http://www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance/

http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2006/08/where-theres-smoke.html

I’m not adverse to the idea that some photographs were staged but we know how many people were killed and what families they came from. My main issue is with the demonstratably false notion of the ‘time line’ and the ‘missing hours.’

Also the innuendo in the link provided is not convincing. Again it is speculation based on nothing concrete.

As for the PR war, Israel immediately acknowledged responsibility for the attack and the killings and apologised profusely. it was only the blogs that started to raise questions about the authenticity of what was alleged to have happened.

As for your first point I find nothing strange in regards to people checking for damage after an attack. It is likely that the collapse of the wall was the result of the first attack and people have claimed a second attack in error.

However like Hezbollah, the IDF wants to win the PR battle as well and I don’t trust information from both sides. The IDF initially claimed that the target was the site of rocket attacks, a claim they later retracted.

The Qana attack may be murky on details but that doesn’t justify the absurd allegations arising out of the right side of the blogosphere. The whole edifice the conspiracy theorie is built upon has collapsed.

Some commentary on whether the pictures where staged is here.

After the initial strike, some of the building’s residents exited in an attempt to survey the damage, in effect saving themselves.

A few minutes later, IAF planes struck the building once again, causing the walls to collapse on the residents who did not vacate, killing them in the process.

So some got out to take a look around, and left all those kids inside? Besides, the IDF said they ony attacked the building once.

Keeping in mind that Qana is a Hizbollah stronghold. Acccording to hours-old reports on CNN and Fox, Qana was the site from the which the latest attacks on Haifa were launched (3 dead, 189 wounded). The IDF claims to have destroyed the responsible missile installations.

What’s your information on Green Helmet?

I agree that there was an inflated body count and that could be Hezbollah but it could also be a case of confusion (remember the initial reports coming out of New York re casulties on 911?)

Even funnier is the fact the mysterious “Green Helmet” has a name and has been interviewed by the MSM a number of times. Why let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy?

The alleged inconsistencies regarding Qana is just your normal war zone SNAFU. I agree there may have been Hezbollah using it for propaganda. Then again how is that any different from those promoting the conspiracy theories regarding Qana?

Rob, can you work out what the problem is with the alleged timeline?

Al-Sahaf is probably most known for his daily press briefings in Baghdad during the 2003 Iraq War, where his lies, fantasies, and colourful description of his enemies reached meteoric heights as the war progressed and caused him to be nicknamed Baghdad Bob (in the style of “Hanoi Hannah” or “Seoul City Sue”)

Here’s what conspiracy Rob and Baghdad Bob seem to have in common:

When asked where he had gotten his information he replied “authentic sources – many authentic sources”

like wacko wingnut conspiracy sites no less.

Really scraping the barrel for pathetic excuses Rob, nobody but wingnuts wants to debate your conspiracy fantasies.

Factoids for thought, though:

The IDF certainly bombed Qana – at around 0100 hours. Apparently the building collapsed at 0800. Somewhat surprisingly, there actually seems to be some question as to whether the IAF hit the building at all. The IDF claim the building was used as an explosives store. Evacuation only commenced when the TV cameras were there. No wounded were shown being evacuated. 28 bodies were recovered, according to the Lebanese Red Cross, not 54, as reported by the MSM, and 19 of them were children. Those shown to the media – brandished at the media might be a better description, the poor things were handled like rag dolls. They showed no signs of bleeding or the kind of trauma one would expect if they had been killed by an explosion or by falling debris. No building dust appeared present. In some cases, rigor mortis appeared to be well established, indicating death took place some time prior (though there is debate about this).

1. The IDF admits bombing Qana.
2. Rob deems it a Hezbollah fake-up.

This is, on the face of it, completely out of touch with reality. Now at the vanguard of apologism, you’ve even left the Israelis behind.

Come back towards the light and I’ll start reading your links.