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		<title>By: Brian Bahnisch</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-92357</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, let me belatedly acknowledge that I&#039;d missed the bit about the Deputy Speaker making the initial ruling in your excellent post.

Today there was a schmozzle in parliament today with constant points of order and people being thrown out. Labor had numerous questions at the end about the validity and fairness of the Speaker&#039;s rulings. They reckon there have been 30 warnings in the last three days, 29 against Labor members.

Eight people have been thrown out, all Labor of course, and four I think today. It&#039;s a bit like when you have a poor ref in a contact sport and the players lose all respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, let me belatedly acknowledge that I&#8217;d missed the bit about the Deputy Speaker making the initial ruling in your excellent post.</p>
<p>Today there was a schmozzle in parliament today with constant points of order and people being thrown out. Labor had numerous questions at the end about the validity and fairness of the Speaker&#8217;s rulings. They reckon there have been 30 warnings in the last three days, 29 against Labor members.</p>
<p>Eight people have been thrown out, all Labor of course, and four I think today. It&#8217;s a bit like when you have a poor ref in a contact sport and the players lose all respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-91881</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armniac:
How about the Speaker being a &quot;retired&quot; parliamentarian ....federal or state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armniac:<br />
How about the Speaker being a &#8220;retired&#8221; parliamentarian &#8230;.federal or state?</p>
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		<title>By: Armaniac</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-91710</link>
		<dc:creator>Armaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abuse of the speaker powers is nothing substantially short of corruption in my view, whichever side does it. 

About time both sides sat down and agreed to make this position independent, perhaps even by removing the requirement that they are drawn from the house itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abuse of the speaker powers is nothing substantially short of corruption in my view, whichever side does it. </p>
<p>About time both sides sat down and agreed to make this position independent, perhaps even by removing the requirement that they are drawn from the house itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-88679</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>derrida derider  (on 31 May 2006 at 3:38 pm) said: 
 ==&quot; Putting a partisan time server into the Speaker’s chair is something that’s been done since Federation - a perk of incumbency&quot;. 

Sadly this is true .... so too is having a say on who will become Governor-General (one of the reasons some Australians - young and old - hold both offices in contempt).

At least Julia Gillard did try to bring tone and decency to the Parliament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>derrida derider  (on 31 May 2006 at 3:38 pm) said:<br />
 ==&#8221; Putting a partisan time server into the Speaker’s chair is something that’s been done since Federation &#8211; a perk of incumbency&#8221;. </p>
<p>Sadly this is true &#8230;. so too is having a say on who will become Governor-General (one of the reasons some Australians &#8211; young and old &#8211; hold both offices in contempt).</p>
<p>At least Julia Gillard did try to bring tone and decency to the Parliament.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-88579</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I move that this snivelling thread no longer be heard!

Incidentally, apropos of nought, one of the lesser known but best-named Brisbane thrash bands of the 90s was &quot;Mistah Speakah&quot;.

I believe they supporting &quot;Bloated Scrotum&quot; at the W&#039;gabba Railway Hotel a few times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I move that this snivelling thread no longer be heard!</p>
<p>Incidentally, apropos of nought, one of the lesser known but best-named Brisbane thrash bands of the 90s was &#8220;Mistah Speakah&#8221;.</p>
<p>I believe they supporting &#8220;Bloated Scrotum&#8221; at the W&#8217;gabba Railway Hotel a few times.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-88573</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did he really say that? Wow -- even his metaphors are giving him away!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did he really say that? Wow &#8212; even his metaphors are giving him away!</p>
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		<title>By: Tilly</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-88434</link>
		<dc:creator>Tilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 04:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abbott&#039;s written an article about the grub incident in today&#039;s Sydney Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/the-real-disorder-in-the-house/2006/06/06/1149359742435.html?page=2

Apparently Gillard &quot;has her own reasons for wanting to raise the parliamentary temperature.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abbott&#8217;s written an article about the grub incident in today&#8217;s Sydney Morning Herald:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/the-real-disorder-in-the-house/2006/06/06/1149359742435.html?page=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/the-real-disorder-in-the-house/2006/06/06/1149359742435.html?page=2</a></p>
<p>Apparently Gillard &#8220;has her own reasons for wanting to raise the parliamentary temperature.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: larrylaffer</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-86615</link>
		<dc:creator>larrylaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 10:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, in the real world, peoples lives continue to go along. Do the ALP really think the electorate gives a flying fark around this? They had the Government on the run about a raft of other stuff and thetactics bureau of gillard, smith and albo come up with this gem to take the attention away from all of that? Just dumb!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, in the real world, peoples lives continue to go along. Do the ALP really think the electorate gives a flying fark around this? They had the Government on the run about a raft of other stuff and thetactics bureau of gillard, smith and albo come up with this gem to take the attention away from all of that? Just dumb!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-85571</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My post is clear that the Deputy Speaker made the initial ruling. However, when the Speaker returned, Gillard immediately asked him to investigate the incident. He backed the Deputy&#039;s initial decision. If he&#039;d come back and said it was a bad decision, the whole thing would&#039;ve been over with -- in fact, it would have reflected well on him, while putting Labor back in its box, and Abbott couldn&#039;t care less whether he is told off or not.

