Nothing like the Holocaust to bring out the patronising 3dgy wankers. What makes anyone come to a thread like this and trumpet their political views and blame others for the deaths of millions?

If you do not think that both Bolshevism and National Socialism have the same roots in 19th century German athiest rationalist collectivism and socialism you are bloody clueless.

I hope this helps.

The Holocaust, like the Gulags and Mao’s millions slaughtered in his cultural revolution were all the apotheosis of anti-liberal Leftist romances.

Lest We Forget.

I hope this helps.

Answer to why it takes awhile to address certain things.

Some things knock your fucking guts out. The vets there were like that. And survivors.

But Jebus, Mary and all others help us when survivors decide it is the right time to tell.

But what about ‘There Is God’. Can anyone recall any events where you might be inclined to believe that the Hand Of God intervened to save thousands of lives?

The following question has nothing to do with Holocaust deniers, but is there a solid explanation why so many autobiographies/biographies of the WWII leaders, like Churchill. Roosevelt, and the acclaimed histories of that era, like Wilmont’s ‘The Struggle For Europe’ do not mention the six million dead? Were these writers, leaders, embarrassed by the events? Was the true extent of the Holocaust not known in the late 1940s and early 1950s?

Having taken only a serious research-orientated interest in World War II in the last few years, I’m stunned at how many books from the late 1940s and 1950s fail to make mention of the overall Holocaust, though they do discuss the massive death tolls from numerous German camps.

I saw the ‘World At War’ series as a kid in the late ’70s, and that series devoted most of an hour long episode to the Holocaust. So the information was all there in the 1970s. But why not in the 1950s?

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

Try to reinvent the wheel?

Job never really figured it out, either.

That’s a strange reason I still read that book.

And for the others who think the Wicked Wabbit makes humans do what they do, keep dreaming. One day reality may dawn!

Often individuals made the crucial and only difference when it mattered most.

Humans are not nice! End of story.

That is what historians describe as, in a very technical term, a “chickenshit cop-out”.
In an historical event in which bad things happen, it is always specific people and groups who are not nice. In the Nazi holocaust, the topic of the post, there were certain people who were to blame, and other people who were not. Explaining the actions of the guilty away to some ‘human nature’ to which we all have to ‘face up’ is a pathetic and insulting response.

The same place God was during all the other massacres, holocausts, genocides and mass slaughters of the 20th century.

Elsewhere.

Where was God during the slaughter of millions in Rwanda, Somalia and the Congo? Where was God during the firebombing of civilian-filled cities like Dresden and Tokyo? Where was God during the Armenian genocide? Where was God during the massacre of civilians in Algiers, Indonesia, Blieburg, Hama, Taiwan, Seoul, Fallujah? Where was God on September 11? Where was God during the reign of Pol Pot, of Stalin, of Nixon?

Where was God when one-third of the East Timorese population was slaughtered?

Elsewhere.

By the hand of their fellow humans, during times of ‘war’, more than 200 million people were killed between 1900 and 2000.

As shocking as it may be to realise, it is none the less true that the majority of young people in the world today know little about the Holocaust and how this monstrous stain on humanity came to be a reality.

Why?

Because the Holocaust was not an anomaly of the 20th century and the mass killings of humans hasn’t stopped since.

There’s too much money in it. There were millionaires made during the Holocaust, just as there were hundreds of new millionaires made during World War I and thousands made during the rest of World War II.

Just as there are millionaires growing ever richer today from the ongoing slaughter in the Congo, in Darfur, in Iraq.

If the mass killing of other humans was a global industry, then it stands as the most successful and most profitable of the 20th century.

We will never forget.

But what have we learned?

Well gee Daniel, why not just stick your head in the oven now and save yourself the trouble?

What a load of patronising dogshit.

I’ll have one for you, Ron.

Enjoying life to the full.

You’re obviously an idealist, one who it seems has either never read a history book or just those sections which tell you what you want to hear.

Facing up to what humans are, and are not, demonstrates maturity, Liam.

“I go run and get a smoke”

After fourteen years, I still miss them. Life has never been the same since I quit (lengthened though it might be).