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	<title>Comments on: Approved Imams</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
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		<title>By: FaceLift</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46375</link>
		<dc:creator>FaceLift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46375</guid>
		<description>It makes no sense to have government licensed religious leaders of any sort, unless we enter a new era of liberal democracy whereby religious leaders become a regulating body for a government department, which rather sounds like a melding of church and state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes no sense to have government licensed religious leaders of any sort, unless we enter a new era of liberal democracy whereby religious leaders become a regulating body for a government department, which rather sounds like a melding of church and state.</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46342</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46342</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;CL&lt;/b&gt; says:&lt;blockquote&gt; Homer - and Earth to Lefty Elitist - it was Muslims who suggested the plan. The government has never proposed â€ślicensing clerics.â€?&lt;/blockquote&gt; So is it good because we can restrict and delicense Imams, bad because Muslims came up with the idea or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>CL</b> says:<br />
<blockquote> Homer - and Earth to Lefty Elitist - it was Muslims who suggested the plan. The government has never proposed â€ślicensing clerics.â€?</p></blockquote>
<p> So is it good because we can restrict and delicense Imams, bad because Muslims came up with the idea or what?</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back EP &#38; George Whitefield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46320</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back EP &#38; George Whitefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46320</guid>
		<description>I'm with Steve on this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Steve on this!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Edwards</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46307</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46307</guid>
		<description>"...it was Muslims who suggested the plan."

But this actually makes the government's actions worse than they already were. Adopting proposals on the basis of the self-serving ethnic lobby's demands is precisely the opposite course one would like to see. 

Once again, we are seeing governments blatantly interfering in organised religion, all in the name of "fighting terrorism".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;it was Muslims who suggested the plan.&#8221;</p>
<p>But this actually makes the government&#8217;s actions worse than they already were. Adopting proposals on the basis of the self-serving ethnic lobby&#8217;s demands is precisely the opposite course one would like to see. </p>
<p>Once again, we are seeing governments blatantly interfering in organised religion, all in the name of &#8220;fighting terrorism&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: AU</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46297</link>
		<dc:creator>AU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46297</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Butler is an apologist for Islam. He has as much credibility as a holocaust denier.

Recently he commented at another site where he was happy to see the Victorian chapter of this â€śreligionâ€™ go after people under Bracks Blasphemy laws. He said this after the â€śUnequal Opportunity Commissionâ€? set up the two Christian pastors under this law. For those who donâ€™t know, May. Halou, an employee of this commission got a few Muslim converts to spy on the pastorâ€™s preaching against the dangers of Islam and then complain to the Tribunal about them. The Star Chamber all over again.&lt;/em&gt;

Do you have a link to these comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Butler is an apologist for Islam. He has as much credibility as a holocaust denier.</p>
<p>Recently he commented at another site where he was happy to see the Victorian chapter of this â€śreligionâ€™ go after people under Bracks Blasphemy laws. He said this after the â€śUnequal Opportunity Commissionâ€? set up the two Christian pastors under this law. For those who donâ€™t know, May. Halou, an employee of this commission got a few Muslim converts to spy on the pastorâ€™s preaching against the dangers of Islam and then complain to the Tribunal about them. The Star Chamber all over again.</em></p>
<p>Do you have a link to these comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46239</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46239</guid>
		<description>I'm still waiting for RWDBs to finally become relaxed and comfortable. How many decades of Howardianism will it take? Don't they realise that the Dear Leader has us all in his paternal care, and there's no need to worry their heads about evil?

