Apropos of nothing much (you can make your own connections if you like), I just think that this paragraph from James Wolcott in Vanity Fair is so apt, and beautifully put:
Conservatives grow fond of their grudges, cradling them to their bosoms like vipers and passing them down to the younger generation, where Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin model them as necklaces.
Not pearl necklaces I take it.
Wolcott’s great; his measured ridicule of the panoply of wingnuts the US media provides is a daily fix for me. From his blog today, another in an ongoing series of jabs at Pajamas Media (which he calls Pee-pee Media) founder, schlock novelist and political redneck Roger L. Simon:
‘Roger L. Simon, international man of muffler repair, recently floated a lead trial balloon urging the divestiture of Google stock, saying that he’d sell his stock if he owned any, depending on climate conditions, solar-lunar conjunctions, and the elasticity of his garters. Despite his bold, unequivocal stand, there are those who doubt his commitment…’
Wolcott grows fond of his grudges, cradling them to his bosom like vipers and passing them down to the younger generation, where Kim and Glenn model them as necklaces.
Cut a little close there did she Crusader Lad?
I’ll give Tim Blair a bit of credit on the bathrobe media thing, he could see the dead man walking.
Still, he wears his necklace as well as Coulter and Malkin, it drapes beautifully right below all their adams apples.
Glenn, got a link to Wolcott’s blog?
Hmmm, I think someone is wearing a bracelet of sour grapes.
http://www.jameswolcott.com/
I am grumpy, white and male and I resent the racial tag.
White men made society and created most things that have led to Australia being the greatest country on earth.
White men created the prosperity we enjoy today.
White men formed Unions which created precedents for living standards and fair wages.
White men built the great cities of Western society.
White men fought to prevent Japanese fascism in WWII and defended Australia.
White men gave women the vote.
White men established modern society for the most part.
White men developed the first modern concepts of liberty.
White men filled the libraries of Western society with books.
White men stopped the precedent of imperialism in international politics.
White men stopped slavery(something that had been occurring for thousands of year by men of all colours.
So why not show some respect to us often maligned folk.
Women don’t exist, I suppose?
Of cause women exist but most of the constructive work was done by men(not all but the vast vast majority) and it was targetted at men.
Do you find this line of argument works well on the first date?
Women had unlimited opportunities to help with all this stuff, of course, and were encouraged to do so at every turn. It’s just that we didn’t want to bother our pretty heads or soil our little hands.
All by themselves, hey patrick?
Then what’s the matter with your generation of white men? Underachievers!
“Behind every successful man is a surprised woman”.
I learned respect for Wolcott when he coined the term ‘bedwetters’ to describe those so willing to support the decimation of civil liberties in America so long as Bush would keep them safe. This paragraph is further proof of his satirical wit.
RE: Zoe
Not underachievers, white men are still doing great things but they are for the most part suppressed by the “left-wing-liberal” fascist media and social heirachies. (e.g. the teacher’s union)
I mean there is white man on the seats of all the great powers of the world but China.
Re: Mark
Only a loser would disuss politics seriously on a first date.(i.e. someone who is defined by their political views).
RE: Pavlov’s Cat
Haha Men gave women all the oppurtunites they have and they are still yet to achieve a hell of a lot. I look forward to when they do but until than, they should stop whining about the oppurtunities they never had and get on to achieving.
So you wait to the second date to mention how men did everything constructive and how little you value the contribution of women, patrick? Thanks for clarifying.
I’m white, male, occassionally grumpy, quite conservative, think women are amazing creatures who brighten up the landscape and acheive more than we give them credit for, I wear no jewellry but a watch, and I don’t bear grudges. I know quite a few others in the same boat. Does this place Wolcott up the creek? Paddleless?
Patrick, if you mention ‘left wing liberals’ without any context or political analysis again either here or at stoush I’m going to cry. Seriously, I’m going to crawl into the foetal position under my desk and bawl until I’ve cried myself into being thirsty, then I’m going to get a cold drink and weep some more.
I just can’t take it any more, please, for humanity’s sake, stop doing it.
I value the contributions of women to many things, just not society building at this stage. They are empirically not there yet.
Damn left-wing liberals
Are they the same damn left-wing liberals that are national socialists? Or is that the damn right-wing Liberals?
Liam I do not see why you take exception when there are so many other similiar phrases thrown around. RWDB, neo-con, lefties etc. etc.
Liam, you should be careful about crying until you’re thirsty - it appears that will only make the pain worse.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1559544.htm
He must be referring to Phillip Ruddock, I think. The driest former wet liberal - all his tears long ago cried out.