So it&#039;s the Speaker&#039;s unwillingness to form his own opinions that is the real problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post is clear that the Deputy Speaker made the initial ruling. However, when the Speaker returned, Gillard immediately asked him to investigate the incident. He backed the Deputy&#8217;s initial decision. If he&#8217;d come back and said it was a bad decision, the whole thing would&#8217;ve been over with &#8212; in fact, it would have reflected well on him, while putting Labor back in its box, and Abbott couldn&#8217;t care less whether he is told off or not.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s the Speaker&#8217;s unwillingness to form his own opinions that is the real problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr_Anonymous_Commenter</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-85447</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr_Anonymous_Commenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an abuse of power? On what basis was this disproportionate ejection made? and Why? Abbott need not have said it in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an abuse of power? On what basis was this disproportionate ejection made? and Why? Abbott need not have said it in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bahnisch</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-85309</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very interesting, Don, and PC, I couldn&#039;t agree more.

Julia Gillard explained herself &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alp.org.au/media/0606/rihea010.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on radio this morning.&lt;/a&gt;

You probably heard that four of them were kicked out for an hour today, including Stephen Smith, Gillard and Albanese.

In part I think they are attacking the govt on its weakest point in parliament - the management of the house.

In part they are just sick to death of the way the govt doesn&#039;t even attempt to answer any questions, they just blather on tipping buckets on Labor about anything that comes to mind.

Labor contested everything vigorously today. Parliament is an awful rabble to listen to but I took some hope in that Labor was not just copping it, but gave all the appearance of being quite cohesive. I think they&#039;ve got a sniff.

In the MPI debate today Beazley made it quite clear that he&#039;s going after them in RARA land where, according to what was said today labor has four seats and the other mob has 45.

One of the side-plays is that Bronnie keeps jumping up with points of order, demonstrating what a mistake they made in not making her Speaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very interesting, Don, and PC, I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>Julia Gillard explained herself <a href="http://www.alp.org.au/media/0606/rihea010.php" rel="nofollow">on radio this morning.</a></p>
<p>You probably heard that four of them were kicked out for an hour today, including Stephen Smith, Gillard and Albanese.</p>
<p>In part I think they are attacking the govt on its weakest point in parliament &#8211; the management of the house.</p>
<p>In part they are just sick to death of the way the govt doesn&#8217;t even attempt to answer any questions, they just blather on tipping buckets on Labor about anything that comes to mind.</p>
<p>Labor contested everything vigorously today. Parliament is an awful rabble to listen to but I took some hope in that Labor was not just copping it, but gave all the appearance of being quite cohesive. I think they&#8217;ve got a sniff.</p>
<p>In the MPI debate today Beazley made it quite clear that he&#8217;s going after them in RARA land where, according to what was said today labor has four seats and the other mob has 45.</p>
<p>One of the side-plays is that Bronnie keeps jumping up with points of order, demonstrating what a mistake they made in not making her Speaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Razor</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-85178</link>
		<dc:creator>Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see he ALP focussing on the important things!!

Definitely a few mor evotes in all that useful enrgy expenditure.

Howard must be shaking in his boots!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see he ALP focussing on the important things!!</p>
<p>Definitely a few mor evotes in all that useful enrgy expenditure.</p>
<p>Howard must be shaking in his boots!</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-85158</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the clear and unresolved sexual tension between Gillard and Abbott&quot;

Yes, people who have been in the same room as both of them say the UST is quite &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/16/17GILLARD_wideweb__430x164.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;palpable&lt;/a&gt;.

I think we can all guess what the highlight of Parliamentry Big Brother would be. (Aside from Bill Heffernan caught trying on the women&#039;s underwear.)