Lefty E, please continue with your cataloguing of RWDBisms. It's proving most enlightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for RWDBs to finally become relaxed and comfortable. How many decades of Howardianism will it take? Don&#8217;t they realise that the Dear Leader has us all in his paternal care, and there&#8217;s no need to worry their heads about evil?</p>
<p>Lefty E, please continue with your cataloguing of RWDBisms. It&#8217;s proving most enlightening.</p>
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		<title>By: dk.au</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46228</link>
		<dc:creator>dk.au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46228</guid>
		<description>The body was appointed by Howard and is government run, C.L.  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

I saw that doco, Shaun.  Though I think the concept of justice and forgiveness - let alone 'loving thy neighbour' - is far too un-Christian for C.L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The body was appointed by Howard and is government run, C.L.  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck &#8230;</p>
<p>I saw that doco, Shaun.  Though I think the concept of justice and forgiveness - let alone &#8216;loving thy neighbour&#8217; - is far too un-Christian for C.L.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty Elitist</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46227</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty Elitist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46227</guid>
		<description>I was talking more generally, CL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking more generally, CL.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Cronin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46218</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46218</guid>
		<description>I don't care who came up with the idea, it is not a progressive solution. Some thing that does sound like a good idea is &lt;a href="http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2369745" rel="nofollow"&gt;Yemen Dialogue Committee&lt;/a&gt;. Last week SBS showed a documentary on the committee.  It seems that there has been some success in turning jihadists around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care who came up with the idea, it is not a progressive solution. Some thing that does sound like a good idea is <a href="http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2369745" rel="nofollow">Yemen Dialogue Committee</a>. Last week SBS showed a documentary on the committee.  It seems that there has been some success in turning jihadists around.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46215</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46215</guid>
		<description>Homer - and Earth to Lefty Elitist - it was Muslims who suggested the plan. The government has never proposed "licensing clerics."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer - and Earth to Lefty Elitist - it was Muslims who suggested the plan. The government has never proposed &#8220;licensing clerics.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty Elitist</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46194</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty Elitist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46194</guid>
		<description>Jeez, I dont want to sound all millenarian, but is this type of cultural defensiveness really a sign of a confident, hegemonic, triumphant and expanding culture... or a defensive, shrill, always panicky awareness of decline? It was certainly the latter in the early middle ages.

My point: sooner or later, I do hope the West realises what poor ambassadors for cultural and poltical achievement our current crop of Neo-Con leaders are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, I dont want to sound all millenarian, but is this type of cultural defensiveness really a sign of a confident, hegemonic, triumphant and expanding culture&#8230; or a defensive, shrill, always panicky awareness of decline? It was certainly the latter in the early middle ages.</p>
<p>My point: sooner or later, I do hope the West realises what poor ambassadors for cultural and poltical achievement our current crop of Neo-Con leaders are.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back EP &#38; Peter the Great</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46193</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back EP &#38; Peter the Great</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46193</guid>
		<description>CL, are you advocating licensing Islamic clerics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CL, are you advocating licensing Islamic clerics?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46191</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46191</guid>
		<description>Disingenous, C.L. I'm not defending anything except fundamental freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disingenous, C.L. I&#8217;m not defending anything except fundamental freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46189</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46189</guid>
		<description>Fourteenth century? You're over-estimating Islam's modernity by several centuries. But go ahead and defend "clerics" who advocate murder and trivialise rape. 

Good look for your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fourteenth century? You&#8217;re over-estimating Islam&#8217;s modernity by several centuries. But go ahead and defend &#8220;clerics&#8221; who advocate murder and trivialise rape. </p>
<p>Good look for your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46183</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46183</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Islam is a cult?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm sure if you read Currency's blog, Pavlov's Cat, you'll find numerous instances of this sort of lanaguage being used. He's known as Crusader Lad because his rhetoric faithfully reproduces 14th century denunciations of Islam with almost no updating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Islam is a cult?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure if you read Currency&#8217;s blog, Pavlov&#8217;s Cat, you&#8217;ll find numerous instances of this sort of lanaguage being used. He&#8217;s known as Crusader Lad because his rhetoric faithfully reproduces 14th century denunciations of Islam with almost no updating.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46182</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46182</guid>
		<description>Islam is a cult?

&lt;i&gt;Auslander Raus&lt;/i&gt; doesn't mean 'Foreigners piss off' (without specifying what flavour of foreigners)?

