Comments on: Queenslanders and their baseball bats http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:01:05 +0000 hourly 1 By: Tony http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-141289 Tony Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:02:49 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-141289 They must be showing different TV ads in the bush than in Brisvegas, Mark - haven't seen one with an IR theme yet. Plenty on employment, prosperity, coalition disunity, and the general laughable mistakes of the opposition. They must be showing different TV ads in the bush than in Brisvegas, Mark – haven’t seen one with an IR theme yet. Plenty on employment, prosperity, coalition disunity, and the general laughable mistakes of the opposition.

]]> By: Stephen L http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-141199 Stephen L Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:13:58 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-141199 "But it’s also always been the case that Australian electors like to balance a Commonwealth government of one partisan stripe with State governments of the other." Not really. Between 1955 and 1999 Victoria had 8 years of having state governments on the other side from federal, and 36 years where they were the same. I haven't done the maths but I suspect that only NSW and Tasmania have spent more time with contrasting governments than the same party in at each level. I think that backlashes against the party in power at the other level probably only really took hold about 1970, and has been growing since then. “But it’s also always been the case that Australian electors like to balance a Commonwealth government of one partisan stripe with State governments of the other.”

Not really. Between 1955 and 1999 Victoria had 8 years of having state governments on the other side from federal, and 36 years where they were the same. I haven’t done the maths but I suspect that only NSW and Tasmania have spent more time with contrasting governments than the same party in at each level.

I think that backlashes against the party in power at the other level probably only really took hold about 1970, and has been growing since then.

]]> By: Cliff http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-141192 Cliff Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:07:33 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-141192 I'm guessing that Labor's rollback will not be complete, in that they will retain Howard's interpretation of the Corporations power (assuming the HC doesn't overturn it) and use the centralised system for their own purposes. Howard won't be so pleased by his precedent-setting legacy then... and neither will the Liberal State Governments which will no doubt arise after Labor is established Federally. I’m guessing that Labor’s rollback will not be complete, in that they will retain Howard’s interpretation of the Corporations power (assuming the HC doesn’t overturn it) and use the centralised system for their own purposes. Howard won’t be so pleased by his precedent-setting legacy then… and neither will the Liberal State Governments which will no doubt arise after Labor is established Federally.

]]> By: Cliff http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-141189 Cliff Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:04:53 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-141189 There was talk on Insiders last sunday about the State's returning to deficit spending now that there are renewed demands for substantial Gov't investment in infrastructure. If States start doing this it will no doubt put greater upward pressure on interest rates... which could well bite politically on the Federal level. Needless to say, there is no airlock between the State and Federal levels. There was talk on Insiders last sunday about the State’s returning to deficit spending now that there are renewed demands for substantial Gov’t investment in infrastructure. If States start doing this it will no doubt put greater upward pressure on interest rates… which could well bite politically on the Federal level. Needless to say, there is no airlock between the State and Federal levels.

]]> By: wpd http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-140986 wpd Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:02:16 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-140986 <blockquote>The sky hasn’t fallen on IR and it was never going to</blockquote> Spot on! But informed opinion suggested that the floor will rot away. It has started. And if you talk to political staffers in the Liberal Party, they are worried about the amount of venom in the community. Don't be surprised if the 'rollback' comes from JW Howard, using the excuse of 'fine tuning'.

The sky hasn’t fallen on IR and it was never going to

Spot on! But informed opinion suggested that the floor will rot away. It has started. And if you talk to political staffers in the Liberal Party, they are worried about the amount of venom in the community.

Don’t be surprised if the ‘rollback’ comes from JW Howard, using the excuse of ‘fine tuning’.

]]> By: Christo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-140983 Christo Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:00:05 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-140983 Yep, I'm still all for roll-back but it is interesting that the sacked workers have started their own shop. I can't see how it logically follows that they'll all be on self-imposed AWAs... Yep, I’m still all for roll-back but it is interesting that the sacked workers have started their own shop. I can’t see how it logically follows that they’ll all be on self-imposed AWAs…

]]> By: observa http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-140973 observa Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:46:49 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-140973 The silly thing is, even if Labor win federally, they won't go back to the old unfair, unfair dismissal laws anyway, which was really all that IR was about. As for overturning AWAs for lucky miners and the like, that won't happen either. The sky hasn't fallen on IR and it was never going to, because it was all about keeping union leaders in their sheltered workshop, rather than singing for their supper like the rest of us. Unions are for big biz and big govt nowadays and the majority of us are not employed by them. Notice how the union's example of the Cowra meatworkers panned out? An employer behaving badly and why? Because the enterprise was going down the gurgler. Did the union save the worker's jobs? Not bloody likely. That was left to the new meatworks down the road already setup by former workers in competition with the Cowra meatworks and bleeding its best staff. They're probably all on AWAs by mutual agreement, after seeing the pitfalls of the union shop down the road. Anyone still for Rollback? The silly thing is, even if Labor win federally, they won’t go back to the old unfair, unfair dismissal laws anyway, which was really all that IR was about. As for overturning AWAs for lucky miners and the like, that won’t happen either. The sky hasn’t fallen on IR and it was never going to, because it was all about keeping union leaders in their sheltered workshop, rather than singing for their supper like the rest of us. Unions are for big biz and big govt nowadays and the majority of us are not employed by them. Notice how the union’s example of the Cowra meatworkers panned out? An employer behaving badly and why? Because the enterprise was going down the gurgler. Did the union save the worker’s jobs? Not bloody likely. That was left to the new meatworks down the road already setup by former workers in competition with the Cowra meatworks and bleeding its best staff. They’re probably all on AWAs by mutual agreement, after seeing the pitfalls of the union shop down the road.
Anyone still for Rollback?

]]> By: Darlene http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-140971 Darlene Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:43:58 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-140971 Pushing federal issues at a state level or vice-versa is smart stuff. Most people get annoyed when someone fobs them off with a "this is not our jurisdiction" type response, even if it is true. I think that those of us living in Victoria might be interested in seeing a similar analysis of politics down here as we get closer to the state election. Pushing federal issues at a state level or vice-versa is smart stuff. Most people get annoyed when someone fobs them off with a “this is not our jurisdiction” type response, even if it is true.

I think that those of us living in Victoria might be interested in seeing a similar analysis of politics down here as we get closer to the state election.

]]> By: Christo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-140928 Christo Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:56:28 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-140928 No arguments here. It's like a Greek tragedy except here you really really want the Liberals' hubris to speed their downfall, the sooner the better. No arguments here. It’s like a Greek tragedy except here you really really want the Liberals’ hubris to speed their downfall, the sooner the better.

]]> By: wpd http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/comment-page-1/#comment-140927 wpd Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:56:16 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/06/queenslanders-and-their-baseball-bats/#comment-140927 <blockquote> He’ll be more likely calculating what his super payout is.</blockquote> He won't be entitled to anything other than a refund of his contributions. I think.

He’ll be more likely calculating what his super payout is.

He won’t be entitled to anything other than a refund of his contributions. I think.

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