And yes this talk of Julia&#039;s looks is pretty inane. Incidentally isn&#039;t it a shame how Tony Abbott is letting his locks fade away. Hasn&#039;t the poor guy heard of Advanced Hair, yeah, yeah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the clear and unresolved sexual tension between Gillard and Abbott&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, people who have been in the same room as both of them say the UST is quite <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/16/17GILLARD_wideweb__430x164.jpg" rel="nofollow">palpable</a>.</p>
<p>I think we can all guess what the highlight of Parliamentry Big Brother would be. (Aside from Bill Heffernan caught trying on the women&#8217;s underwear.)</p>
<p>And yes this talk of Julia&#8217;s looks is pretty inane. Incidentally isn&#8217;t it a shame how Tony Abbott is letting his locks fade away. Hasn&#8217;t the poor guy heard of Advanced Hair, yeah, yeah?</p>
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		<title>By: WeekbyWeek</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-85129</link>
		<dc:creator>WeekbyWeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and what about today&#039;s incompetence see: http://weekbyweek7.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and what about today&#8217;s incompetence see: <a href="http://weekbyweek7.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://weekbyweek7.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Don Wigan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-84991</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Wigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got my summary of events from RN&#039;s PM. (If Surfdom condemned the ABC Website for getting it half-wrong, they could&#039;ve mentioned that PM made amends.) Brian got it right. The original stuffup, in allowing Abbott to get away with that outrageous abuse, was not by Hawker but Peter Lindsay. Although Hawker may be a Liberal lackey, I don&#039;t think he&#039;d have allowed Abbott to get away with it.

Hawker, of course, was in a bind with Gillard&#039;s repetition of Abbott&#039;s words. If he moved against her he drew publicity to the whole episode and the hypocrisy on government rulings. If he let it go, he risked lowering standards. Result: a moral win to Beazer and Gillard.

If he did stuff up, it was by bowing out of Beazley&#039;s invitation to belatedly condemn Abbott and Lindsay. That would&#039;ve really set the cat among the pigeons and maybe led to his losing the chair. Even then he could&#039;ve hung on because the government wouldn&#039;t have wanted the bad publicity, but David maybe didn&#039;t think that far ahead.

As someone who lives in Hawker&#039;s electorate, and even drove him by cab from Warrnambool to Camperdown, I can tell you that while he may not be the brightest spark around, he is a good conversationalist and quite humane. There is little of the plastic that you encounter in most pollies. Still wouldn&#039;t vote for him, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got my summary of events from RN&#8217;s PM. (If Surfdom condemned the ABC Website for getting it half-wrong, they could&#8217;ve mentioned that PM made amends.) Brian got it right. The original stuffup, in allowing Abbott to get away with that outrageous abuse, was not by Hawker but Peter Lindsay. Although Hawker may be a Liberal lackey, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d have allowed Abbott to get away with it.</p>
<p>Hawker, of course, was in a bind with Gillard&#8217;s repetition of Abbott&#8217;s words. If he moved against her he drew publicity to the whole episode and the hypocrisy on government rulings. If he let it go, he risked lowering standards. Result: a moral win to Beazer and Gillard.</p>
<p>If he did stuff up, it was by bowing out of Beazley&#8217;s invitation to belatedly condemn Abbott and Lindsay. That would&#8217;ve really set the cat among the pigeons and maybe led to his losing the chair. Even then he could&#8217;ve hung on because the government wouldn&#8217;t have wanted the bad publicity, but David maybe didn&#8217;t think that far ahead.</p>
<p>As someone who lives in Hawker&#8217;s electorate, and even drove him by cab from Warrnambool to Camperdown, I can tell you that while he may not be the brightest spark around, he is a good conversationalist and quite humane. There is little of the plastic that you encounter in most pollies. Still wouldn&#8217;t vote for him, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-84957</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any chance of dragging some of the commenters on this thread into the 20th, sorry, 21st century and getting them to register that there are other interesting things to be said about Julia Gillard apart from inane remarks about what she looks like?

No, I thought not. Sorry. As you were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any chance of dragging some of the commenters on this thread into the 20th, sorry, 21st century and getting them to register that there are other interesting things to be said about Julia Gillard apart from inane remarks about what she looks like?</p>
<p>No, I thought not. Sorry. As you were.</p>
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		<title>By: Guruann</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/05/31/gillard-abbott-snivelling-grub/comment-page-1/#comment-84578</link>
		<dc:creator>Guruann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 13:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hawker is a hopeless speaker, he can&#039;t hide his bias.  Continually looking to his boss for approval.  I fyou have Skychannel watch him after 3pm, he changes his demeanor totally as he is not on the ABC as they only transmit between 2 and 3pm.

Julia definately isn&#039;t &quot;not the hatchet-faced hag that she projects on TV&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawker is a hopeless speaker, he can&#8217;t hide his bias.  Continually looking to his boss for approval.  I fyou have Skychannel watch him after 3pm, he changes his demeanor totally as he is not on the ABC as they only transmit between 2 and 3pm.</p>
<p>Julia definately isn&#8217;t &#8220;not the hatchet-faced hag that she projects on TV&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 13:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve met her - before she went into politics - she&#039;s a very nice person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve met her &#8211; before she went into politics &#8211; she&#8217;s a very nice person.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterTB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 12:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Encouragingly, I met someone the other day who sat next to Julia on a domestic flight.  Apparently, in person she is not the hatchet-faced hag that she projects on TV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Encouragingly, I met someone the other day who sat next to Julia on a domestic flight.  Apparently, in person she is not the hatchet-faced hag that she projects on TV</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bahnisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 12:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post, Robert, it was definitely worth doing. I think the thing with Hawker is that he has an appropriate bias to suit his masters, but is simply not quick-witted enough to carry it off.

