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	<title>Comments on: O Canada!</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54868</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54868</guid>
		<description>I bought some Canadia indie rock on the way to work this morning - New Pornographers as recommended by Shannon, and Metric (another crossover with the BSS collective) - will report back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought some Canadia indie rock on the way to work this morning - New Pornographers as recommended by Shannon, and Metric (another crossover with the BSS collective) - will report back!</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54866</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54866</guid>
		<description>j_p_z (not JPY?) said:  &lt;i&gt;Whatâ€™s your take on our intrepid young Canadian friends?&lt;/i&gt;

I don't have a take but I found a Melbourne blog (the best kind) that does have a take. &lt;a href="http://landownunder.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt; I've linked to him at my place.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j_p_z (not JPY?) said:  <i>Whatâ€™s your take on our intrepid young Canadian friends?</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a take but I found a Melbourne blog (the best kind) that does have a take. <a href="http://landownunder.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"> I&#8217;ve linked to him at my place.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54773</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54773</guid>
		<description>Night!</description>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54762</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54762</guid>
		<description>JPZ:

Frank Yankovich and His Yanks?  Thought they were in the Smithsonian!

good night everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JPZ:</p>
<p>Frank Yankovich and His Yanks?  Thought they were in the Smithsonian!</p>
<p>good night everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54758</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54758</guid>
		<description>I have to ask - is there a Canadian equivalent of &lt;a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/index.php?s=missy" rel="nofollow"&gt;Missy Higgins&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to ask - is there a Canadian equivalent of <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/index.php?s=missy" rel="nofollow">Missy Higgins</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54637</link>
		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54637</guid>
		<description>FXH -- just popped over to your blog, to see if you'd written anything on the Canadians.  Didn't find any, but I saw you referencing the Lucky Strikes 'so round, so firm, so fully-packed' as a song lyric.

Thought you'd be amused to know the phrase was also used in a (modified) form in the great old polka classic, "Who Stole the Kishka?"  I quote the version recorded by the Pennsylvania polka kings, Frankie Yankovic and His Yanks...

"Round and firm and fully-packed,
It was standing on the rack.
Someone stole the kishka
When I turned by back!"

Love them accordions....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FXH &#8212; just popped over to your blog, to see if you&#8217;d written anything on the Canadians.  Didn&#8217;t find any, but I saw you referencing the Lucky Strikes &#8217;so round, so firm, so fully-packed&#8217; as a song lyric.</p>
<p>Thought you&#8217;d be amused to know the phrase was also used in a (modified) form in the great old polka classic, &#8220;Who Stole the Kishka?&#8221;  I quote the version recorded by the Pennsylvania polka kings, Frankie Yankovic and His Yanks&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Round and firm and fully-packed,<br />
It was standing on the rack.<br />
Someone stole the kishka<br />
When I turned by back!&#8221;</p>
<p>Love them accordions&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54633</link>
		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54633</guid>
		<description>FXH... "Does the pope shit in the woods?"

Hm... dunno.  Does a bear wear a funny hat? ;)

But you're a pretty serious music writer, yes, FX?  What's your take on our intrepid young Canadian friends?  Like the little voice keeps saying on the De La Soul record,

"Whatdoesitallmean?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FXH&#8230; &#8220;Does the pope shit in the woods?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hm&#8230; dunno.  Does a bear wear a funny hat? <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re a pretty serious music writer, yes, FX?  What&#8217;s your take on our intrepid young Canadian friends?  Like the little voice keeps saying on the De La Soul record,</p>
<p>&#8220;Whatdoesitallmean?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54590</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54590</guid>
		<description>That's one of the reasons why I specifically mentioned BSS were playing in Perth, James. I know you guys miss a lot of tours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s one of the reasons why I specifically mentioned BSS were playing in Perth, James. I know you guys miss a lot of tours.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54589</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54589</guid>
		<description>Has Bonnie Prince Billy played in Melbourne or Sydney yet? He was due. Stuck here in Perth as I am and having warned you all yonks ago I'll be mighty dark if you did not go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Bonnie Prince Billy played in Melbourne or Sydney yet? He was due. Stuck here in Perth as I am and having warned you all yonks ago I&#8217;ll be mighty dark if you did not go.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54538</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54538</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt; is anybody here into so-called â€œalt-countryâ€?&lt;/i&gt;

Does the pope shit in the woods?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> is anybody here into so-called â€œalt-countryâ€?</i></p>
<p>Does the pope shit in the woods?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54498</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54498</guid>
		<description>I'd be interested in gig reviews from any readers who go see BSS.</description>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54429</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54429</guid>
		<description>Speaking of Canadian post-rock, &lt;a HREF="http://www.brainwashed.com/godspeed/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Godspeed You! Black Emperor&lt;/a&gt; are also worth checking out if you haven't already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Canadian post-rock, <a HREF="http://www.brainwashed.com/godspeed/" rel="nofollow">Godspeed You! Black Emperor</a> are also worth checking out if you haven&#8217;t already.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54406</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54406</guid>
		<description>Oops, I see Shannon already mentioned them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I see Shannon already mentioned them!</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54405</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54405</guid>
		<description>Can't disagree with the &lt;a href="http://gorillavsbear.blogspot.com/2005/11/broken-social-scene-live-in-dallas.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;commenters on this thread&lt;/a&gt; about Lisa being "quite a hottie".