Geez, I must have gone to a really, really bad school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islam is a cult?</p>
<p><i>Auslander Raus</i> doesn&#8217;t mean &#8216;Foreigners piss off&#8217; (without specifying what flavour of foreigners)?</p>
<p>Geez, I must have gone to a really, really bad school.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46169</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46169</guid>
		<description>C.L. enters stage right and plays the &lt;a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/07/saturday-salon-37/#comment-46118" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ruddockule card&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C.L. enters stage right and plays the <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/07/saturday-salon-37/#comment-46118" rel="nofollow">Ruddockule card</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46127</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46127</guid>
		<description>The plan was originally suggested by &lt;a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17672916%5E2702,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Muslim clerics&lt;/a&gt;. I doubt any Catholic priests in Cold War Czeckoslavakia asked the communist government to "please crack down on us." 

What the plan's MUSLIM promoters suggest is that pretend authority figures who preach violence, 9/11 denialism or - for example - that women who get raped &lt;a href="http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/they_are_nothing_but_satanical/" rel="nofollow"&gt;asked for it&lt;/a&gt;, should be "named and shamed."

In Europe, Scientology is more or less persona non grata (pardon the anthropomorphisation). Islam is a far more dangerous cult and should be treated with the same kind of sophisticated Continental disdain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plan was originally suggested by <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17672916%5E2702,00.html" rel="nofollow">Muslim clerics</a>. I doubt any Catholic priests in Cold War Czeckoslavakia asked the communist government to &#8220;please crack down on us.&#8221; </p>
<p>What the plan&#8217;s MUSLIM promoters suggest is that pretend authority figures who preach violence, 9/11 denialism or - for example - that women who get raped <a href="http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/they_are_nothing_but_satanical/" rel="nofollow">asked for it</a>, should be &#8220;named and shamed.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Europe, Scientology is more or less persona non grata (pardon the anthropomorphisation). Islam is a far more dangerous cult and should be treated with the same kind of sophisticated Continental disdain.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46125</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46125</guid>
		<description>Nice to see someone pick up on my comparison between these Howard government tactics and Eastern bloc Communist regimes, Steve. As often happens, I find myself agreeing with your libertarian sentiments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see someone pick up on my comparison between these Howard government tactics and Eastern bloc Communist regimes, Steve. As often happens, I find myself agreeing with your libertarian sentiments.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Edwards</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46124</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/01/09/approved-imams/#comment-46124</guid>
		<description>I'm afraid this is yet another item of evidence for my emerging view that there is now very little moral distinction between our government and the Communists.

The Soviets had "licensed" religious leaders who had to read right off the government script. The Soviets also had "anti-hate laws" (http://awesternheart.blogspot.com/2005/12/communist-origins-of-anti-hate-laws.html), which were introduced to control religious expression. The Soviets also had torture camps and gulags where "deviants" would be held without charge and "re-educated" if necessary. We have now either implemented or openly endorsed all of these items. 

However, this does not mean that we should ignore the spectre of radical Islam. It's just that turning Australia into a Soviet police state is unlikely to do anything to combat radical Islam - it certainly did not work in Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid this is yet another item of evidence for my emerging view that there is now very little moral distinction between our government and the Communists.</p>
<p>The Soviets had &#8220;licensed&#8221; religious leaders who had to read right off the government script. The Soviets also had &#8220;anti-hate laws&#8221; (http://awesternheart.blogspot.com/2005/12/communist-origins-of-anti-hate-laws.html), which were introduced to control religious expression. The Soviets also had torture camps and gulags where &#8220;deviants&#8221; would be held without charge and &#8220;re-educated&#8221; if necessary. We have now either implemented or openly endorsed all of these items. </p>
<p>However, this does not mean that we should ignore the spectre of radical Islam. It&#8217;s just that turning Australia into a Soviet police state is unlikely to do anything to combat radical Islam - it certainly did not work in Russia.</p>
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