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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/20/first-week-wrap-up-on-the-qld-election-campaign/#comment-305496</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected!</description>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/20/first-week-wrap-up-on-the-qld-election-campaign/#comment-305495</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah - a majority&#039;s about how many votes you win by and every seat that changes hands shifts that majority by two. 

Consider, in a division the government has 59 &#039;ayes&#039; (60 minus the Speaker) and the opposition et al has 29 &#039;nays&#039;. The ayes have it by a majority of 30.

But before the three by-elections, the government had 62 votes and the others had 26 - a majority of 36.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah &#8211; a majority&#8217;s about how many votes you win by and every seat that changes hands shifts that majority by two. </p>
<p>Consider, in a division the government has 59 &#8216;ayes&#8217; (60 minus the Speaker) and the opposition et al has 29 &#8216;nays&#8217;. The ayes have it by a majority of 30.</p>
<p>But before the three by-elections, the government had 62 votes and the others had 26 &#8211; a majority of 36.</p>
<p>d</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/20/first-week-wrap-up-on-the-qld-election-campaign/#comment-305494</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Stephen is right that Mark is right.

But electoral mathematics does seem to be an imprecise art!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Stephen is right that Mark is right.</p>
<p>But electoral mathematics does seem to be an imprecise art!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/20/first-week-wrap-up-on-the-qld-election-campaign/#comment-305493</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darryl, 45 seats is a majority. Labor currently have 59 (Cate Molloy resigned from the ALP today, and given the dynamics in that seat, it&#039;s much more sensible to regard it as Independent held than ALP held). Therefore 16 is the difference between where Labor is now and having to form a government based on providing the Speaker - ie on a casting vote, or another way of looking at it, forming a minority government with a re-elected Molloy supporting them on confidence and supply. I think! The maths seems to have become really complex since they lost all those bloody by-elections!

Anyway, I think that&#039;s right, but I&#039;ve confused myself enough that it may be wrong. Where these errors slip into Crikey is the very tight deadlines. And the fact, I guess, that contributors are not full time op/edders who have all day to think about every nuance of their copy.

I&#039;d be more than happy to be corrected on the reasoning above!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl, 45 seats is a majority. Labor currently have 59 (Cate Molloy resigned from the ALP today, and given the dynamics in that seat, it&#8217;s much more sensible to regard it as Independent held than ALP held). Therefore 16 is the difference between where Labor is now and having to form a government based on providing the Speaker &#8211; ie on a casting vote, or another way of looking at it, forming a minority government with a re-elected Molloy supporting them on confidence and supply. I think! The maths seems to have become really complex since they lost all those bloody by-elections!</p>
<p>Anyway, I think that&#8217;s right, but I&#8217;ve confused myself enough that it may be wrong. Where these errors slip into Crikey is the very tight deadlines. And the fact, I guess, that contributors are not full time op/edders who have all day to think about every nuance of their copy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be more than happy to be corrected on the reasoning above!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure its an error Darryl, I&#039;m not a Queenslander, but if Beattie has 60 seats out of 89, he requires a drop to 44 seats to lose government, giving non-Labour 45 seats to form government. (60-44)= results in 16 seats changing hands.

On LP it&#039;s all been maths, maths and more maths (I haven&#039;t done so much maths since I was at high-school). Who can forget Joe Cambria&#039;s Feral Abacus Suggeting Muslim&#039;s are Going to Populate All of Europe now there was a high-water mark in voodoo mathematics. It was almost as non-sensical as Dana Vale, almost I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure its an error Darryl, I&#8217;m not a Queenslander, but if Beattie has 60 seats out of 89, he requires a drop to 44 seats to lose government, giving non-Labour 45 seats to form government. (60-44)= results in 16 seats changing hands.</p>
<p>On LP it&#8217;s all been maths, maths and more maths (I haven&#8217;t done so much maths since I was at high-school). Who can forget Joe Cambria&#8217;s Feral Abacus Suggeting Muslim&#8217;s are Going to Populate All of Europe now there was a high-water mark in voodoo mathematics. It was almost as non-sensical as Dana Vale, almost I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/20/first-week-wrap-up-on-the-qld-election-campaign/#comment-305491</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we&#039;re friends and all I&#039;ll refrain from writing a snarky letter to crikey about this particular electoral fact-check failure:

&quot;Labor would have been re-elected with its majority of 16 cut only by 5&quot;

Labor currently holds 60 seats in a parliament of 89 which is a tad more than a 16 seat majority. Which I know you know, so I&#039;m a-wondering, did this error creep in via an editor, or was it a little slip on your part? (and if the latter, what is it about writing for Crikey that provokes these sort of silly errors from its contributors?)

