Comments on: How to stuff up a wild bikini http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:17:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Karen http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-361174 Karen Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:37:53 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-361174 Public beaches are all well and good, until you see the amount of pollution, debris, and litter left by people who apparently don't give a damn about the ecosystems and environment they're hurting. There's not a way to just set up "security surveillance cameras" to see people who are doing it, and to fine them...it's a public beach, remember? Who wants to be watched while you're supposed to be "getting away" from constant scrutiny? If there were a way to set up recycling/trash cans, and have people or organizations "adopt" an area to clean, and to fine those found littering (if the government could pay for a security guard nearby with the tax money we're already contributing), then I think that would be a solution....rather than turning it over to privatised corporations who may lay down concrete, commercial advertisement, or charge money to visit. Public beaches are all well and good, until you see the amount of pollution, debris, and litter left by people who apparently don’t give a damn about the ecosystems and environment they’re hurting. There’s not a way to just set up “security surveillance cameras” to see people who are doing it, and to fine them…it’s a public beach, remember? Who wants to be watched while you’re supposed to be “getting away” from constant scrutiny? If there were a way to set up recycling/trash cans, and have people or organizations “adopt” an area to clean, and to fine those found littering (if the government could pay for a security guard nearby with the tax money we’re already contributing), then I think that would be a solution….rather than turning it over to privatised corporations who may lay down concrete, commercial advertisement, or charge money to visit.

]]> By: wbb http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29246 wbb Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:14:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29246 mick - it's hated in Old Europe, however in the recently freed democracies of New Europe, it will be adopted enthusiastically. And private beaches are not new in Australia. Lindsay Fox has free-holded a nice patch of sand down Portsea way. There were no objections. The environmental benefits are also not to be sneezed at. Presently the well-heeled are forced to fly to Port Douglas etc in order to gain access to well kept beaches. If the landlocked burghers of Toorak were allowed the use of one or two of the nicer beaches within motoring distance, then the ozone layer would be the winner. This is simply a question of whether the people are willing to share with the rich. I believe they are. Of course those on the left take a more insulting view of the working class and believe they will fight tooth and nail for exclusive control of every last beach in the country.<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -10 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --> mick - it’s hated in Old Europe, however in the recently freed democracies of New Europe, it will be adopted enthusiastically. And private beaches are not new in Australia. Lindsay Fox has free-holded a nice patch of sand down Portsea way. There were no objections.

The environmental benefits are also not to be sneezed at. Presently the well-heeled are forced to fly to Port Douglas etc in order to gain access to well kept beaches. If the landlocked burghers of Toorak were allowed the use of one or two of the nicer beaches within motoring distance, then the ozone layer would be the winner.

This is simply a question of whether the people are willing to share with the rich. I believe they are. Of course those on the left take a more insulting view of the working class and believe they will fight tooth and nail for exclusive control of every last beach in the country.

]]> By: Phil Gomes http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29120 Phil Gomes Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:15:21 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29120 Clearly the peasants don't pay enough eh Babs? I guess leather bound deckchairs are in order. Clearly the peasants don’t pay enough eh Babs? I guess leather bound deckchairs are in order.

]]> By: mick http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29119 mick Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:15:17 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29119 wbb - Why exactly should film companies and the like be allowed to "negotiate sensible arrangements with private interests" over the use of public land? It's our land, why should we have to just hand it over to the business community so that they can make a few extra dollars? It's true that they do this all over Europe, and it's largely hated by most people. Most Europeans I have met love being able to come to Australia and not have to pay for the "priviledge" of going to the beach. They think it says a lot about the good nature of Australian people. Why take that away for a few extra quid? wbb - Why exactly should film companies and the like be allowed to “negotiate sensible arrangements with private interests” over the use of public land? It’s our land, why should we have to just hand it over to the business community so that they can make a few extra dollars?

It’s true that they do this all over Europe, and it’s largely hated by most people. Most Europeans I have met love being able to come to Australia and not have to pay for the “priviledge” of going to the beach. They think it says a lot about the good nature of Australian people. Why take that away for a few extra quid?

]]> By: cs http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29110 cs Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:41:41 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29110 As I had my yearly argument with the Baboon last week, I'll leave it to others to explain why establishing a class structure on Australian beaches is not exactly egalitarian, with or without trickle down economics.<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -10 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --> As I had my yearly argument with the Baboon last week, I’ll leave it to others to explain why establishing a class structure on Australian beaches is not exactly egalitarian, with or without trickle down economics.

]]> By: wbb http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29097 wbb Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:31:46 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29097 I dunno. It's quite common in Europe. And there's plenty of sand girting Australia. I think a two-tier system is actually quite egalitarian. Those who can afford to pay for extra services and less noise and general unkemptness will be subsidising the rest. Win, win. It will also enable film companies and the like to negotiate sensible arrangements with private interests rather than having to deal with councils and the attendant democratic morass. And on members only beaches, smoking could be allowed. In contrast to the nanny state public beaches (ugh!). Where apparently it's just fine to leave a nappy lying around but a bloke can't enjoy a fine panatella as the sun sets bloody red in the sea. As he regards from not too afar the pleasures of lost youth.<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -10 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --> I dunno. It’s quite common in Europe. And there’s plenty of sand girting Australia. I think a two-tier system is actually quite egalitarian. Those who can afford to pay for extra services and less noise and general unkemptness will be subsidising the rest. Win, win.

It will also enable film companies and the like to negotiate sensible arrangements with private interests rather than having to deal with councils and the attendant democratic morass.

