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		<title>By: Enemy Combatant</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/09/cheneys-grandchild-of-doom/#comment-288701</link>
		<dc:creator>Enemy Combatant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 07:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m sure they can spin this one into some kind of virgin birth scenario.&quot;

Right, Phil. Parthenogenesis.  It&#039;s a MURKEL !!!  Don&#039;t have to be a rattle-snake handler to buy that one.

 It&#039;s still quite a ways though, from Brokeback Mountain, Wyoming, to the banks of the Potomac, Washinton D.C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m sure they can spin this one into some kind of virgin birth scenario.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right, Phil. Parthenogenesis.  It&#8217;s a MURKEL !!!  Don&#8217;t have to be a rattle-snake handler to buy that one.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s still quite a ways though, from Brokeback Mountain, Wyoming, to the banks of the Potomac, Washinton D.C.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 04:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush should have dumped Cheney last election.  the whole Cheney clan are a disgrace.   Now another poor child being subjected to 2 lesbos.  Really sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush should have dumped Cheney last election.  the whole Cheney clan are a disgrace.   Now another poor child being subjected to 2 lesbos.  Really sad.</p>
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		<title>By: suz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/09/cheneys-grandchild-of-doom/#comment-288699</link>
		<dc:creator>suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Prospective immigrants - whether black, white or brindle - who do not have the right combination of fit bodies, smart minds and nice souls will fail to make the cut. This more or less happened for most of post-war Austrlalian history, though selection methods were cruder.&quot;

This is nonsense. Most of the postwar Mediterranean migrants, especially the women, were factory fodder - IQ had nothing to do with it. (Not that those people weren&#039;t smart, but they weren&#039;t wanted or selected for their IQs.)

&quot;(Remember âfraternityâ? was one third of the Enlightenment triad of values.)&quot;
It was one third of the &#039;values&#039; of the French revolution, which is not synonymous with the Enlightenment - and neither the French revolution nor the Enlightenment nor Australian mateship have been immediately wonderful to women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Prospective immigrants &#8211; whether black, white or brindle &#8211; who do not have the right combination of fit bodies, smart minds and nice souls will fail to make the cut. This more or less happened for most of post-war Austrlalian history, though selection methods were cruder.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is nonsense. Most of the postwar Mediterranean migrants, especially the women, were factory fodder &#8211; IQ had nothing to do with it. (Not that those people weren&#8217;t smart, but they weren&#8217;t wanted or selected for their IQs.)</p>
<p>&#8220;(Remember âfraternityâ? was one third of the Enlightenment triad of values.)&#8221;<br />
It was one third of the &#8216;values&#8217; of the French revolution, which is not synonymous with the Enlightenment &#8211; and neither the French revolution nor the Enlightenment nor Australian mateship have been immediately wonderful to women.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The discussion of the merits of one and two parent families in the context of gays is surreal. Gays are a tiny fraction of the community. And the fraction of gays who want to get married and raise kids is a fairly small fraction of that fraction.&quot;

Umm so discussing how active discrimination affects a minority in society is now - surreal? Howdy doodey - as long as we&#039;re clear on that one. Oddly enough, i have yet to find active discrimination against the majority in society but perhaps I don&#039;t get out enough.....
&quot;But the fraction of gays who want to get married&quot; blah blah blah - well excuse me honey, from wherever you may be lookin&#039; from ol&#039;hetero-land, it may appear that way to you, but over here in homo-reality land, its all when can i print those rather charming gilt invites? Gay people want recognition for their relationships for the same reason you do - because it brings legal and financial equality with our dear dear straight brothers &amp; sisters, gives our children legal certainities in a world fraught with little difficulties in that area, and we too, would like OUR society to acknowledge our relationships with as much love, care and importance as enjoyed by our dear dear straight brothers &amp; sisters. Personally i don&#039;t give a damn as to whether it&#039;s church sanctified marriage, but civil union? Damn it, I&#039;d even wear a dress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The discussion of the merits of one and two parent families in the context of gays is surreal. Gays are a tiny fraction of the community. And the fraction of gays who want to get married and raise kids is a fairly small fraction of that fraction.&#8221;</p>
<p>Umm so discussing how active discrimination affects a minority in society is now &#8211; surreal? Howdy doodey &#8211; as long as we&#8217;re clear on that one. Oddly enough, i have yet to find active discrimination against the majority in society but perhaps I don&#8217;t get out enough&#8230;..<br />
&#8220;But the fraction of gays who want to get married&#8221; blah blah blah &#8211; well excuse me honey, from wherever you may be lookin&#8217; from ol&#8217;hetero-land, it may appear that way to you, but over here in homo-reality land, its all when can i print those rather charming gilt invites? Gay people want recognition for their relationships for the same reason you do &#8211; because it brings legal and financial equality with our dear dear straight brothers &amp; sisters, gives our children legal certainities in a world fraught with little difficulties in that area, and we too, would like OUR society to acknowledge our relationships with as much love, care and importance as enjoyed by our dear dear straight brothers &amp; sisters. Personally i don&#8217;t give a damn as to whether it&#8217;s church sanctified marriage, but civil union? Damn it, I&#8217;d even wear a dress.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nabakov  on 12 December 2006 at 3:12 am

