Oh Danna

Danna Vale has outdone herself this time. She reckons the reason we shouldn’t allow RU486 into the country is because “we’re aborting ourselves out of existence”. We being white middle class Christians, of course, and into this void will flow those super-fertile Muslims.

Federal Liberal MP Danna Vale says she is supporting a Coalition-backed amendment to a bill on the abortion drug RU486 because she is concerned Australia will become dominated by Muslims.

The amendment proposed by five female Coalition backbenchers would still see the Health Minister decide on applications for RU486, after the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) had first ruled on its safety

“I’ve actually read in the Daily Telegraph where a certain imam from the Lakemba mosque actually said that Australia is going to be a Muslim nation in 50 years’ time,” she said.

“I didn’t believe him at the time but when you actually look at the birthrates and you look at the fact that we are aborting ourselves almost out of existence.”

Mrs Vale says apart from the morals of the issue, she is concerned about what she says are the implications for Australia’s future.

“The ramifications it actually has for the community and the nation we’ll become in the future is not for the decision of the TGA,” she said.

Mrs Vale’s concerns are not shared by the other sponsors of the amendment, including Jackie Kelly.

“I think Danna’s on her own on that one,” she said.

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202 Responses to “Oh Danna”


  1. 1 PhilNo Gravatar

    She’s insane, what can you say?

  2. 2 KateNo Gravatar

    I dunno. I’m pretty much rendered speechless by her comments.

  3. 3 Anna WinterNo Gravatar

    I love it. Bring out the crazies I say!

    Anyone who thinks that women are only having babies because we’re forcing them to has clearly never announced to their friends “I never want children”. Believe me, I am in the minority.

  4. 4 ZoeNo Gravatar

    Perhaps we need a theme park in praise of Aryan fecundity?

  5. 5 BorisNo Gravatar

    Danna should be returned to the Ministry immediately. We need to hear more of her wisdom.

  6. 6 David HeidelbergNo Gravatar

    Stay brave and true my pretties, for all will be well.

  7. 7 KateNo Gravatar

    Lie back and think of the white Australia policy girls!

  8. 8 mickNo Gravatar

    Wow, that quote has it all…

  9. 9 RobertNo Gravatar

    Woah.

    This makes Peter Costello’s “one for the country” remark sane by comparison.

  10. 10 ivapNo Gravatar

    some liberal she is. should I be packing my bags to my mother’s land ?

  11. 11 PhilNo Gravatar

    As a chardonnay swilling Grayndlerite I’d like to express my unhappiness with Vale’s statement.

  12. 12 anthonyNo Gravatar

    Wow, never been one to complain about my tax dollars but, wow.

  13. 13 C.L.No Gravatar

    Her remarks are reasonable and truthful. Demographic reality means Islam will become predominant in some European countries (let alone voting districts, mayoralities, suburbs etc) in our lifetimes. The leftist response to this is either to dismiss it or get some kind of anti-right vicarious pleasure out of the fact. We’ve seen what power can be wielded by Islam (the cartoons) when Muslims are not the majority. How many rights beloved by the left do you think are going to survive even slight Muslim majorities?

    The fact is white women are not very fecund, nor are the feminists amongst them courageous enough to assert that women’s rights have been won within the context of a Christian and anglophone culture. Don’t lie back and think of the White Australia Policy. Lie back and think of future feminists, because other religious and ethnic cultures are not particularly interested in what you hold dear.

  14. 14 LiamNo Gravatar

    That only makes sense if Muslim parents produce Muslim kids, Currency. Christian parents and religious schooling in Australia fails pretty much entirely to produce faith in offspring, as do Jewish parents and Jewish schools. Why should Islam be more transmissible through the generations than any other faith?
    Or is it really just the

    white women

    you’re concerned with?

  15. 15 LinkNo Gravatar

    But she’s done the maths! And the Imam said so, so its obviously a done deal. We must compete! We’re going to be over-run by pesky people. More people! The world needs more people–more white people, more not muslim people!
    The sky is falling, the sky is falling . . .

  16. 16 David HeidelbergNo Gravatar

    CL may not have noticed that Vale’s conservative female colleagues looked totally horrified after her statement. Jackie Kelly made sure to point out that “Danna is on her own with that one”

  17. 17 GaryNo Gravatar

    Priceless comment from Danna’s comrade. Would love to have been in on Jackie’s thought processes.