Oh I am sorry Liam, if it means that much to you I will stop it unless it is in context.
I just had aspirations to be the Cyber-Cato
“Carthago Delenda est”
“Conservatives grow fond of their grudges, cradling them to their bosoms like vipers and passing them down to the younger generation, where Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin model them as necklaces.”
Wow what fantastic analysis………. (not).
Ha Ha. Dumb-left-wingers so wedded within their comfort zone of argumentum ad homenim that they’ve gone that extra step to becoming admirers of eachothers ad homenim attacks.
You sure you’re a Lesbian Kim? It may be an academic question. It may be that your personality is so foul you couldn’t get a fella.
Nice of you to interrupt your busy pants-dropping schedule to add to the debate here, Mr Bird.
Someone’s had a good go at you with the nasty stick, haven’t they? Come here and have a cuddle, love.
The internet is full of other more appropriate sites if you’re looking to get laid sister.
Graeme……….10,9,8,7…………
Zoe, I have always admired your generosity with cuddles but this time I really think you’ve gone too far.
Really Pavs? Gotta tell ya, it is hard out here on the frontline of spreading love on teh interwebs, but so rewarding!
A bit concerned that I didn’t get to Mr Bird in time, and the nice men in white coats have interrupted his weeties.
I know what’s going on here. As the craven, cringing, bully-boy (and uppity-girl) advocates of the intellectual status quo you all figure that you are in the IN crowd. And Zoe’s technique is just a subset of how the left are all trained psychiatrists along with their many other talents ( the gift of second-site, ESP, and most of all a certain artists sensiblility). So that the diagnosis here is that someone is a conservative without leash on the basis of some deep psycological deficiency. In this case Zoe alleges some sort of trauma to do with lack of affection.
That duck aint going to leave the lake. Since every conservative whose ever been to University even for a short time knows he can pull a leftist chick but that it can sometimes be pretty hard to get away from the big-assed ones.
Gotta admit Zoe, he’s got you there.
GMB - he’s dynamite!
It’s true, I have a generously proportioned bottom. However unlike Mr Bird, I don’t use it to do my thinking.
…..6,5,4…….
I don’t know Zoe. I rather suspect that on this thread at least you may have been motivated by what you are sitting on no small amount. It must be a bit bleak for the women surrounded by all these effete leftist girly-men. Still its nice to know that you and Amanda haven’t lost all your sense of humour to this mirthless gray church that you are a part of.
Hey! Great to see things are just as I left them when I went away! I can’t wait to chat more with Patrick and Graeme about women’s non-contribution to civilisation (like, babies, anyone? Nah, no-one needs babies.) but I do fear they may accuse me of being unattractive and unrootable.
They might be effete leftist girly-men, but they’re our effete leftist girly-men.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Remind me never to insult you two. I shall never refer to you two as dumb-left-wingers again if I’ve done so already.
See the effete girly-man who looks like beaker from the Muppets. He counts down as if I don’t have better things to do. As if I would consider it an immense priviledge to post on his site.
Use it or put it away beaker. Do it now.
Where IS my manbag! I just love being Amanda’s and Kate’s beyotch.
Ahem. Phil, I think you’ll find that you’re MY beyotch, not Kate’s.
Pimpin’ aint easy.
I find that hard to believe Kate. Any girl so ready to talk about babies in these post-modern times is likely to be considered more then rootable.
I’m sorry baby, I’ll never two time you again! Honest!
Graeme, tread carefully mate….please….
Phil.
Forget it.
That I cannot do.
Now lets get back to debating something or other.
What crap. The simple fact of the matter is that all dynamics of modern society has come from white males. Even if they were Jewish they were still white. So why do you disparage white men?
Because you are too stupid to disparage yourself.
Furthermore in the light of recent racist attacks on white men in Cronulla your comments are both insensitive and copuld amount to incting racist hatred.
haha
Not that I really care personally but fascism is a pestilence on society and might end up being thrown back at you.
So there are white males who have achieved something positive in the world, and this allows white males who haven’t to bask in the glow of their ascriptively refracted light.
What was it Ayn Rand said about racism being an automatic self-esteem mechanism?
I doubt that she said anything relevant to your side Liam. Afterall patrick is railing against anti-White-male racism. He’s not asserting some sort of White supremist agenda.
This seems the most appropriate thread to make the point.
Graeme Bird - I’ve just done a search of all the comments you’ve made here. The vast majority appear to be abuse, in some cases quite vitriolic personal abuse. This is in breach of the comments policy. Your comments will be moderated from here on as you’re clearly not willing to debate civilly.
No correspondence will be entered into regarding this.
