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	<title>Comments on: The 2c black hole in Howard&#8217;s AWA defence</title>
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		<title>By: skribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>skribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Brian, I think the worst part of it all was the response from union.  They simply didn&#039;t want to know.  Cold-hearted government bureaucracy I can understand but with the new IR laws this was a clear case where they should have been looking after workers rights.  Apparently not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Brian, I think the worst part of it all was the response from union.  They simply didn&#8217;t want to know.  Cold-hearted government bureaucracy I can understand but with the new IR laws this was a clear case where they should have been looking after workers rights.  Apparently not.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bahnisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 05:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>skribe, I think it is really sad that your wife can&#039;t get what she is clearly entitled to.

I know a couple who for many years ran an industrial cladding business with projects all around Qld and elsewhere. I asked the wife about their experiences with superannuation. She said that right up until they sold their business a couple of years ago they were continually hiring experienced workers who had never been paid super by other employers.

To me this means that a government&#039;s policy is to be judged not on the laws they pass but on the laws they are willing to enforce. I assume, then, that the Howard government believes that super should be optional rather than mandatory.

I think that some of the people who told your wife that they couldn&#039;t help lied to her. What they should have said is that they didn&#039;t want to help, or weren&#039;t funded to help.

I wonder what the local member has to say. I&#039;ve noticed that the surest way to get action seems to be to get the media involved, although not everyone wants to go down that road. I&#039;d be reluctant myself. Afterall you can be sure that Annette Harris only had her conditions restored because of the media exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skribe, I think it is really sad that your wife can&#8217;t get what she is clearly entitled to.</p>
<p>I know a couple who for many years ran an industrial cladding business with projects all around Qld and elsewhere. I asked the wife about their experiences with superannuation. She said that right up until they sold their business a couple of years ago they were continually hiring experienced workers who had never been paid super by other employers.</p>
<p>To me this means that a government&#8217;s policy is to be judged not on the laws they pass but on the laws they are willing to enforce. I assume, then, that the Howard government believes that super should be optional rather than mandatory.</p>
<p>I think that some of the people who told your wife that they couldn&#8217;t help lied to her. What they should have said is that they didn&#8217;t want to help, or weren&#8217;t funded to help.</p>
<p>I wonder what the local member has to say. I&#8217;ve noticed that the surest way to get action seems to be to get the media involved, although not everyone wants to go down that road. I&#8217;d be reluctant myself. Afterall you can be sure that Annette Harris only had her conditions restored because of the media exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Channel 10 news had a shock horror report about WorkChoices tonight - Queensland edition. A printer who was told to work different shifts which would mean that his wife would have to give up work as neither was paid enough to afford child care. When he explained this to the boss, he was sacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Channel 10 news had a shock horror report about WorkChoices tonight &#8211; Queensland edition. A printer who was told to work different shifts which would mean that his wife would have to give up work as neither was paid enough to afford child care. When he explained this to the boss, he was sacked.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, when even dodgy Naomi Robson and the zero-cred mainstream Today Tonight (or whatev) team are running shock-horror reports on NoChoices, and cosying up to Combet - the coalition in are on a hiding to nothing with this one. Serves them right too - pricks.

I&#039;ll say it. *Even Kim Beazley* can get elected on this one. And I mean against Howard. Easy.

Witness the dark horse of your electoral death galloping, Coalition. Its name is Workchoices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when even dodgy Naomi Robson and the zero-cred mainstream Today Tonight (or whatev) team are running shock-horror reports on NoChoices, and cosying up to Combet &#8211; the coalition in are on a hiding to nothing with this one. Serves them right too &#8211; pricks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say it. *Even Kim Beazley* can get elected on this one. And I mean against Howard. Easy.</p>
<p>Witness the dark horse of your electoral death galloping, Coalition. Its name is Workchoices.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Wigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Wigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear about your wife&#039;s employer problems, skribe.