And on members only beaches, smoking could be allowed. In contrast to the nanny state public beaches (ugh!). Where apparently it’s just fine to leave a nappy lying around but a bloke can’t enjoy a fine panatella as the sun sets bloody red in the sea. As he regards from not too afar the pleasures of lost youth.

]]> By: G http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29017 G Wed, 28 Sep 2005 02:38:04 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-29017 This ties in with a similar problem in the eastern suburbs , where commercial fitness camps mark out parts of beaches and parks and then claiming exclusive use of those areas. In some cases they have been aggressive about preventing local residents from using those areas. Interestingly, Waverley and Randwick Councils have started clamping down on this. This ties in with a similar problem in the eastern suburbs , where commercial fitness camps mark out parts of beaches and parks and then claiming exclusive use of those areas. In some cases they have been aggressive about preventing local residents from using those areas.

Interestingly, Waverley and Randwick Councils have started clamping down on this.

]]> By: cs http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28951 cs Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:14:11 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28951 Yep Ron, I was a local at the Bra for 12 years. Used to love that north end in Winter.<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -10 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: crap flooding, 3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --> Yep Ron, I was a local at the Bra for 12 years. Used to love that north end in Winter.

]]> By: Ampersand Duck http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28937 Ampersand Duck Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:51:30 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28937 I"m with Andrew on this -- the only thing worse than finding a cigarette butt on the beach is finding a dog turd (or, for that matter, a needle). I”m with Andrew on this — the only thing worse than finding a cigarette butt on the beach is finding a dog turd (or, for that matter, a needle).

]]> By: Georg http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28919 Georg Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:42:07 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28919 As an ex Coogee resident I find this idea appalling. Coogee is still my favourite beach (and coming from a Far North Coast girl this is high praise) and to think part of it would be shut off so someone can make a quick buck is nothing less than disgusting. I think a bikini protest is in order, stretch marks and all. As an ex Coogee resident I find this idea appalling. Coogee is still my favourite beach (and coming from a Far North Coast girl this is high praise) and to think part of it would be shut off so someone can make a quick buck is nothing less than disgusting. I think a bikini protest is in order, stretch marks and all.

]]> By: Ron http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28907 Ron Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:37:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28907 You're a Maroubra boy, Chris? So am I since '48 although I am now living in the Blue Mountains. Swam at Clovelly EVERY day except Christmas Day for 30 odd years with one of the best men I've ever known - swim coach Tom Caddy. You’re a Maroubra boy, Chris? So am I since ‘48 although I am now living in the Blue Mountains. Swam at Clovelly EVERY day except Christmas Day for 30 odd years with one of the best men I’ve ever known - swim coach Tom Caddy.

]]> By: cs http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28856 cs Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:22:34 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28856 Yes, a shocker - a direct attack on the meaning of Australia. And I suspect the Bra Boys will make short work of any extensions of this idea to my old home beach.<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -10 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: crap flooding, 3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --> Yes, a shocker - a direct attack on the meaning of Australia. And I suspect the Bra Boys will make short work of any extensions of this idea to my old home beach.

]]> By: suzoz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28774 suzoz Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:48:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28774 Clovelly's one of my fave beaches but it has been becoming more commercialised and cleaned up in recent years and they put a huge pile of concrete all over it last summer in a piece of environmental vandalism ... it looks like it's all downhill from here. Clovelly’s one of my fave beaches but it has been becoming more commercialised and cleaned up in recent years and they put a huge pile of concrete all over it last summer in a piece of environmental vandalism … it looks like it’s all downhill from here.

]]> By: Brian Bahnisch http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28765 Brian Bahnisch Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:39:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28765 Should be a law against it! Should be a law against it!

]]> By: Nabakov http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28764 Nabakov Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:38:38 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28764 I'd like to stuff an idiot Mayor, with sea stingers inserted with sharkskin gloves. Goofing around without money or responsibility where the land meets the sand is what made so much of this place what we like. I’d like to stuff an idiot Mayor, with sea stingers inserted with sharkskin gloves. Goofing around without money or responsibility where the land meets the sand is what made so much of this place what we like.

]]> By: flute http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28763 flute Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:36:45 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28763 I don't know where to start on this one. Gobsmacked.<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -10 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: crap flooding, 3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --> I don’t know where to start on this one. Gobsmacked.

]]> By: Andrew Frazer http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28761 Andrew Frazer Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:35:12 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28761 Sorry but banning smoking on the beach is a Good Thing. Smoking wouldn't be <i>such</i> a Bad Thing at the beach if smokers actually took their butts away with them. But if it was up to me smoking would be banned everywhere. Conspicuous consumption of Pinot Noir would be compulsory. This proposal, OTOH, absolutely sucks. Sorry but banning smoking on the beach is a Good Thing. Smoking wouldn’t be such a Bad Thing at the beach if smokers actually took their butts away with them. But if it was up to me smoking would be banned everywhere. Conspicuous consumption of Pinot Noir would be compulsory.

This proposal, OTOH, absolutely sucks.

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28760 Kim Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:32:39 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28760 Agreed! Seriously, any incursion on the commons is to be deplored. Agreed!

Seriously, any incursion on the commons is to be deplored.

]]> By: mick http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28746 mick Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:24:38 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28746 Urgh! That's so stupid! I hope the people of Randwick get in their council's face about this! Urgh! That’s so stupid! I hope the people of Randwick get in their council’s face about this!

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28745 Kim Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:24:02 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2005/09/27/how-to-stuff-up-a-wild-bikini/#comment-28745 And semi-nakedness is as good as it gets on Australian beaches. Whereas... in Sweden... And semi-nakedness is as good as it gets on Australian beaches. Whereas… in Sweden…

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