Comments on: Brogden attempts suicide http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:12:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Tony http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23642 Tony Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:26:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23642 Yes, he was obviously thinking a lot of the others around him, particularly his wife. "John, John, can you hear me - there ARE other people in the world apart from you. John, John..." And that's pretty bloody heartless too, Jason, but what a selfish, egotistical wanker. Yes, he was obviously thinking a lot of the others around him, particularly his wife. “John, John, can you hear me - there ARE other people in the world apart from you. John, John…” And that’s pretty bloody heartless too, Jason, but what a selfish, egotistical wanker.

]]> By: nailpolishblues http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23637 nailpolishblues Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:14:56 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23637 Maybe home would have meant certain death at the hands of his wife - for being such a prat. Maybe home would have meant certain death at the hands of his wife - for being such a prat.

]]> By: nailpolishblues http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23404 nailpolishblues Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:06:04 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23404 Political stunt, anyone? Very political stunt. In his electorate office. Then again, this man is going to go through the rest of his life looking like a complete idiot [more so after the parasuicide]. He has no credibility left. Almost enough to make one believe that it was genuine. Hard to believe, though, given that he is a politician. Can't wait for his autobiography. Oh and Jason - no-one said he deserves to die, no-one else tried to kill him. He allegedly tried to kill himself. It'd be difficult to find anyone who felt that his actions, pathetic as they were, were worth his life. Political stunt, anyone? Very political stunt. In his electorate office.
Then again, this man is going to go through the rest of his life looking like a complete idiot [more so after the parasuicide]. He has no credibility left. Almost enough to make one believe that it was genuine. Hard to believe, though, given that he is a politician. Can’t wait for his autobiography.

Oh and Jason - no-one said he deserves to die, no-one else tried to kill him. He allegedly tried to kill himself. It’d be difficult to find anyone who felt that his actions, pathetic as they were, were worth his life.

]]> By: Jason Soon http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23314 Jason Soon Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:08:09 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23314 oh for chrissake crystal ballroom, that's heartless firstly that's a painful way to die and there's no guarantee you would that way either. you might just end up paralysed and costing your family more. secondly no one deserves to die for making a bigoted remark and being sleazy. my feeling was that the suicide was partly a cry for help and subconsciously may not have been intended to succeed. oh for chrissake crystal ballroom, that’s heartless
firstly that’s a painful way to die and there’s no guarantee you would that way either. you might just end up paralysed and costing your family more.
secondly no one deserves to die for making a bigoted remark and being sleazy. my feeling was that the suicide was partly a cry for help and subconsciously may not have been intended to succeed.

]]> By: Crystal Ballroom http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23312 Crystal Ballroom Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:57:23 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23312 Suicide 101. Single car collides with large tree on secondary road. Wife gets Superannuation and insurance, little boy does not have to grow up with wrists story. That this method was not applied, indicates selfishness and cowardice and shows the man does not have qualities required for decent leadership of anything. Suicide 101.
Single car collides with large tree on secondary road. Wife gets Superannuation and insurance, little boy does not have to grow up with wrists story.
That this method was not applied, indicates selfishness and cowardice and shows the man does not have qualities required for decent leadership of anything.