That&#039;s another reason to regret the trashing of my old dept, the CES network. If an employer stuffed around with working conditions then, the wage subsidy agreement was simply torn up and subsidies not paid.

Although the Job Network supposedly replaced the CES, they apparently have neither the power nor the labour market expertise to do this, and don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about your wife&#8217;s employer problems, skribe.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s another reason to regret the trashing of my old dept, the CES network. If an employer stuffed around with working conditions then, the wage subsidy agreement was simply torn up and subsidies not paid.</p>
<p>Although the Job Network supposedly replaced the CES, they apparently have neither the power nor the labour market expertise to do this, and don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: skribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>skribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I know this isn&#039;t part of this thread, but coincidently my wife received a call from the investigating officer today and basically if her employer doesn&#039;t want to pay there&#039;s nothing anyone can do to make him.  Good to know if you&#039;re an employer and want to screw your workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I know this isn&#8217;t part of this thread, but coincidently my wife received a call from the investigating officer today and basically if her employer doesn&#8217;t want to pay there&#8217;s nothing anyone can do to make him.  Good to know if you&#8217;re an employer and want to screw your workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Keeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Trevor. That will teach me to rely on vauguely recalled newspaper accounts rather than check sources (which I did try to do, but stupid pdf software wouldn&#039;t do word search on SEC transcript).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Trevor. That will teach me to rely on vauguely recalled newspaper accounts rather than check sources (which I did try to do, but stupid pdf software wouldn&#8217;t do word search on SEC transcript).</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Peter Macilwaine acknowledged they were registered automatically, regardless of contents.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s not &lt;em&gt;quite&lt;/em&gt; right, though it&#039;s not far off. Agreements that are randomly selected for checking, and happen to contain &quot;prohibited content&quot;, the OEA will write to the employer for an explanation. If no satisfactory explanation is forthcoming, the OEA will remove the prohibited content. The rest of the agreement stands.

However, this only applies to things like allowing paid union safety training. Agreements that undercut the &quot;protected by law&quot; minimum conditions will not be modified --- they&#039;ll be registered regardless, and it will be up to the parties or the OWS to take action in the courts to fix them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Peter Macilwaine acknowledged they were registered automatically, regardless of contents.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not <em>quite</em> right, though it&#8217;s not far off. Agreements that are randomly selected for checking, and happen to contain &#8220;prohibited content&#8221;, the OEA will write to the employer for an explanation. If no satisfactory explanation is forthcoming, the OEA will remove the prohibited content. The rest of the agreement stands.</p>
<p>However, this only applies to things like allowing paid union safety training. Agreements that undercut the &#8220;protected by law&#8221; minimum conditions will not be modified &#8212; they&#8217;ll be registered regardless, and it will be up to the parties or the OWS to take action in the courts to fix them.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, you&#039;re right. The Office of the Employment Advocate used to be required to check each agreement against the no-disadvantage test. You would think that they would now be required to check them against the AFPCS, but in his testimony at the Senate Estimates hearings, the EA said they probably won&#039;t check every agreement, and they haven&#039;t worked out the formula for choosing the sample that will be checked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, you&#8217;re right. The Office of the Employment Advocate used to be required to check each agreement against the no-disadvantage test. You would think that they would now be required to check them against the AFPCS, but in his testimony at the Senate Estimates hearings, the EA said they probably won&#8217;t check every agreement, and they haven&#8217;t worked out the formula for choosing the sample that will be checked.</p>
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		<title>By: skribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>skribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how, Liam.  Despite the fact that he was receiving a subsidy for employing a long-term unemployed he was failing to pay the legal minimum hourly wage, nor paying any additionals - super, penalties, holiday, etc.  He lied when they checked up on him.  He told them she was only working 32 hours when she was putting in 38.  My wife wasn&#039;t asked about her conditions.  Unfortunately there is very little she can do about it.  The union wasn&#039;t interested.  Centrelink wasn&#039;t interested.  The Super board is investigating (has been for over 6 months) but even they think it is grim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how, Liam.  Despite the fact that he was receiving a subsidy for employing a long-term unemployed he was failing to pay the legal minimum hourly wage, nor paying any additionals &#8211; super, penalties, holiday, etc.  He lied when they checked up on him.  He told them she was only working 32 hours when she was putting in 38.  My wife wasn&#8217;t asked about her conditions.  Unfortunately there is very little she can do about it.  The union wasn&#8217;t interested.  Centrelink wasn&#8217;t interested.  The Super board is investigating (has been for over 6 months) but even they think it is grim.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skribe, it sounds very much like your wife&#039;s employer is breaking the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skribe, it sounds very much like your wife&#8217;s employer is breaking the law.</p>
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		<title>By: skribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>skribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As my wife has found out the so-called Superannuation Guarantee is not so guaranteed if the employer doesn&#039;t choose to pay it and doesn&#039;t use payslips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As my wife has found out the so-called Superannuation Guarantee is not so guaranteed if the employer doesn&#8217;t choose to pay it and doesn&#8217;t use payslips.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Keeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, super is covered by Superannuation Guarantee Act. 9% employer contribution is based on ordinary time earnings plus wide range of allowances (including shift penalties).