Yet more proof that you Marxoids cannot tolerate open debate. Since your ideas are such a fragile fraud.
Open debate should be debate not personal abuse based on people’s gender, opinions, sexuality or appearance.
Thank you Graheme.
Of cause I am not a white supremacist in any way, shape or form.
I am also the strongest opponent there is of institutionalised and legislative racism.
I am making a point here that whilst I do not mind the characterisation of white men even if it is factually inaccurate, racist and sexist,
but the precedents in these things have already been said a hundred times over.
What the hell is a ‘beyotch’?
(It’s ‘beeyatch’, damn fakeass niggas.)
Patrick’s list of white male achievements is overdue, but in the interests of balance, I will have to put on my black armband and point out the deficiencies of white males.
For examples, white males built up communism and other leftist causes, and spread this poisonous brew to all four corners of the globe, resulting in economic misery and the mass murder of over 100 million people.
Also, white males were largely responsible for creating the Aboriginal Industry in Australia, leading more than a hundred thousand indigenes to live miserable mendicant existences, completely controlled by a bureaucratic elite.
While there is nothing wrong with celebrating the achievements of white males, it behooves us to mention our deficiencies as well.
Steve Edwards on 3 February 2006 at 9:04 pm
V. good point.
White males are apt to think that they know it all, having accomplished so much. But they are not as smart as they think they are.
This is especially obvious in politics, where ideology - either of class or race - has been very destructive. For some reason, white males behaving badly simply can’t get on with their wicked ways.
They need to invent a justifying system of ideas to convince themselves and others that what they are doing is right. This gives their evil deeds a kind of spiritual amplification which we could all do without.
Do you even know why people actually wear black armbands?
Also, your 100 million “murders’ is b.s., and the achievements or otherwise of dead white men embiggen you not at all. Seriously. This white man’s veneration-persecution-complex club is tired, and not a little weird.
A perfectly cromulent comment mo money.
Just the deeds of our ancestors that we can only hope to live up to…
haha
Noone said that it embiggens anybody that is white or belittles anybody that is not white mo money.
However if racial, gender stereotypes are going to be put forward than empirical evidence can surely be used to attack them.
You know that famous quote
“The truth will set you free”
Funny, all of a sudden I kinda miss R.H.
10 points, Shaun - evidence of a truly noble spirit!
The disparagement of Dead White Males is not a figment of RWDB imagination. It has been a staple of the leading lights of leftwing thought for almost a generation. See the general belittlement of the Canon, Sontag “the white race is cancer” etc. You can’t make this stuff although David Williamson did not find it beyond his powers of parody.
What’s weird is that so many left wingers swallowed it hook line and sinker just so they could strike daring and controversial poses.
The recent, so-called, veneration of DWM’s accomplishments has been pretty much a one-man effort by Charles Murray. His work hardly amounts to a Crusade, more a quioxtic foray. (FWIW I feel he has underestimated the accomplishments of Dead Yellow Males, see Needham’s work.
Christ, the absurd, triumphalist white man=lord of all creation historical thesis is challenged and suddenly it’s imperative that the “descendants” of Columbus mount a shrill jihad to crush the leftoid belittlers. Do you have any idea what you sound like?
mo money, noone said that white man = lord of all creation.
So stop the racial insinuations please
“You can’t make this stuff although David Williamson did not find it beyond his powers of parody.”
And a terrible parody at that. I had to read DWM for ext1 english in year 12… all Williamson did was make the Professor look like a sleazy, corrupt and hypocritical bastard… and from that we were supposed to assume that the theories he was teaching were complete BS. Just seemed like one big ad hominem to me… felt like telling Williamson to “go foucault” himself.
Oh c’mon patrick, you were the one who sent this thread on a predictably tenditious course in the first place.
Kim’s original post was headed “commentators of grumpy white appearance” and highlighted a piece of snark about conservative pundits.
You chose to misread it as an attack on all white men. Incidentally I agree with your list of white men’s achievements. However none of these achievements were by grumpy blog commentators (like yourself) and many were furiously resisted by conservative pundits at the time.
If you’re gonna grap and cram on a shoe designed for someone else, then don’t start complaining if it doesn’t fit.
“grap”?? I meant “grab”. Bloody mornings.
I see mo’ money has ambitions to become the David Irving of gulag denial (I will ignore his deliberate attempt to obfuscate vis-a-vis my reference to the “black armband view of history”). Good luck with that! For your information, I count state-engineered starvation as “murder”, which is bad news for Mao’s amen corner, and hence, the communist body count comes to over 100 million people.