  18. 18 LiamNo Gravatar

    I’ve figured it out.
    Hint: I think there might be another announcement in 29.530589 days.

  19. 19 Tiny TyrantNo Gravatar

    My pillar of the community, ex-chairman, relative, recently announced at a Buck’s dinner that we all need to have as many children as we can afford to feed. Apparently, at least one will die somewhere between childhood and breeding age, AND we need to outbreed those Muslims.

    Jobs on, team!

  20. 20 AngharadNo Gravatar

    I’m glad she’s not my mum. It would be so bad going home and confessing to being knocked up and then having to keep the baby just to keep the Muslims from getting the numbers. This is even better than her idea of recreating Gallipoli in Melbourne. Although I’m thinking she might be developing a bit of a problem if she puts the two ideas together.

  21. 21 Lefty ElitistNo Gravatar

    Honestly…. What a moron. I dispute the idea that these people are “representatives” of the OZ people.
    I really do think the coalition backbench are in fact far stupider than the average Ozzy punter.

  22. 22 morganzolaNo Gravatar

    I heard this on the radio today, but I’m afraid I initially found the sheer preposterousness* of Vale’s utterances funny. Then I remembered that there’s actually quite a few of our fellow Australians who apparently share the perversely eugenic idea that the Muslims are engaged in a conspiracy to outbreed us - talkback radio is apparently replete with them, as are various RWDB blogs and sites like Online Opinion, where their editorial policy (at least with respect to their comments boxes) clearly favours proponents of similar drivel.

    Gawd help us…

  23. 23 morganzolaNo Gravatar

    * Always wanted to use that word :)

  24. 24 C.L.No Gravatar

    No, Liam, Kate introduced the subject of whiteness. I’m more interested in the survival of Christian culture - the same culture within which feminism emerged and outside of which - especially in Islam - it isn’t, by and large, to be found.

    As for religious adherence in second and third generations, the evidence from Europe is that these are the generations which are most hostile to Western freedoms. The Muslims wielding placards in the UK last week calling for blasphemous westerners to be decapitated probably spoke suburban patois in various of London’s accents.

  25. 25 Chris AndersonNo Gravatar

    Oh Danna. Alas you have taken over Bronwen’s mantel.

  26. 26 Lefty ElitistNo Gravatar

    Well, you can chill for now CL. I think you’ll find its roughly 20 million to 200,000 in our wide brown land.

    By my estimates, that’s about 100-1, and you and Danna can resume freaking out about this somewhere in the mid 24th century.

  27. 27 PeterTBNo Gravatar

    Really dopey statement from Danna, although you must give her a couple of points for honesty.

    Liam may be right about there being no necessary connection between Muslim families and Muslim children, but I doubt it. Reason? I don’t think that faith is the issue - but rather cultural identification. Catholic kids don’t necessarily have faith but they are pleased to state their religion as Catholic to get their own kids into the Catholic school of choice.

    Likewise, while the men of MEA in western sydney may never visit a mosque, they will no doubt seek to have have their own children brought up to identify as Muslims.

    The hope for Australia is that the attractions of the Australian way of life make Islam unattractive.

  28. 28 Lefty ElitistNo Gravatar

    Yeah, ask the Maronite Lebanese how included they’re feeling in this alleged “Christian community” revival shit.

  29. 29 LiamNo Gravatar

    Yes, Currency, I read about the protests of religious Muslims in Paris. 2,000 read the BBC report. Geez, give it a month without exams, and the National Union of Students could easily pull two thousand people in Sydney, a city a fraction the size of Paris.
    As a political strategy for radical Muslims, fucking like rabbits isn’t going to cut it. As for your comments about Christian culture—sounds like a good idea, if any of them wanted to try it out.

  30. 30 LisaNo Gravatar

    Ah, don’t we all just love multiculturalism?

    The only thing that stopped me from laughing hard when I heard the wisdom imparted from Danaa was the dinner in my mouth. What does one’s fertility has to do with another’s religion?

    And I’m not sure what’s with all the complains about low birthrates. Our Dana has obviously never taken a Canberra bus on weekends. My hat’s off to a couple (and they look anglo, mind you. Not the Lakemba-ish) with four young children, the youngest being a newborn baby.