So quite the nice little earner for employers taking advantage of SerfChoices. 

On the question of supervision of agreements, an agreement can&#039;t become lawful unless it&#039;s registered with the Office of Employment Advocate. However during Senate Estimates last week OEA head Peter Macilwaine acknowledged they were registered automatically, regardless of contents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, super is covered by Superannuation Guarantee Act. 9% employer contribution is based on ordinary time earnings plus wide range of allowances (including shift penalties).</p>
<p>So quite the nice little earner for employers taking advantage of SerfChoices. </p>
<p>On the question of supervision of agreements, an agreement can&#8217;t become lawful unless it&#8217;s registered with the Office of Employment Advocate. However during Senate Estimates last week OEA head Peter Macilwaine acknowledged they were registered automatically, regardless of contents.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bahnisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, our experience in a large government department like education is that the union is often the best and most reliable source of information even about things like policy.

You wouldn&#039;t want to be without it, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, our experience in a large government department like education is that the union is often the best and most reliable source of information even about things like policy.</p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t want to be without it, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Wigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Wigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This raises the issue of supervision. I’m not sure of the technicalities here, but I did hear that the supervisory body was not investigating every individual complaint.&quot;

This is where the Kennett deregulatory award system and later its handballing of IR to the Commonwealth went seriously off the rails in the 90s. In Western Vic the old DLI retained a couple of staff at Geelong to explain things to employers and the odd persistent employee. But it was almost impossible to get through to them.

It became maddening to employers in very small businesses who would ring us (at the CES, albeit we had no role, other than general experience with awards) in despair. The Canberra number we had for such things was even more frustrating. A business person could waste several hours trying to get through and even then not get reliable information.

There are, as Obby has made clear, many (possibly most) employers trying to do the right thing by employees and adhere to the law if they knew what it was.

An award sounded a bit red-tapish, but it actually simplified things for many employers. As AWAs came in, most employers in our district simply borrowed from the old awards. Just as it was simpler to take tax and accounting issues to an accountant, so it was easier to work from established guidelines, especially for areas like OH&amp;S. I probably missed a business opportunity by not setting up as an award/IR&quot;consultant&quot;,notwithstanding that my expertise was not in that field.