Former Nobel Prize nominee, Rudolph Rummel has the breakdown here:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
“Also, your 100 million “murders’ is b.s., and the achievements ”
Yeah Steve I noticed that one too. Mo’ Money. Isn’t it a bit late in the day for leftists to be the wall to wall holocaust-deniers they once were. Actually you are probably literally right. 100 million peacetime murders by communists is the sort of base level figure that is undeniable.
Then you could throw the German Socialist killings on top of that since they are basically out of the same church. Then its a fact that the Soviets co-operated with the German military build-up and co-launched the war with the invasion of Poland. Being as the two countries were allies.
Maybe its only because I’m young and have thus only been exposed to latter generations of leftism… but I’ve yet to meet a leftist who denied the reality of Eastern Bloc State terror… let alone the mass murder perpetrated by the regimes. Hell, I’ve yet to meet a Chinese person who’ll speak unqualified praise to Mao’s reign.
I know that during the heyday of the 60’s there was a tendency in leftist circles to idolize Mao… but I doubt anyone is a fan of him nowadays (the PRC only pays lip service to him as a strategy of national unity and regime legitimization), let alone Stalin, East Germany, that odious Romanian bloke (forget his name) etc. Modern leftists are more likely to glorify events such as May ‘68, or the Prague Spring, etc… and there are still those who are sympathetic to Cuba (not so sure as to the merits of that… I am personally quite embarrassed by the Che t-shirts I used to love when I was 16).
The left has (or should) move on from those days anyway. It was a failed, tragic experiment… there are now new experiments occurring in Latin America. Mind you, I’ve yet to find any source (from any ideological slant) on Chavez that I trust completely… and Morales has only just begun in Bolivia. So I can’t say with certainty that they are good or bad examples to use. Anyway, I doubt Australia will ever seek to emulate such projects… nor should we, in my opinion.
Nabakov you are very clearly an anti-white racist. How could I read that comment any other way?
The arguments in the left were relentless and their opinions never amounted o one simple doctrine.
These phrases lefty, rwdb, are just silly
Mr Bird, a comment of yours has been deleted because it was needlessly offensive to another commenter. You should consider this the final notification to be civil to others. Further needlessly abusive comments will necessitate placing your comments in moderation.
Was it justified? Did the fellow insult someone else. Why are you singling me out?
They were calling us all RIGHT WING DEATH BEASTS. Don’t you feel that this is insulting. Its a little bit Rich not to reveal to everyone exactly what this alleged offense was.
Oh right. You wiped my explanation to Cliff of how the left were holocaust-deniers. Man that is so weak. Everything I said there was right. It wasn’t rude. And you are just getting nasty because of all these home truths I laid down.
I spent some time writing that thing. And now its been wiped. It was as good an explanation as anyone’s ever likely to get about the subject. It was undeniable. And it was far from offensive. It had a mild tease at the end about Cliff not experiencing this holocaust-denial.
You just HAVE to grow up man. And stop acting like a religious cultist.
The personal reference to Cliff was certainly not mild. It’s possible to disagree without getting personal. And as pointed out, RWDB is not a term of abuse but a term right wing commenters have applied to themselves as a badge of pride.
It’s an outrageous term of abuse. I don’t call myself that. That is such a lame dodge. That some soldier of fortune type might have called himself that sometime around when 9/11 happened? And now its no smear just because you figure you can source it to a ‘right-winger’. That’s weak man.
Put my holocaust-denial essay back. The kids need to know this stuff. And it is indeed strange that Cliff hadn’t experienced it. I BELIEVED him. But the rest of us sure have experienced it. We are experiencing it now indirectly through the history wars and the falsification of the archives that went on there.
If the administrator felt that your comments were not suitable for this forum then so be it… this is a privately owned and administered site… with a code of conduct. Obviously it was judged that what you wrote contravened said conduct, and that’s the way it is. However, if you believe that what you wrote was important and insightful, then feel free to address it to me privately at juebizi AT gmail DOT com.
Once a comment has been deleted, it’s not possible to recover it. The software used makes it impossible.
Who is this administrator dude anyway? Is it a joke? Piss off back to the gulag, is all I can think of to say.
Maybe we lured Ms Harris over here with a better salary offer?
or fresher turkeys?
Since you can whack whatever you so please in your title and web fields, I guess ‘administrator’ was some silly lurker(or even regular?!) trying to spook-out Birdman. The sentiment’s nice, but it looks dumb and clumsy, whoever it was.
On the RWDB self description, here’s the view of premiere right wing blogger Tim Blair’s administrator.
I think it’s time for this thread to close. Meta-blogging is so last weekend.