  31. 31 C.L.No Gravatar

    It never stops with people of a leftist orientation does it? There’s always an excuse. No Liam, it wasn’t just 2000 dickheads marching in Paris. We’re talking about company products pulled from shelves, editors sacked, cartoonists with body guards, film-makers murdered, a dozen (Muslim) folks killed in protests, extra-territoriality stomped on at several embassies and freedom of speech more or less officially curtailed. Hovering above it all is the tiresome and unchanging threat of Muslim violence. As usual, the world’s Muslim “moderates” yawn.

    As far as anglophone Christian culture goes, as I said - this was the cultural context within which feminism emerged and thrived. Outside of it, there will be no feminism. Western feminists ought to be more fecund or the few daughters they do have might find themselves with less rights than their mothers enjoyed. It’s like the abortion Roe Effect: liberals are breeding themselves out and they’re too suicidal to realise it.

  32. 32 dk.auNo Gravatar

    Liam your explanation of Danna’s statement qualifies to you become an official RWDB scientist. Your tasks include keeping a tally on: filmmakers murdered by the mentally ill “Muslinatics”, not dead Iraqis who didn’t die as a result of the Iraq invasion, and silent “moderates” that prove their nonexistence by not commenting at Andrew Bolt’s forum.

  33. 33 C.L.No Gravatar

    Dicko proves my point. The left has now abandoned free speech and artistic freedom, just as it abandoned feminism for Islamic women - who officially don’t count as women and may therefore be required to cover up (lest they be sluts) and otherwise be licitly mistreated. Criticise this and you become an AWDBoltHitlerBushAbuTorture freak. The left’s intellectual cowardice on Islamic fascism is even more sad than its support for Stalinism.

  34. 34 RobertNo Gravatar

    You know, the more I read this thread the more I think Liam was on to something with the full moon thing.

  35. 35 Steve EdwardsNo Gravatar

    “As a political strategy for radical Muslims, fucking like rabbits isn’t going to cut it…”

    Except, that’s precisely what did work in Lebanon and Bosnia - not only for radical Muslims, but relatively secular ones also.

  36. 36 Pavlov's CatNo Gravatar

    Steve Edwards: Now there’s a funny thing. I could have sworn it was the Bosnian Muslim women who were being systematically raped on a horrifying scale as part of the Serbian war effort and ethnic cleansing strategy.

    C. L.: It’s “fewer rights”.

    Just sayin’.

  37. 37 NabakovNo Gravatar

    Well at least she’s taken our mind off the Yellow Peril and various other swarming Asiatic hordes.

    Just think only two generations ago, we were locked in a savage race war to the death with the Japanese. Today I had a great sushi and VB lunch with a bunch of Aussie aerospace engineers trying to explain the concept of “chucking” in cricket to a couple of young Japanese wireless broadband dudes from Hitachi. And a very good time was had by all - except our poor English waitress.

  38. 38 Steve EdwardsNo Gravatar

    No - in the decades leading up to the Bosnian War, there was a Muslim baby boom that dwarfed anything among the adjacent peoples. This tipped the balance away from the Serbs, who had previously been the dominant ethny in that territory. If there had been a Serbian baby boom from the 1960s on, it’s fair to say that Bosnia (and possibly Croatia for that matter) would today be a part of Greater Serbia.

  39. 39 anthonyNo Gravatar

    Apropos Phil, Liam and Robert’s perceptive point and in lieu of calling people asshats for suggesting a dual system of most favoured citizens for breeding (lets call them “Australians”) amongst other stupidities, I refer you all to the 27% The Crazification Factor.

  40. 40 KimNo Gravatar

    Bosnia - where Europe (now lauded by RWDBs for standing up for “Western Civ”, “Freedom of Speech”, etc) stood by and did precisely bugger all when European Muslims - many of them, if not all, ethnically indistinguishable from Slavs - being the descendants of populations who’d converted under the Ottoman Empire - were massacred wholesale, and put in concentration camps (great invention of Western European Christian Civilisation!).

    Good on Clinton and America for intervening!

    So where’s the civilisation on “our” side of the clash of civilisations again?

    Disclosure: I have Jewish ancestry. Cardinals preaching a crusade against Islam were forcing my ancestors to choose between death and baptism. YAY FOR THE CIVILISED CHRISTIAN WEST!

  41. 41 KimNo Gravatar

    C.L. I thought you were a feminist. You know, since you hate Islam for its abuses against women. Are you breeding yourself out of existence? Have you done your duty by God, Country and Civilisation and fathered lots of little Crusader lads and lasses?

    Sheesh! Isn’t it incumbent on you to reproduce a full Catholic brood of kiddies to counter the ISLAMIC TAKEOVER?