And speaking of BSS collective constituents, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Haines" rel="nofollow"&gt;Emily Haines and Metric&lt;/a&gt; shouldn't go without a mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t disagree with the <a href="http://gorillavsbear.blogspot.com/2005/11/broken-social-scene-live-in-dallas.html" rel="nofollow">commenters on this thread</a> about Lisa being &#8220;quite a hottie&#8221;.</p>
<p>And speaking of BSS collective constituents, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Haines" rel="nofollow">Emily Haines and Metric</a> shouldn&#8217;t go without a mention.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54352</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54352</guid>
		<description>No probs, j_p_z!

Shannon, they're even more awesome live. And as I said in the post, Feist is brilliant. I'll also have to check out New Pornographers as I leeeeerve Neko Case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No probs, j_p_z!</p>
<p>Shannon, they&#8217;re even more awesome live. And as I said in the post, Feist is brilliant. I&#8217;ll also have to check out New Pornographers as I leeeeerve Neko Case!</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54349</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54349</guid>
		<description>One thing that strikes me is that the Canadian indie scene is more receptive to female artists than the American (alt.country and the folk influenced singer/songwriter scene are different kettles of fish) - where rock still equals boy band. But with Manchester haircuts!

As Canadian singers &lt;a href="http://www.teganandsara.com/index.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Tegan and Sara&lt;/a&gt; point out - unfortunately the link to the interview where Sara made that argument isn't live anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that strikes me is that the Canadian indie scene is more receptive to female artists than the American (alt.country and the folk influenced singer/songwriter scene are different kettles of fish) - where rock still equals boy band. But with Manchester haircuts!</p>
<p>As Canadian singers <a href="http://www.teganandsara.com/index.php" rel="nofollow">Tegan and Sara</a> point out - unfortunately the link to the interview where Sara made that argument isn&#8217;t live anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54347</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54347</guid>
		<description>BSS are awesome on record, and I can't wait to see them in Sydney this Saturday (bought my tix some time ago) so it's great to see such a good review already - thanks Mark!

BSS and the New Pornographers are similar in that they're both Canadian collectives and both sublime.

The 'other' projects of both bands are all essential listening. BSS includes members of Feist (Astrud Gilberto meets Mary Margaret O'Hara meets trip hop), Metric (The Strokes with double the IQ + synths), Stars (perfect synth pop - check their 2003 album 'Heart' - all love songs - I can't stop listening to it) and others...

New Pornographers includes AC Newman, Neko Case (one of the best alt country singers around) and members of Destroyer and Zumpano. Also worth mentioning is that one of their members, Blaine Thurier is a filmmaker, and his videos for the New Pornographers (especially for the songs 'All for Swinging You Around' and 'The Laws Have Changed') are some of the best music videos I've seen in recent years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BSS are awesome on record, and I can&#8217;t wait to see them in Sydney this Saturday (bought my tix some time ago) so it&#8217;s great to see such a good review already - thanks Mark!</p>
<p>BSS and the New Pornographers are similar in that they&#8217;re both Canadian collectives and both sublime.</p>
<p>The &#8216;other&#8217; projects of both bands are all essential listening. BSS includes members of Feist (Astrud Gilberto meets Mary Margaret O&#8217;Hara meets trip hop), Metric (The Strokes with double the IQ + synths), Stars (perfect synth pop - check their 2003 album &#8216;Heart&#8217; - all love songs - I can&#8217;t stop listening to it) and others&#8230;</p>
<p>New Pornographers includes AC Newman, Neko Case (one of the best alt country singers around) and members of Destroyer and Zumpano. Also worth mentioning is that one of their members, Blaine Thurier is a filmmaker, and his videos for the New Pornographers (especially for the songs &#8216;All for Swinging You Around&#8217; and &#8216;The Laws Have Changed&#8217;) are some of the best music videos I&#8217;ve seen in recent years.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54300</link>
		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54300</guid>
		<description>On the continuum of the Canadian music scene, is anybody here into so-called "alt-country" -- the high points being Uncle Tupelo's greatest, Wilco in their "Being There" phase, the mighty Lucinda Williams, and the astonishing-but-not-yet-repeated "I Am Shelby Lynne"?  

I mention it by way of contrast, because North American (or at least, north of the Rio Grande) art-pop (well, let's just go on and say ostensibly 'white' non-hip-hop) music exists on a kind of ROYGBIV bandwidth: the farther north you go, the less directly felt is the gravitational pull of hip-hop, blues, and 'pure' American C &#38; W -- though they're never entirely absent.  Point is that they increasingly get absorbed in the far North scene by artistic CHOICE, not by sheer cultural momentum.