There will be quite a few rogue elements like Spotlight and the various meatworks who exploit this new situation. That will create plenty more Howard-haters among employees. There are probably plenty of other employers who want to do the right thing, cannot get prompt or reliable government advice, who will want to talk to unions not for industrial peace but to try and make sense of employment conditions. A lot of them may also thing about a change of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This raises the issue of supervision. I’m not sure of the technicalities here, but I did hear that the supervisory body was not investigating every individual complaint.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is where the Kennett deregulatory award system and later its handballing of IR to the Commonwealth went seriously off the rails in the 90s. In Western Vic the old DLI retained a couple of staff at Geelong to explain things to employers and the odd persistent employee. But it was almost impossible to get through to them.</p>
<p>It became maddening to employers in very small businesses who would ring us (at the CES, albeit we had no role, other than general experience with awards) in despair. The Canberra number we had for such things was even more frustrating. A business person could waste several hours trying to get through and even then not get reliable information.</p>
<p>There are, as Obby has made clear, many (possibly most) employers trying to do the right thing by employees and adhere to the law if they knew what it was.</p>
<p>An award sounded a bit red-tapish, but it actually simplified things for many employers. As AWAs came in, most employers in our district simply borrowed from the old awards. Just as it was simpler to take tax and accounting issues to an accountant, so it was easier to work from established guidelines, especially for areas like OH&amp;S. I probably missed a business opportunity by not setting up as an award/IR&#8221;consultant&#8221;,notwithstanding that my expertise was not in that field.</p>
<p>There will be quite a few rogue elements like Spotlight and the various meatworks who exploit this new situation. That will create plenty more Howard-haters among employees. There are probably plenty of other employers who want to do the right thing, cannot get prompt or reliable government advice, who will want to talk to unions not for industrial peace but to try and make sense of employment conditions. A lot of them may also thing about a change of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bahnisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The five minimum conditions of the Australian Fair Pay and Conditions Standard (the Standard):

1. a federal minimum wage, minimum award classification rates of pay, and casual loadings set by the Australian Fair Pay Commission;

2. four weeks paid annual leave per year (five weeks for continouos shift employees) up to two weeks of which can be cashed out in a workplace agreement;  

3. ten days paid personal/carer&#039;s leave per year and two days compassionate leave per occasion;

4.  up to 52 weeks unpaid parental leave (maternity, paternity and adoption); and,

5.  maximum ordinary hours of work limited to 38 hours per week (which can be averaged over twelve months in an agreement or award) and reasonable additional hours.

My source is a printout of the official pamphlet which was attached to the online Spotlight job application form. I say was, because it seems to have been taken down from the net.

Andrews was lauding his AWAs as a U-beaut agreement with rolled gold solid safety net conditions. So you not only get a job but you get these extra conditions as well. These conditions are seen as a privilege rather than as a right.

I&#039;m not sure about superannuation. Wouldn&#039;t it be included in ther federal minimum wage, and covered by other legislation?

This raises the issue of supervision. I&#039;m not sure of the technicalities here, but I did hear that the supervisory body was not investigating every individual complaint. Rather it was looking for patterns and relying on exemplarary interventions to keep employers in order. The effect of this can erode drastically over time if there are staff cuts to the regulatory body to the point where it becomes irrelevant to the practice in the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The five minimum conditions of the Australian Fair Pay and Conditions Standard (the Standard):</p>
<p>1. a federal minimum wage, minimum award classification rates of pay, and casual loadings set by the Australian Fair Pay Commission;</p>
<p>2. four weeks paid annual leave per year (five weeks for continouos shift employees) up to two weeks of which can be cashed out in a workplace agreement;  </p>
<p>3. ten days paid personal/carer&#8217;s leave per year and two days compassionate leave per occasion;</p>
<p>4.  up to 52 weeks unpaid parental leave (maternity, paternity and adoption); and,</p>
<p>5.  maximum ordinary hours of work limited to 38 hours per week (which can be averaged over twelve months in an agreement or award) and reasonable additional hours.</p>
<p>My source is a printout of the official pamphlet which was attached to the online Spotlight job application form. I say was, because it seems to have been taken down from the net.</p>
<p>Andrews was lauding his AWAs as a U-beaut agreement with rolled gold solid safety net conditions. So you not only get a job but you get these extra conditions as well. These conditions are seen as a privilege rather than as a right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about superannuation. Wouldn&#8217;t it be included in ther federal minimum wage, and covered by other legislation?</p>
<p>This raises the issue of supervision. I&#8217;m not sure of the technicalities here, but I did hear that the supervisory body was not investigating every individual complaint. Rather it was looking for patterns and relying on exemplarary interventions to keep employers in order. The effect of this can erode drastically over time if there are staff cuts to the regulatory body to the point where it becomes irrelevant to the practice in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Wigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Wigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your analysis is right on again, Brian.