    Probably not. But even so, get your prejudices off our reproductive choices!

    (Ps - I’m joshing, but hey, why not look at the beam in the eye of those you argue on behalf of, before you point out the mote in your sisters’ eyes?)… :)

  42. 42 KimNo Gravatar

    No, Liam, Kate introduced the subject of whiteness. I’m more interested in the survival of Christian culture - the same culture within which feminism emerged and outside of which - especially in Islam - it isn’t, by and large, to be found.

    Where are the Currency Kids then?

    Practise what you preach my friend! Hey, you might even discover sex is fun!

    *NB Not every woman you might have sex with is automatically wanting to have your babies. So, on reflection, perhaps you’d better refrain - until you’re joined with a Currency lass in the sacrament of holy matrimony. You have my email - I want to be a bridesmaid…

  43. 43 KimNo Gravatar

    The left’s intellectual cowardice on Islamic fascism is even more sad than its support for Stalinism.

    So you’ve outed yourself and your secret is revealed - you are RAFE!

    The question is, when are all the people who wittingly or unwittingly supported the most devastating totalitarian movement of the twentieth century, the communist movement, going to admit they made a mistake, perhaps say sorry and pay tribute to folk like the Quadrant crowd who were carrying the ball in the appropriate direction while the communists were running it the other way?

    The answer is… I don’t know… Andrew Peacock?

  44. 44 GregMNo Gravatar

    Kim, the last four posts on this thread are yours. In each one, in exposing the bigotry and superficiality of the poster you have ridiculed (and that is the right word for you have done nothing other than that, certainly you not tried to engage them in constructive discussion), you have exposed your own bigotry and superficiality.

    I know that being a minor academic in one of Australia’s second or third or fourth tier Universities is a respectable way to make a living, just as being a person checking in cars in a city car park or working on the check-out counter in a supermarket is, but please, if you want to rise above lowly status conferred upon you by your employment at your current institution please realise that constructive, intelligent and insightful engagement is the way to go, not cheap shots at ridicule that just expose your own superficiality.

    I ask this of you as a tax-payer who has to fund the wasteful spending on our tertiary institutions in the hope that my tax money hasn’t gone wholly down the drain. And maybe, if you are good enough, you might, one day, be given employment in a First Tier university. Think about it.

  45. 45 KimNo Gravatar

    Greg

    Evidently you have me confused with somebody else.

    Not only am I not a minor academic. I am not an academic at all.

    I am a self-employed graphic designer and photographer and make a better living than academics do through selling my skills on the free market, and adapting to its vicissitudes.

    So you may have to find a different point of criticism to attack me on.

    I stand by my comments by the way. If you read them carefully, I’m exposing contradictions. If you choose to read them as sardonic hyperbole, that’s also your right, and who knows what the intention of the author finally is? I would only say that mine is charitable. I’m not so sure about yours.

    But I’d best go to bed. I have to get up and earn my living.

  46. 46 KimNo Gravatar

    Also, the last three comments (at least) are intended to be jokes. Perhaps they’re blogosphere in jokes (particularly about the Rafean Inquisition), but then I’ve been around for a while. I’m quite fond of Currency, as he knows, and while I do have a serious point, I’m sure he, if not you, will read them as light hearted stirring - as they are intended to be (along with the other intentions that they are burdened by - perhaps too many, and we’re none of us at our best after midnight, as I’m sure you’d be the first to agree…).

  47. 47 cozalcoatlNo Gravatar

    Gawd, I wonder what she thinks about people like me.
    Happily married, white, financally secure, 33 and childless.

  48. 48 Red PeterNo Gravatar

    So let me get the logic straight here.

    Anglo-christian culture is under threat of being “bred out” by Muslims because they have less abortions and more children generally.

    This is very worrysome because it’s our Anglo-christian culture that underpins the liberal values of personal freedom, democracy, secularism etc., that make our society.

    Therefore, the believing minority of our Anglo-christian population should be allowed infringe their beliefs upon personal freedoms, the democratic process and undermine the secular nature of our state.

    Because if we don’t let them do it now, the Big Bad Muslims will do it later and they’ll be much worse.

    About right?

  49. 49 Steve EdneyNo Gravatar

    Hmm, Seems GregM needs to take some of his own advice and not betray his bigotry about academics.

  50. 50 GuyNo Gravatar

    Dumbest political comment of the year so far. An absurdity.