Seems to me (from my very limited sampling of the Canadian scene) that the Canooks are starting to use that freedom as a base, and are moving into a more pure musical eclecticism: a kind of zero-gravity that has a lot to do with a) the radical fungibility of cultural products in the post-digital age, and b) also with a specifically Canadian kind of (ahem, here's that word) 'multiculturalism' that is not nearly as tied-down by racial guilt and second-guessing as it is down in the States (hence my use of the term 'zero gravity'). 

I don't know whether that's good or bad; and I also can't figure the impact of 'indigenous' Canadian musical influences (whatever those may be; though they're probably just a different strain of Anglo-Celtic-French, like in the US, but absent its weirder racial mixtures and pathologies).  But I think there's something happening in Canadian music (or rather, in its *context*) that reflects the larger goings-on in Canada's social matrix.  Can't tell for sure, though.  Because I live right in the place that spews pop culture the loudest, I can't accurately hear how this stuff plays in other parts of the world.  For instance, what does it sound like in Australia?

(btw, Rob &#38; Mark, thanks for the thumbs up!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the continuum of the Canadian music scene, is anybody here into so-called &#8220;alt-country&#8221; &#8212; the high points being Uncle Tupelo&#8217;s greatest, Wilco in their &#8220;Being There&#8221; phase, the mighty Lucinda Williams, and the astonishing-but-not-yet-repeated &#8220;I Am Shelby Lynne&#8221;?  </p>
<p>I mention it by way of contrast, because North American (or at least, north of the Rio Grande) art-pop (well, let&#8217;s just go on and say ostensibly &#8216;white&#8217; non-hip-hop) music exists on a kind of ROYGBIV bandwidth: the farther north you go, the less directly felt is the gravitational pull of hip-hop, blues, and &#8216;pure&#8217; American C &amp; W &#8212; though they&#8217;re never entirely absent.  Point is that they increasingly get absorbed in the far North scene by artistic CHOICE, not by sheer cultural momentum.</p>
<p>Seems to me (from my very limited sampling of the Canadian scene) that the Canooks are starting to use that freedom as a base, and are moving into a more pure musical eclecticism: a kind of zero-gravity that has a lot to do with a) the radical fungibility of cultural products in the post-digital age, and b) also with a specifically Canadian kind of (ahem, here&#8217;s that word) &#8216;multiculturalism&#8217; that is not nearly as tied-down by racial guilt and second-guessing as it is down in the States (hence my use of the term &#8216;zero gravity&#8217;). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether that&#8217;s good or bad; and I also can&#8217;t figure the impact of &#8216;indigenous&#8217; Canadian musical influences (whatever those may be; though they&#8217;re probably just a different strain of Anglo-Celtic-French, like in the US, but absent its weirder racial mixtures and pathologies).  But I think there&#8217;s something happening in Canadian music (or rather, in its *context*) that reflects the larger goings-on in Canada&#8217;s social matrix.  Can&#8217;t tell for sure, though.  Because I live right in the place that spews pop culture the loudest, I can&#8217;t accurately hear how this stuff plays in other parts of the world.  For instance, what does it sound like in Australia?</p>
<p>(btw, Rob &amp; Mark, thanks for the thumbs up!)</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Cronin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54285</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54285</guid>
		<description>I've been trying to give Broken Social Scene a listen but there is one heck of a loud thunderstorm happening at the moment. Sorta makes it hard to hear. 

As for Canadian bands I was listening to an old favourite this morning. &lt;a href=http://www.interlog.com/~charzi/tpoh/ rel="nofollow"&gt;The Pursuit of Happiness&lt;/a&gt;. It dates from the late 80s but &lt;a href=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000DQNH/ref=pd_art_ftr_2/102-2034265-0046556?s=music&#038;v=glance&#038;n=5174 rel="nofollow"&gt;Love Junk&lt;/a&gt; is still one of my favourite albums. Some of the best songs about unrequited love and lust ever. And it sure does rock in the grand tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to give Broken Social Scene a listen but there is one heck of a loud thunderstorm happening at the moment. Sorta makes it hard to hear. </p>
<p>As for Canadian bands I was listening to an old favourite this morning. <a href=http://www.interlog.com/~charzi/tpoh/ rel="nofollow">The Pursuit of Happiness</a>. It dates from the late 80s but <a href=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000DQNH/ref=pd_art_ftr_2/102-2034265-0046556?s=music&#038;v=glance&#038;n=5174 rel="nofollow">Love Junk</a> is still one of my favourite albums. Some of the best songs about unrequited love and lust ever. And it sure does rock in the grand tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54275</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/02/26/o-canada-2/#comment-54275</guid>
		<description>Seconded from the comments box, j_p_z mate.</description>
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