I&#039;ve been listening to parliament for the last week in the afternoons and I think I&#039;d have a somewhat different take on it.

First up Hawker was not in the chair when the original problem arose, Peter Lindsay was. He obviously stuffed up by not asking Abbott to rephrase his motion.

I&#039;m not sure of the technicalities, but when Labor objected the house passed some kind of resolution setting the thing in stone by supporting Abbott. When Abbott withdrew in such an offensive manner he logically couldn&#039;t because the House had already passed his motion which stands there in Hansard.

Rather than a Gillard thing it seemed clear to me that there is a major strategy to embarrass the Government and its management of the house by attacking the Speaker. Gillard has also been caning him over not taking action to invalidate the votes of some Government members, in an incident where the doors were held open for them to return to the chamber when it should have been shut in their face. Gillard quoted Sneddon as a precedent.

On this the Abbott &#039;grub&#039; issue it is clear to me that Labor had a predetermined strategy for the day. At least it looked like that, with Beazley and Albanese supporting Gillard. Others have played bit parts on Monday.

The speaker felt obliged to make a statement that Gillard had been thrown out because she defied the Chair, not because she used the same words as Abbott. Faced with this bit of casuistry and exhortations on everyone to behave Beazley asked:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do I understand that, from your statement, that that is in effect a rebuke of the leader of the House for the terminology that he used at the time in the chamber, a rebuke for moving the motion in the terms in which he did, and a rebuke to the Deputy Speaker at the time for the way in which that matter was handled? (quote from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2006/s1652219.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;our ABC)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When the Speaker wouldn&#039;t play ball Beazley then moved that standing orders be set aside so that the house could pass a resolution which basically re-established the norm that everyone should behave decently (not sure of the exact detail here, but it was designed, I think as Labor&#039;s final play on this one.)

He then delivered a well-crafted speech which had obviously been prepared beforehand.

Abbott said everyone makes mistakes, not the least him.

Albanese quipped that here we have &quot;confession without contrition&quot;.

I think how today played out was obviously set up by Beazley, Gillard and Albanese and it worked a treat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, Robert, it was definitely worth doing. I think the thing with Hawker is that he has an appropriate bias to suit his masters, but is simply not quick-witted enough to carry it off.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been listening to parliament for the last week in the afternoons and I think I&#8217;d have a somewhat different take on it.</p>
<p>First up Hawker was not in the chair when the original problem arose, Peter Lindsay was. He obviously stuffed up by not asking Abbott to rephrase his motion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure of the technicalities, but when Labor objected the house passed some kind of resolution setting the thing in stone by supporting Abbott. When Abbott withdrew in such an offensive manner he logically couldn&#8217;t because the House had already passed his motion which stands there in Hansard.</p>
<p>Rather than a Gillard thing it seemed clear to me that there is a major strategy to embarrass the Government and its management of the house by attacking the Speaker. Gillard has also been caning him over not taking action to invalidate the votes of some Government members, in an incident where the doors were held open for them to return to the chamber when it should have been shut in their face. Gillard quoted Sneddon as a precedent.</p>
<p>On this the Abbott &#8216;grub&#8217; issue it is clear to me that Labor had a predetermined strategy for the day. At least it looked like that, with Beazley and Albanese supporting Gillard. Others have played bit parts on Monday.</p>
<p>The speaker felt obliged to make a statement that Gillard had been thrown out because she defied the Chair, not because she used the same words as Abbott. Faced with this bit of casuistry and exhortations on everyone to behave Beazley asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Do I understand that, from your statement, that that is in effect a rebuke of the leader of the House for the terminology that he used at the time in the chamber, a rebuke for moving the motion in the terms in which he did, and a rebuke to the Deputy Speaker at the time for the way in which that matter was handled? (quote from <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2006/s1652219.htm" rel="nofollow">our ABC)</a></p></blockquote>
<p>When the Speaker wouldn&#8217;t play ball Beazley then moved that standing orders be set aside so that the house could pass a resolution which basically re-established the norm that everyone should behave decently (not sure of the exact detail here, but it was designed, I think as Labor&#8217;s final play on this one.)</p>
<p>He then delivered a well-crafted speech which had obviously been prepared beforehand.</p>
<p>Abbott said everyone makes mistakes, not the least him.</p>
<p>Albanese quipped that here we have &#8220;confession without contrition&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think how today played out was obviously set up by Beazley, Gillard and Albanese and it worked a treat.</p>
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