  51. 51 KateNo Gravatar

    Something like that Red Peter. I think.

    What amazes me is the idea that even if one accepts the idea that Muslims are dedicated to outbreeding us christian types in Australia — and yes, Muslim countries do have significantly higher birthrates than western, nominally christian countries around the world, with Niger having around four times the birth rate of Australia, though one imagines this has something to do with poverty and lack of access to birth control rather than a desire to colonise — what amazes me is the idea that by denying women access to RU486 one can actually convince Australian women to produce more sprogs!

    I think Danna Vale’s conclusion doesn’t go far enough. She needs to suggest we ban all abortion, and all birth control, and insist that all women forgo extended education and careers to produce six or seven children — something you can only do if you start fairly early.

    Because to keep up with countries like Niger that’s what we’ll have to do.

    Sadly if I have a child every two years before I turn 36 I’ll only manage to put out four so I’d better get cracking.

  52. 52 weezilNo Gravatar

    Trackback

    …Danna Vale, gaffer extraordinaire, has uncorked another real corker…

  53. 53 Lefty ElitistNo Gravatar

    Reminds me of the days in the early 20th century when Catholics were considered disloyal, owing allegiance to Rome / Dublin over London, and likely to “outbreed” good Protestant citizens.

    And certainly not welcome in the Liberal Party and its predecessors!

    (PS Still not welcome as Head of State)

  54. 54 Paul NortonNo Gravatar

    This post should not be construed as suggesting that I regard Danna Vale as anything other than a profoundly silly person whose comments on RU486 are proof of her profound silliness.

    The following table compares the fertility rate per women with the abortion rate per woman in advanced capitalist democracies for which information is available on the incidence of abortion.

    Country Fertility Rate Abortion Rate

    Australia 1.75 0.57
    Belgium 1.48 0.21
    Canada 1.58 0.49
    Denmark 1.65 0.48
    Finland 1.55 0.31
    France 1.80 0.37
    Germany 1.29 0.23
    Ireland 2.02 0.18
    Italy 1.20 0.34
    Japan 1.33 0.40
    Korea 1.51 0.59
    Netherlands 1.50 0.20
    New Zealand 1.97 0.49
    Norway 1.70 0.47
    Spain 1.13 0.17
    Sweden 1.29 0.56
    Switzerland 1.38 0.25
    United Kingdom 1.61 0.47
    United States 1.93 0.69

    (I hope these come out in neat columns. Sorry if they haven’t.)

    Sources:

    Fertility Rates: UNFPA State of World Population Report, Demographic, Social and Economic Indicators at http://www.unfpa.org/swp/2002/english/indicators/pdf/pdf2.pdf

    Abortion Rates: Henshaw et al, “The Incidence of Abortion Worldwide”, in Family Planning Perspectives, Volume 25, Supplement, January 1999, at http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/25s3099.html

    Not only is there not a negative correlation between the fertility rate and the abortion rate (as there would be if Vale and CL were onto something), there is actually a positive correlation at a level of significance of 0.068, in other words not far short of being a statistically significant positive correlation.

  55. 55 Paul NortonNo Gravatar

    “Reminds me of the days in the early 20th century when Catholics were considered disloyal, owing allegiance to Rome/Dublin over London, and likely to “outbreedâ€? good Protestant citizens.”

    Ah yes, I am reminded of the tall story told by my sectarian Protestant mother (who is half Irish herself) about how the Groupers at her office early in WW2 were actively discouraging the young Catholic men from enlisting so that they could survive the war whilst the Protestant lads dropped like flies, thereby providing the basis for a Catholic majority once hostilities ceased. Mum also thinks the republican movement in Australia is a plot by Catholic migrants to have the Queen replaced by the Pope as Australian Head of State.

    P.S. She doesn’t like Moslems either.

  56. 56 MrLeftyNo Gravatar

    Don’t worry, Danna. It’ll all be alright. Stay Brave And True!!

  57. 57 LiamNo Gravatar

    At least the Pope is elected, Paul.

  58. 58 Paul NortonNo Gravatar

    True enough, Liam, although the current incumbent was also responsible for vetting appointments of cardinals for much of his predecessor’s reign, i.e. he voted for them before they voted for him.

  59. 59 liaNo Gravatar

    How clever of the Coalition to have in its fold, members (ideological mules)who are prepared to do the party’s dirty work by making such empty-headed, fascist and socially devisive statements. Of course, other Coalition members will distance themselves….hiding behind the rationale of apparently respecting freedom of expression/choice within the party, and respect for the system of representative democracy.

