Do we need to worrry about sedition laws

I saw this posted in a MySpace group called “President Bush is an a$sh@le!!! a couple of days ago. I only just got to post it due to BTS hassles, now resolved:

Credible threat? Feds question teen over Web page
By LAUREL ROSENHALL and RYAN LILLIS – The Sacramento Bee – 10/14/06
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The latest Sacramento resident to be questioned by federal agents for threatening President Bush is a 14-year-old girl with a heart on her backpack and braces on her teeth, a freckle-nosed adolescent who is passionate about liberal politics and cute movie stars.

…Her name is Julia Wilson, and she learned a vivid civics lesson Wednesday when two Secret Service agents pulled her out of biology class to ask about comments and images she posted on MySpace.

Beneath the words ‘‘Kill Bush, ’’ Wilson posted a cartoonish photo-collage of a knife stabbing the hand of the President. It was one of a few images Wilson said she used to decorate an anti-Bush Web page she moderated on MySpace, the social networking Web site that is hugely popular among teenagers.

It was a 15- to 20-minute interview, Julia said. Agents asked her about her father’s job, her e-mail address, and her social security number. They asked about the MySpace page she had created last year as an eighth-grader at Sutter Middle School.

‘‘I told them I just really don’t agree with Bush’s politics, ’’ Julia said Thursday. ‘‘I don’t have any plans of harming Bush in any way. I’m very peaceful, I just don’t like Bush.’’

The MySpace page under question was a group page, similar to an online club.

I think it might be worth seeing if there’s a similar “Prime Minister Howard…” group on MySpace.au

Do we have to be paranoid, or is it just a survival technique?

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28 Responses to “Do we need to worrry about sedition laws”


  1. 1 LeinadNo Gravatar

    It’s USSS policy (and has been for yonks) to investigate all and any potential death threats to the President, no matter how stupid and heavyhanded it makes them look.

    Nothing to see here.

  2. 2 Bernice BalconeyNo Gravatar

    Well if you’ve read Joan Didion’s piece on Cheney in the Oct 5th ed. of New York Review of Books….you should be very very scared.

  3. 3 YobboNo Gravatar

    What leinad said. Every threat against every US president ever has been investigated the same way.

    The only difference now is that instead of blowhards saying “Id like to kill the president” down the pub, they can now post it on their website where the secret service can find it.

  4. 4 NabakovNo Gravatar

    And the US has four Presidents assassinated over the past 140 years, an astounding record for a major Western power in that timeframe. And not one of the shooters clearly announced their intention in advance. Or their backers.

    Cue JFK theories. Personally I think Elvis whacked the Haircut. Why? It’s the vibe man.

  5. 5 LeinadNo Gravatar

    US Presidential Assassination Quiz!

    Name the four Presidents, the dates of the attempts and their (non-conspiracy theory) assassins. Bonus points for naming FOUR serious unsuccessful attempts on same or other presidents.

  6. 6 NabakovNo Gravatar

    “US Presidential Assassination Quiz!”

    Have you heard of this thing called Google? Kinda takes the fun out of impromptu blog triva comps.

    Although I’d argue it was not so much Guiteau that killed Garfield as the ignorance of the medical industry back then. “Wash my hands!? Are you deranged by this tragedy sir!?”

    A point worth remembering by those in power now who cut funding for stem cell research.

    You can’t have too much medical research.

  7. 7 LeinadNo Gravatar

    You’re right Nabsy. I should’ve said no googling, and banned you from partaking as well. How did I know you were going to be the first to mention Garfield?

  8. 8 MarkNo Gravatar

    I think we need pub trivia rules. No googling, no mobile phones.

    Who’s bringing the greasy pizza and the jugs of beer?

  9. 9 Lefty ENo Gravatar

    Cue my annual hilarious mention of the Harold Holt Swim Centre. http://www.stonnington.vic.gov.au/lifestyle/sport/aquatics/haroldholt

  10. 10 Eric BlairNo Gravatar

    On a more serious note, I have been checking out the John Howard groups on MySpace, here’s the numbers:

    Pro-Howard Groups
    Awesome John Howard Fan Club: 43 members

    John Howard Fan Club: 30 members
    John Howard makes me giggle: 16 members

    Anti-Howard Groups
    Email John Howard: 726 members

    John Howard needs to be made to think about what he’s done to this country.

    Against John Howard and the Australian Liberal Party: 264 members

    These seem like pretty tame groups, at least from their names, but these recent posts to Against JH…might give some antsy spooks something to think about:
    Posted: 4 Oct 2006 10:19 AM

    Yep. He needs to be dragged from Parliament kicking and screaming too by a horde of pissed off unionists and the like and banished from the grounds of Parliament…only after he is thrown around like a beach ball and strung up by the feet with the rest of his cabinet and beaten like a pinata with foam bats…oh sorry there goes my day dreaming…lol

    Posted: 29 Aug 2006 3:46 AM

    This is what most people dont relise… It’s not only illegal to think things or be accociated with people or ideas but that that the government can bitch slap you with detainment or surveilence whenever it suits. It’s about intimidation, shock tactics, and sending a message of fear. As far as I’m cocerned, the only response to these tactics is to laugh in the face of them and piss on their laws and ideologies. The sad thing is, all the major parties are comitted to ‘the war on terror’. as if the nature of war has changed somehow in the last 10 years.they havent.