Here in Warrnambool ( a resort town with lots of weekend opening), Spotlight does not open Sundays. Until very recently it did not open Saturday afternoons, but I think they might now have extended to 5pm. Sundays are still out.

It is possible that the new conditions might lead to Sunday openings. So from the other side you could argue that service is being extended. But the decision to open or not is likely to depend on demand (fairly weak for a specialty store).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your analysis is right on again, Brian.</p>
<p>Here in Warrnambool ( a resort town with lots of weekend opening), Spotlight does not open Sundays. Until very recently it did not open Saturday afternoons, but I think they might now have extended to 5pm. Sundays are still out.</p>
<p>It is possible that the new conditions might lead to Sunday openings. So from the other side you could argue that service is being extended. But the decision to open or not is likely to depend on demand (fairly weak for a specialty store).</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Keeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Brian, superannuation contributions for a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Brian, superannuation contributions for a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bahnisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description>boredinHk, I didn&#039;t see the initial press coverage of Annette Harris and the Coff&#039;s Harbour store, but I tried to work it out from details given by Stephen Smith in Parliament. I came to the conclusion that she must have been working Thursday nights, Saturdays and Sundays. Our nearest Spotlight (Indooroopilly in Brisbane) isn&#039;t open on Sundays. I suspect that most Spotlight&#039;s are in smaller home-type shopping centres rather than in the regional centres (Westfield and such) where they are more accessible and the rents are cheaper.

In my post Spotlight (link in Mark&#039;s post) I said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The net effect is a shift from wages to profits of &lt;b&gt;up to&lt;/b&gt; $91 per week for each worker.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suspect the savings to the employer could be more if other conditions that don&#039;t turn up as pay in the weekly wage are stripped away. Afterall the employer has to budget for these as &#039;on-costs&#039;.

Opening hours vary from state to state, but I imagine Coff&#039;s Harbour may be open on Sundays for the same reasons that resort towns in Qld usually are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boredinHk, I didn&#8217;t see the initial press coverage of Annette Harris and the Coff&#8217;s Harbour store, but I tried to work it out from details given by Stephen Smith in Parliament. I came to the conclusion that she must have been working Thursday nights, Saturdays and Sundays. Our nearest Spotlight (Indooroopilly in Brisbane) isn&#8217;t open on Sundays. I suspect that most Spotlight&#8217;s are in smaller home-type shopping centres rather than in the regional centres (Westfield and such) where they are more accessible and the rents are cheaper.</p>
<p>In my post Spotlight (link in Mark&#8217;s post) I said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The net effect is a shift from wages to profits of <b>up to</b> $91 per week for each worker.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect the savings to the employer could be more if other conditions that don&#8217;t turn up as pay in the weekly wage are stripped away. Afterall the employer has to budget for these as &#8216;on-costs&#8217;.</p>
<p>Opening hours vary from state to state, but I imagine Coff&#8217;s Harbour may be open on Sundays for the same reasons that resort towns in Qld usually are.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure of your point, wpd. I certainly have ideas about how an equitable workplace relations system which balances fairness and economic flexibility could be put into place (and it wouldn&#039;t be a return to the past). However, at the moment, I think the main strategy needs to be exposing what is actually going on. The legislation is so arcane that it&#039;s easy for the government to get away with telling half-truths which mask its real effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure of your point, wpd. I certainly have ideas about how an equitable workplace relations system which balances fairness and economic flexibility could be put into place (and it wouldn&#8217;t be a return to the past). However, at the moment, I think the main strategy needs to be exposing what is actually going on. The legislation is so arcane that it&#8217;s easy for the government to get away with telling half-truths which mask its real effects.</p>
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