    However, respect for freedom of expression/choice and representative democracy is far from being a genuine, generalised and substantive practice of this government.

    If Australia is to be not only a successful society, but a successful and harmonious multicultural society, it needs tolerant, intelligent and visionary politicians who lead by example — not tools who divide by irresponsible, moronic design.

  60. 60 LauraNo Gravatar

    What an amazing mind. She ought to make herself available for psychological research. The powers of compression and condensation required to bring together a Yellow Peril-style freakout with religious bigotry and antifeminist anti-abortion hysteria are truly phenomenal.

  61. 61 C.L.No Gravatar

    CL thinks feminism only arose due to the beneficial effects of Western Christendom.

    CL thinks - as he said - that feminist arose in anglophone Christian cultures. Outside of such cultures, it has never really existed. This, of course, is irrefutable, despite Naomi’s nonsense.

    I found Jackie Kelly’s comment more hilarious: “I think you do have issues there with the West continuing to plunder the Third World for kids now.”

    Look out and make way for the rush of evil Viking baby plunderers!!

    As far as the Yellow Peril goes, we know in which party that spirit is still to be found.

  62. 62 Bernice BalconeyNo Gravatar

    Astonishing really - that an elected representative could come out with such nonsense. Firstly, class determines birth rates to a much higher degree than religious affiliation/observance - cross culturally. This can be observed most notably in immigrants, who, if able to engage economically & re-invent themselves as middle-class, will reduce their family sizes wthin one generation. Logically therefore it could be argued that functioning multiculturalism, by its emphasis on inclusiveness, will do more to maintain the predominate anglo christian culture of Australia than insistence upon adherence to a narrow Ozstlian Hansenite/Howard relaxed & comfortable status.
    Secondly, as stupid as Danna’s remarks are, & as open to ridicule, they are also from a long tradition of eugenics polished up & flashed about - unAustralian can only be defined if you also define Australian - & obviously Danna Vale is more than prepared to hand those definitions out.

  63. 63 C.L.No Gravatar

    A eugenics mentality is more commonly found amongst pro-abortionists.

  64. 64 GuyNo Gravatar

    I can’t believe the extent of her lunacy in suggesting what she has suggested. Her observations make no sense which ever way you look at them.

  65. 65 Pavlov's CatNo Gravatar

    ‘CL thinks - as he said - that feminist [fully sic. Thanks Zoe, I plan to use this expression whenever I get the chance from now on] arose in anglophone Christian cultures. Outside of such cultures, it has never really existed. This, of course, is irrefutable, despite Naomi’s nonsense.’

    This remark fills me with envy. I would just love to be the sort of person who can make some wild claim to be an expert in a field I demonstrably know bugger-all about and then follow the claim with ‘This, of course, is irrefutable’ and dismiss any dissent as ‘nonsense’. Happy the man, etc.

    In the meantime, however, C.L., do you know anything about the non-Christian Gaelic-speaking matriarchal Celtic cultures? Do any of these names mean anything to you: Simone de Beauvoir, Luce Irigaray, Helene Cixous, Toril Moi, Christine de Pizan, Olympe de Gouges?

    And then of course there’s Nawal El Saadawi.

    Anglophones, every one.

  66. 66 anthonyNo Gravatar

    I think someone’s been talking to god on the big white anglophone.

  67. 67 rosscoNo Gravatar

    Lucky for Howard that Donna is not still a Minister. Much easier to disown her as backbencher. What I would like to know is how this loony ever made it into the Ministry in the first place. Had Howard ever had a deep and meaningful disussion with her?
    Of course it must be recognised that this is not an original idea of hers, she is relying on the Daily Telegraph for her opinion. Enough said.

  68. 68 Lefty ElitistNo Gravatar

    “This, of course, is irrefutable,…”

    CL, most credos, or articles of belief are indeed irrefutable. This is what separates them from hypotheses - which can be tested.

    Travelling as an hypothesis, your assertion didnt last two comments.

  69. 69 Bernice BalconeyNo Gravatar

    Yeh Pavlov’s Cat - I was wondering about the thousands of women from African, Asian & Latin American nations who attended the Beijing Women’s Conference.