I know what you were trying to say, that Labor must lose 16 seats to lose it&#039;s majority, but I&#039;m in a &#039;better living through pedantry&#039; phase at the moment.

d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we&#8217;re friends and all I&#8217;ll refrain from writing a snarky letter to crikey about this particular electoral fact-check failure:</p>
<p>&#8220;Labor would have been re-elected with its majority of 16 cut only by 5&#8243;</p>
<p>Labor currently holds 60 seats in a parliament of 89 which is a tad more than a 16 seat majority. Which I know you know, so I&#8217;m a-wondering, did this error creep in via an editor, or was it a little slip on your part? (and if the latter, what is it about writing for Crikey that provokes these sort of silly errors from its contributors?)</p>
<p>I know what you were trying to say, that Labor must lose 16 seats to lose it&#8217;s majority, but I&#8217;m in a &#8216;better living through pedantry&#8217; phase at the moment.</p>
<p>d</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/20/first-week-wrap-up-on-the-qld-election-campaign/#comment-305490</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Update&lt;/b&gt;: Over at Qld election blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://currumbin2cook.nationalforum.com.au/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Currumbin2Cook&lt;/a&gt;, Graham Young reproduces his &lt;a href=&quot;http://currumbin2cook.nationalforum.com.au/archives/001554.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sunday Mail column&lt;/a&gt;, analyses the influence of factionalism in the Libs on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://currumbin2cook.nationalforum.com.au/archives/001556.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robina preselection&lt;/a&gt; and expresses some doubts about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://currumbin2cook.nationalforum.com.au/archives/001558.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sunday Mail polls&lt;/a&gt;, with which I concur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Update</b>: Over at Qld election blog <a href="http://currumbin2cook.nationalforum.com.au/" rel="nofollow">Currumbin2Cook</a>, Graham Young reproduces his <a href="http://currumbin2cook.nationalforum.com.au/archives/001554.html" rel="nofollow">Sunday Mail column</a>, analyses the influence of factionalism in the Libs on the <a href="http://currumbin2cook.nationalforum.com.au/archives/001556.html" rel="nofollow">Robina preselection</a> and expresses some doubts about the <a href="http://currumbin2cook.nationalforum.com.au/archives/001558.html" rel="nofollow">Sunday Mail polls</a>, with which I concur.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Darlene, I&#039;m enjoying writing about it!

The blog break is specifically to free up time to cover the election campaign for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crikey.com.au&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crikey&lt;/a&gt;. So I&#039;m not doing non election blogging, commenting, or blog moderation/administration. But I am blogging on the election.

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/19/blog-semi-hiatus-and-bleg-on-spaces-of-utopia/

Make sense?

There are currently 7 independents. Their chief importance this time round is that with the exception of Gympie and Noosa (ex ONP and Labor MPs respectively) they all hold seats the Nats need to win, and it&#039;s going to be very difficult for the Nats to do so. You wouldn&#039;t rate John B-P&#039;s chances highly in his dad&#039;s former seat, for instance, as Dolly Pratt is well and truly dug in. So it makes it harder for the Nats to pick up seats, and thus puts the onus on the Libs to do the heavy lifting to win Labor seats. That factors both into the tensions in the Coalition about what happens if the Libs come first in seats, and the extreme difficulty of them winning anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Darlene, I&#8217;m enjoying writing about it!</p>
<p>The blog break is specifically to free up time to cover the election campaign for <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au" rel="nofollow">Crikey</a>. So I&#8217;m not doing non election blogging, commenting, or blog moderation/administration. But I am blogging on the election.</p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/19/blog-semi-hiatus-and-bleg-on-spaces-of-utopia/" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/19/blog-semi-hiatus-and-bleg-on-spaces-of-utopia/</a></p>
<p>Make sense?</p>
<p>There are currently 7 independents. Their chief importance this time round is that with the exception of Gympie and Noosa (ex ONP and Labor MPs respectively) they all hold seats the Nats need to win, and it&#8217;s going to be very difficult for the Nats to do so. You wouldn&#8217;t rate John B-P&#8217;s chances highly in his dad&#8217;s former seat, for instance, as Dolly Pratt is well and truly dug in. So it makes it harder for the Nats to pick up seats, and thus puts the onus on the Libs to do the heavy lifting to win Labor seats. That factors both into the tensions in the Coalition about what happens if the Libs come first in seats, and the extreme difficulty of them winning anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/08/20/first-week-wrap-up-on-the-qld-election-campaign/#comment-305488</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am enjoying your election coverage, Mark. 

I thought you were taking a blog break. It&#039;s a hard thing to do.

My old Political Science blatherer, Paul Reynolds, used to waffle on about the importance of independents in Queensland in recent years. I&#039;d be interested to know whether this is a factor this time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am enjoying your election coverage, Mark. </p>
<p>I thought you were taking a blog break. It&#8217;s a hard thing to do.</p>
<p>My old Political Science blatherer, Paul Reynolds, used to waffle on about the importance of independents in Queensland in recent years. I&#8217;d be interested to know whether this is a factor this time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think perhaps you&#039;d have to look at published election studies rather than find it online, wpd, but I strongly suspect that factor worked against Goss in 95 and Kennett in 99 and probably Greiner way back when too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think perhaps you&#8217;d have to look at published election studies rather than find it online, wpd, but I strongly suspect that factor worked against Goss in 95 and Kennett in 99 and probably Greiner way back when too.</p>
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