]]> By: Ultras Sydney http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23121 Ultras Sydney Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:16:16 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23121 I think the 'hounding' press thing is a smokescreen - an externalisation of the problem... When the shit hit the fan initially Brogden said that the source of the leak (to the press) 'had better take a long hard look at himself.' Later when Brogden tried to top himself and failed (the classic cry for help I guess), his colleagues suggested that the 'hounding' press 'better take a long hard look at themselves.' Yeah whatever. Self criticism and the press? Great. But not for hounding Broggers...for letting us get into the war in Iraq maybe. For letting the Solon saga and other immigration fuck ups like it happen and continue unnoticed for so long. But for hounding Brogden? Give me a break - he's a big boy. Miranda Devine actually writes a not bad article defending the press's handling of the situation today in the smh. http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/first-stumble-from-the-next-in-line/2005/08/31/1125302626091.html But my point remains this: It is Brogden who should take a hard look at himself. And no, we haven't heard enough on this. Broggers needs to take stock and think hard about how he can change from being the sort of unreconstructed Anglo bigot that his tip-of-the-iceberg comment revealed him to be. Not to mention the dodgy sexual harrassment stuff as well... The distasteful remark about Carr's wife sent a strong message that many migrants would have certainly reacted to with a laconic shrug of the shoulders. Why? Because it confirms what they (Asians and Mid-Easterners especially) already know...that in the very top ranks of the political establishment in this country there are still prevailing, deep rooted, fixed ideas that belong to the white Australia era. I'm not suggesting Adolf Hitleresque stuff - just an intransigent, unaware, un self conscious, illconsidered, lazy attitude that Australian identity is and always will be primarily and preferrably Anglosaxon (by this term I mean a murky blend of both essentialist ethnic notions and English language bias)...DESPITE THE YEARS OF MULTICULTURAL RHETORIC. Maybe that rhetoric was a smokescreen anyway...how many 'non-Anglos' have effectively assimilate as they rise through the ranks of Australia's cultural and political institutions? How many others don't even consider trying to get through the door? I think the ‘hounding’ press thing is a smokescreen - an externalisation of the problem…

When the shit hit the fan initially Brogden said that the source of the leak (to the press) ‘had better take a long hard look at himself.’ Later when Brogden tried to top himself and failed (the classic cry for help I guess), his colleagues suggested that the ‘hounding’ press ‘better take a long hard look at themselves.’

Yeah whatever. Self criticism and the press? Great. But not for hounding Broggers…for letting us get into the war in Iraq maybe. For letting the Solon saga and other immigration fuck ups like it happen and continue unnoticed for so long. But for hounding Brogden? Give me a break - he’s a big boy.

Miranda Devine actually writes a not bad article defending the press’s handling of the situation today in the smh.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/first-stumble-from-the-next-in-line/2005/08/31/1125302626091.html

But my point remains this:

It is Brogden who should take a hard look at himself. And no, we haven’t heard enough on this.

Broggers needs to take stock and think hard about how he can change from being the sort of unreconstructed Anglo bigot that his tip-of-the-iceberg comment revealed him to be. Not to mention the dodgy sexual harrassment stuff as well…

The distasteful remark about Carr’s wife sent a strong message that many migrants would have certainly reacted to with a laconic shrug of the shoulders. Why? Because it confirms what they (Asians and Mid-Easterners especially) already know…that in the very top ranks of the political establishment in this country there are still prevailing, deep rooted, fixed ideas that belong to the white Australia era.

I’m not suggesting Adolf Hitleresque stuff - just an intransigent, unaware, un self conscious, illconsidered, lazy attitude that Australian identity is and always will be primarily and preferrably Anglosaxon (by this term I mean a murky blend of both essentialist ethnic notions and English language bias)…DESPITE THE YEARS OF MULTICULTURAL RHETORIC.

Maybe that rhetoric was a smokescreen anyway…how many ‘non-Anglos’ have effectively assimilate as they rise through the ranks of Australia’s cultural and political institutions?

How many others don’t even consider trying to get through the door?

]]> By: Andrew Bartlett http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23114 Andrew Bartlett Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:33:47 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23114 <strong>John Brogden</strong> I believe the trouble isn’t so much getting the judgement wrong on whether something should be reported – there will never be a cut and dried answer about where the line is - it’s that people seem incapable of keeping things in pers... John Brogden

I believe the trouble isn’t so much getting the judgement wrong on whether something should be reported – there will never be a cut and dried answer about where the line is - it’s that people seem incapable of keeping things in pers…

]]> By: Homer Paxton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23108 Homer Paxton Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:08:09 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23108 john Gorton and Keith Miller were very simialr except Nugget didn't get as drunk as much. Their war experiences were the reason for their attitude to life. gorton was a hopeless PM because of it. john Gorton and Keith Miller were very simialr except Nugget didn’t get as drunk as much.
Their war experiences were the reason for their attitude to life.

gorton was a hopeless PM because of it.

]]> By: Lefty Elitist http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23022 Lefty Elitist Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:31:21 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23022 Is this root off the record? Is this root off the record?