  70. 70 Steve MunnNo Gravatar

    Currency Lad says: “As far as anglophone Christian culture goes, as I said - this was the cultural context within which feminism emerged and thrived. Outside of it, there will be no feminism.”

    Obviously Curency Lad has little or no knowledge of anthropology. Societies in which women have been dominant or equal partners with men are well known. Wikipedia briefly diuscusses these. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchy

    The social advances that have been made in the West, from gay rights to feminism, have all been made in spite of significant opposition from the Christian establishment.

    Various other non-Christian cultures are currently making great strides in women’s rights. My partner is Vietnamese and I have been to Vietnam many times. Vietnamese women, and particularly those in the middle class, are not subservient to men.

  71. 71 Anna WinterNo Gravatar

    CL - relying on, and dragging out, the same two stories about questionable late-term abortions, does not provide you with a conclusive argument about anything.

  72. 72 C.L.No Gravatar

    Feminism arose and thrived in anglophone Christian countries. This is an historical fact and cannot be denied. Doing so is childish and silly. That’s why I say, if feminists want feminism to perdure, they should have more children. In other cultures, especially Islamic ones, what you hold dear is not particularly important.

    Do any of these names mean anything to you: Simone de Beauvoir, Luce Irigaray, Helene Cixous, Toril Moi, Christine de Pizan, Olympe de Gouges?

    No. They don’t mean anything to most people in Australia and certainly not to most women who aren’t employed as “women’s studies” “academics.”

  73. 73 Bernice BalconeyNo Gravatar

    CL - your link to pro-abortionists is rather curious - even a brief google search shows that the complainant Jepson is a ordained minister in the Church of England who campaigns for the rights of unborn handicapped children. But there is no indication as to why the abortion was carried out. Yes the foetus had a cleft palate but there is no insight as to why the mother and doctors made the decision they did. Where there other medical problems, did the mother already have children with medical conditions? I don’t know, & I suspect you don’t either.
    To label this eugenics in practice by pro-abortionists is simply inaccurate, unproven and arrogantly dismissive of the emotional toll every expectant parent goes through when facing the possibility of a child born with a medical condition of unknown severity.

  74. 74 Bill PostersNo Gravatar

    The argument from authority has always been popular, but CL is giving the argument from personal ignorance a good old workout today.

    Its use by our brethren on the right seems on the rise around here - is it fashionable (like short shorts) or something?

  75. 75 ZoeNo Gravatar

    Thank God Chicken Little’s here to tell feminists what to do.

  76. 76 Bring Back EPNo Gravatar

    Steve,

    There are some social advances that make society go backwards.

    go back and do some reading about feminism around the late nineteenth century in the UK.

    The Leaders all has a common belief. Guess what it was?

  77. 77 C.L.No Gravatar

    It was a celebrated case, Bernice. There were no other reasons for the child’s extermination but that he or she was imperfect. This sort of Mengele-ism is now common, of course.

    As the Rev Jepson, herself born with a jaw defect, said: “My teenage years were difficult because of facial abnormality. I live a positive and fulfilling life. This baby did not have that opportunity.”

    Here is the Rev Jepson today. There are now doctors who would have been prepared to eliminate her according to someone’s phoney “choice.”

  78. 78 Anna WinterNo Gravatar

    “This sort of Mengele-ism is now common, of course.”

    Which is why you are still linking to a case from 2002.

  79. 79 alfredNo Gravatar

    After reading the many comments on Danna Vale and her gutsy (not stupid )say ,I and my wife think that it is about time that real Aussies stood up and truthfully spoke out like she did ,the others with her were gutles. Australians are so naive,silly,tolerant of all things that they have become sickening,you can almost guess the outcome of anything.

    My wife and I believe she MUST be a Christian to be getting all this flack.
    Were you all born yesterday with your uneducated, immature secular humanistic views & comments?
    Morality is OUT in Australia immorality is IN.
    We have euthanasia in the womb and women suffer emotionally from having abortions we know.

    If your mother’s had taken the pill you wouldn’t be here to comment anway.

    If you had been around as long as I have you would have seen in the media over the years that the white anglo saxon’s will be outnumbered by billions soon as blacks,asians ,muslims are fast becoming the superior race and Danna is right in a way.
    We are becoming a minority(whites)It has nothing to do with Christianity anyway.
    Another book you need to read, written by Jack Burrel in 1978 called “What Will Become of Australia?” is about a map he saw filled in black colour down to Exmouth in WA and a line going east to Ballina in Qld where a plan is to take Australia over by people of the north.
    So Wake up you do gooders and and over tolerant Aussies (I am one too) and see with real eyes ,what is happeneing to our once lovely,well run, peaceful nation before too late.