    A juvenile’s post, but strong sentiments.
    The other anti-Howard groups are quite small. Well, they’re tiny in fact, but the names are certainly *in your face*. Perhaps one reason they don’t attract many people:

    Anti-Howard C()nts: 22 members

    PM John Howard is an a$sl!ck3r: 4 members

    Howard the Coward: 3 members

    I’d be interested to know how many of ASIO’s recent graduate recruits who are tasked with *open source* intelligence gathering are masquerading as 14-y.o. kids to surveil this group of anti-social teens and tweens.

  11. 11 MarkNo Gravatar

    I think it’s more interesting that myspace is being used in this way. Political as well as social networking.

  12. 12 MarkNo Gravatar
  13. 13 Eric BlairNo Gravatar

    Yeah Mark, the Against JH group seems active; there are posts advertising a rally at Parliament House on 16 November and backposts about the ACTU’s WorkChoices [puke] demos earlier in the year.

  14. 14 MarkNo Gravatar

    I wrote in my Griffith Review article recently about the use of social networking sites among Gen Y folks for political purposes, Eric. I also had in mind the politics of identity and community, but I’m not surprised, particularly after having attended TINA! in Newcastle recently, to see this level of activity. While sites like vibewire try to harness youth activism and interest in public affairs online, it’s not surprising as well to see it bubbling up from below. It would be interesting to look more closely to see whether it’s partisan in the sense of associated with organised groups. I suspect some is, some isn’t.

  15. 15 NabakovNo Gravatar

    Why not just conduct yer whole bloody campaign in cyberspace?. Like to see Diebold trying on funny games there with several thousand very smart hackers hanging around.

  16. 16 mickNo Gravatar

    Here’s a question for the punters, is myspace getting traction outside of the young 20 something and teen demographic. As a late 20 something I know a lot of people into blogging but not so many that are into myspace. Most that I talk to think that myspace is a little stalkerish and a bit creepy.

  17. 17 MarkNo Gravatar

    I set up a myspace account because my ex sent me an invite. Now of course I’m chuffed that I have Lola the Vamp and The Alibi Room as my friends.

  18. 18 MarkNo Gravatar

    However, my myspace page has been accurately described as “minimalist”.

  19. 19 mickNo Gravatar

    I should fess up that I also have one. I needed it to download an mp3. The Alibi Room has one, cool (or should that be kewl?).

  20. 20 MarkNo Gravatar

    Kewl, I think.

    http://www.myspace.com/thealibiroom

    I’m not sure the lovely Trina is all that happy that her photo appears next to the Alibi Room’s demographics – female, 34. That of course refers to the owner! Trina’s more like 24.

  21. 21 NabakovNo Gravatar

    Myspace just makes me cringe aesthetically if nothing else.

    Still, since Rupert just bought it, I’m sure they’ll all get the memo on one way or another. Sex good. Politics bad. And no screaming yellow loglines on dark type-laden backgrounds.

  22. 22 KimNo Gravatar

    It all proves Julie Bishop’s point that teaching the kiddies how to text for VCE English is a Maoist conspiracy?

  23. 23 KimNo Gravatar

    OMG! HoWARd like totally sux :P

  24. 24 YobboNo Gravatar

    PM John Howard is an a$sl!ck3r: 4 members

    Howard the Coward: 3 members

    I’m sure their invititations to join the blogging crew at LP are on their way, if the recent addition of this Eric Blair character is any guide.

  25. 25 professor ratNo Gravatar

    Plenty to see here – listen up.

    While still waiting for my FOI request to the US SS as to why an agent of their was present at my arrest in Australia in 2001.

    I’m not holding my breath.

    There is a glaringly obvious tactic here to bring down the US SS or call its bluff. Simply DDoS it until it admits that it doesn’t investigate every complaint because it would be physically impossible.

    A relatively small group of volunteers could so jam an entire upper echelon of the last empire. This could be sold as radical civil disobedience and even done anonymously through proxies.

    KILL THE PRESIDENT – rinse, repeat until the US SS cry ‘ uncle’.

    ‘ We mean it maaaaa-n’

  26. 26 Eric BlairNo Gravatar

    “Girl Friday”, Yobbo?
    Don’t you ever get out of the house?

  27. 27 Osama Bin DisneyNo Gravatar

    Garfield’s been assassinated? Thank God! Mickey Mouse next!

  28. 28 j_p_zNo Gravatar

    “There is a glaringly obvious tactic here to bring down the US SS or call its bluff. …A relatively small group of volunteers could so jam an entire upper echelon of the last empire. This could be sold as radical civil disobedience and even done anonymously through proxies.
    KILL THE PRESIDENT – rinse, repeat until the US SS cry uncle.
    ‘We mean it maaaaa-n’”

    p. rat — sometimes I wish I’d had a much shittier upbringing, which would allow me the social slack to express in rather more colorful terms exactly how much contempt I have for you. Don’t think for a moment that I don’t know how to do it; I’m just too fatally well-behaved. Oh well! We don’t get everything we want!

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