these efforts to address the totality of the problem of violence.

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050706-015513-7757r

RWDB play #2743, I believe.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=82875A2E5E28FB7880256FF70042A155

He is also the cleric whose is facing deportation from the UK. His political/religious group the “Muslim Brotherhood” has been banned from Egypt (along with his preaching),and he is banned from the US for praising palestinian suicide bombers as “martydom of acts of God”

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/43397.html

In light of his and others’ history its hard to see how the Jordan Statement carries any integrity.

Martydom, jihad and other variations of the theme all form part of the “articles of religion” in both Sunni and Shia streams.

Under whose interpretation, yours?

Moderate muslims take a stand against terrorism and this is your response. Good going, buddy.

Source: Amnesty International http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=82875A2E5E28FB7880256FF70042A155

Debkafile report that “In new fatwa marking Israel‚Äôs pull-back, senior Egyptian imam Tantawi rules: no Muslim fighter who blows himself up may be declared a martyr or reach Paradise — unless he fights in Palestine.

DEBKAfile’s military sources: No Egyptian-Israeli breakthrough on Philadelphi.

August 1, 2005, 10:58 PM (GMT+02:00)

Sheikh Said Tantawi of the Azhar religious center is Egypt’s senior religious authority and a close associate of president Hosni Mubarak. DEBKAfile’s military sources reveal that the new radical Islamic decree issued by an influential Egyptian figure to justify Palestinian terror shocked Israel’s high command.

Our sources affirm that nothing was finalized in Maj-Gen. Amos Gilead’s talks in Cairo Monday, August 1, for Egyptian border police to be deployed on the Philadelphi strip in place of Israel units. Cairo is still trying to use Israel’s disengagement from Gaza as a lever to bring its troops close up to the Egyptian-Israel border on other sectors too.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=445

Political Islamists show no sign of letting up

Martydom, jihad and other variations of the theme all form part of the “articles of religion” in both Sunni and Shia streams.

CL, I was making the point, perhaps not so well, that not only do you fail to differentiate between the beliefs/actions of Islamic believers all over BUT you also fail to differentiate between Islamic nations. You are therefore consistent on that score.

In the one sentence, you accuse Indonesia of the same stuff that Iran does. Other people read this site as sources of information, so your explicit statements effectively ”tarring with the same brush” should not be allowed through to the wicketkeeper. I am not implying that Iranians or others are incapable of human rights abuses, Indonesia is (relative to Iran), a secular society, tolerates many religions and has many blemishes, many of which I have personally experienced. But they don’t execute gays.

It would help if you differentiated occasionally instead of grossly generalising.