  80. 80 KateNo Gravatar

    Oh well, if they only want the bit north of Exmouth and Ballina that’s okay. We aren’t really using it anyway.

  81. 81 C.L.No Gravatar

    With art, feminism and Islam topical, I expect LP’s sisterhood will be outraged that feisty feminist and Islamic target, Oriana Fallaci, has been been portrayed decapitated at an anti-American exhibition in Milan.

    [Giuseppe] Veneziano’s painting is doubly offensive, however, in light of the fact that Fallaci herself has been driven out of Italy by frivolous charges that she has “defamed Islam.” Giuseppe Veneziano is not on trial for depicting Fallaci decapitated, but Fallaci faces trial for making a series of heated but largely true statements about Islam and Muslims.

    Veneziano’s painting is triply offensive in that it depicts exactly what the Muslim exponents of cartoon rage around the world would like to see done to Fallaci — and thus manifests the ever-closer empathy between the Western Left and Islamic jihad. “Behead those who insult Islam,” read a sign at a recent demonstration in London protesting the Danish cartoons of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. If Fallaci has insulted Islam with her monumental post-9/11 cries of freedom and resistance, The Rage and the Pride and The Force of Reason, Giuseppe Veneziano is happy to oblige the mujahedin, at least on canvas.

    I expect many LP posts on this act of vicarious violence against an outspoken woman.

  82. 82 Bernice BalconeyNo Gravatar

    Thank you CL for the links - but I am none the wiser as to the circumstances of the initial decision to abort. & it should be added that as you kindly pointed us to the Jepson today link, the CPS found no grounds for prosecution in March 2005 and the case proceeded no further.
    Late term abortion decisions are not made strictly on medical grounds, but will always involve the ability of the parents to care and provide for the child. Not the practice of eugenics by pro-abortionists but parenting decisions.

  83. 83 Liam The Right Wing Comment GeneratorNo Gravatar

    Begin comment. Syntax:
    Comment for form’s sake on the topic of the thread. Paragraph end.
    Citation of perceived ideological standpoint (ie. feminism, Communism, Wet-ness) of other commenters. Include sarcasm, alliteration.
    Link to randomly selected article.
    Lengthy quotation from article.
    Demand for outrage.
    End comment.

  84. 84 RobertNo Gravatar

    No mention of the fact that the guy who’s bringing the suit against her for “defaming Islam” was previously convicted for “defaming Christianity”? No rousing defence of his right to criticise the Pope? Seems that all he wants is consistency — or is it okay to prosecute Muslims, but not Christians?

  85. 85 ZoeNo Gravatar

    Tiresome, CL. There is no monolithic feminist view amongst LP writers and commenters, as you well know.

    I for one have no problem with a picture of her decapitated head, but I’m at the libertarian end of things when it comes to freedom of speech, and don’t speak for anyone else.

    How’s that sky holdin’ up?

  86. 86 RobertNo Gravatar

    It’s interesting that CL can’t say whether his “celebrated” (by whom? Pro-lifers, I suspect, which is perverse) foetus was male or female, but insists that he’s across all of the medical detail of the case.

  87. 87 C.L.No Gravatar

    Thanks Bernice. Your description of the killing of a child with a cleft palate as a “parenting decision” is worthy of Joseph himself.

    So Anna, do you think the cleft palate baby should have been exterminated? Yes or no?

    By the way, if you want a story link more recent: New risk link in pill debate:

    The US Government is investigating links between the controversial abortion pill RU486 and a killer bacterium.

    America’s top scientists will meet to discuss the deaths of four Californian women who all died of toxic shock after taking RU486, also known as mifepristone.

    All the women suffered massive organ failure after taking RU486 and becoming infected with the bacterium clostridium sordellii.

    There is also now talk of “clusters” of RU486 deaths. Strange, in this light, that progressives all of a sudden trust Big Pharma.

  88. 88 Lefty ElitistNo Gravatar

    Liamista, you muststill be using the 2.0 program. The latest 2.5 generation software updates include such features as:

    Note grave threats posed by Muslims
    Note grave threats posed by Muslims are being ignored by other commentators (optional extra)
    Note ‘punters dont care’ in losing argument about Government corruption

  89. 89 Paul Norton