]]> By: Nabakov http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23018 Nabakov Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:21:43 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23018 It's the pointy German helment Mark that turns the tide in men's affairs. It’s the pointy German helment Mark that turns the tide in men’s affairs.

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23017 Mark Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:18:36 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23017 Lefty E, have you been taking advantage of Nabs' pick up line consultancy services? Lefty E, have you been taking advantage of Nabs’ pick up line consultancy services?

]]> By: Nabakov http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23010 Nabakov Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:09:03 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23010 Let's face it, it's still <a href="http://www.supermasterpiece.com/music/oops.html" rel="nofollow">the same old song</a> all over again. Let’s face it, it’s still the same old song all over again.

]]> By: Geoff Honnor http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23008 Geoff Honnor Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:03:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23008 John Gorton was a thoroughly decent guy unlike that craven, pompous, big white bwana, squattocratic toady, Fraser. And Gorton would never have hesitated for a moment in owning personal reponsibility for being trouserless in Memphis. I preferred Jeff Kennett when he was an arrogant egomaniac. This strange amalgam of Eddie McGuire, Dame Edna and Mum Shirl that he's currently channelling is enough to make you reach for the SSRI's. John Gorton was a thoroughly decent guy unlike that craven, pompous, big white bwana, squattocratic toady, Fraser. And Gorton would never have hesitated for a moment in owning personal reponsibility for being trouserless in Memphis.

I preferred Jeff Kennett when he was an arrogant egomaniac. This strange amalgam of Eddie McGuire, Dame Edna and Mum Shirl that he’s currently channelling is
enough to make you reach for the SSRI’s.

]]> By: Lefty Elitist http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23006 Lefty Elitist Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:55:54 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23006 Larado, it was the way he went about that enraged we nay-saying, inner-city leftoids. "Are you available?" wuz too old skool, MOR cock- rock for us. Something more transurban hip-hop, like "Yo, I'm da venue, you're da menu" would have been dope. Larado, it was the way he went about that enraged we nay-saying, inner-city leftoids.

“Are you available?” wuz too old skool, MOR cock- rock for us.

Something more transurban hip-hop, like “Yo, I’m da venue, you’re da menu” would have been dope.

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23003 Mark Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:50:05 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23003 Yes, Gorton was an appealing character. Yes, Gorton was an appealing character.

]]> By: C.L. http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23000 C.L. Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:44:19 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-23000 The point is Gorton had stared death in the dial more than once. After that, Canberra's up-itself shenanigans didn't really rate on his measure of what made life worth living. The point is Gorton had stared death in the dial more than once. After that, Canberra’s up-itself shenanigans didn’t really rate on his measure of what made life worth living.

]]> By: Larado http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-22996 Larado Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:37:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-22996 Hey have we taken that Brogden fellow out and shot him yet.I mean fancy asking for a root.Its sounds like the modern party is getting just a tad dangerous.Lucky I dont get out much. Hey have we taken that Brogden fellow out and shot him yet.I mean fancy asking for a root.Its sounds like the modern party is getting just a tad dangerous.Lucky I dont get out much.

]]> By: Peter Kemp http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-22991 Peter Kemp Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:29 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-22991 Agreed ,--- he was humane, with flaws. Better than some so called liberals we know. Agreed ,— he was humane, with flaws. Better than some so called liberals we know.

]]> By: Nabakov http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-22989 Nabakov Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:50:21 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-22989 I never said Gorty was a good PM, just my favourite human being who ever held the job in Australia. I never said Gorty was a good PM, just my favourite human being who ever held the job in Australia.

]]> By: Peter Kemp http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-22986 Peter Kemp Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:42:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/08/31/brogden-attempts-suicide/#comment-22986 Yeah Nabs, the guy who didn't hang on in the face of rebellion by his colleagues and used his casting vote against himself. Giving us that useless McMahon. The Gort went on to make whisky ads, a far more honest profession with built in stress relief. Yeah Nabs, the guy who didn’t hang on in the face of rebellion by his colleagues and used his casting vote against himself. Giving us that useless McMahon. The Gort went on to make whisky ads, a far more honest profession with built in stress relief.

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