&lt;em&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For most people âBrave New Worldâ? is a charming piece of fustian utopia. But not for the Strocchimeister. ... can anyone think of a more low key yet chilling phrase than âeducated and socialised properly upâ?.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

How about &quot;illeducated and unsocialised&quot; for a spine-chilling phrase? This leads to caste society and civil strife. We dont need to invent a &quot;fustian utopia&quot; [sic] to get a shudder of horror. Merely read some of Theodore Dalrymples cautionary tales.

One visit to Northern Mexico gave me enough spine-chilling thrills on this score. Or see the recent history of multiculturalised ethnic immigration in Australia for a decaff version.

I am really trying to isolate what makes a person fit for citizenship. IQ measures smartness, EQ is a rough index of niceness. And an ME measures fitness. Put them together and you have a good immigrant selection criteria.

I humbly submit that these should be the critieria for citizenship in both immigrant selection and subsequent settlement. It is tedious to continually re-invent the wheel on these basic issues. But our cultural professionals and politicals have completely lost the plot since the Great Unlearning of the seventies and eighties.

Australia will have to take a higher ratio of ethnic immigrants in the future to make up for the dearth in the reproduction rate following half a generation of childless women. (Howard is already beating Keating on the NESB score.)

It is imperative that ethnics are aggressively integrated into the community by various civic strategies. Again, Howard is taking the lead in this with his Enlish language, civics and mateship policies. (Remember &quot;fraternity&quot; was one third of the Enlightenment triad of values.)

If Nabakov objects to the notion of recruiting fit, smart, nice people as citizens then he should say so. It might shed light on some of his grotesque ideological contortions.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;And what happens to the ones that arenât?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

[irony alert enabled] I will have them killed. [Irony alert disabled]

Prospective immigrants - whether black, white or brindle - who do not have the right combination of fit bodies, smart minds and nice souls will fail to make the cut. This more or less happened for most of post-war Austrlalian history, though selection methods were cruder.

Later generations who slip into a ghetto like existence courtesy of the Wets rackets and rorts will have to be dealt with by some expensive combination of the welfare and lawfare state, as they are now. The term for this is &quot;custodial state&quot;. Wouldnt it be better just to get ethnic immigration right from the get-go?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;So when are you planning to decant your spawn Jack?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cant you string more than two sentences together without making some vulgar reference to my personal affairs? It is really creepy having this heckler-cum-stalker following me around the web trading on a largely mendacious version of my private life. Get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nabakov  on 12 December 2006 at 3:12 am</p>
<p><em><br />
<blockquote>For most people âBrave New Worldâ? is a charming piece of fustian utopia. But not for the Strocchimeister. &#8230; can anyone think of a more low key yet chilling phrase than âeducated and socialised properly upâ?.
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<p>How about &#8220;illeducated and unsocialised&#8221; for a spine-chilling phrase? This leads to caste society and civil strife. We dont need to invent a &#8220;fustian utopia&#8221; [sic] to get a shudder of horror. Merely read some of Theodore Dalrymples cautionary tales.</p>
<p>One visit to Northern Mexico gave me enough spine-chilling thrills on this score. Or see the recent history of multiculturalised ethnic immigration in Australia for a decaff version.</p>
<p>I am really trying to isolate what makes a person fit for citizenship. IQ measures smartness, EQ is a rough index of niceness. And an ME measures fitness. Put them together and you have a good immigrant selection criteria.</p>
<p>I humbly submit that these should be the critieria for citizenship in both immigrant selection and subsequent settlement. It is tedious to continually re-invent the wheel on these basic issues. But our cultural professionals and politicals have completely lost the plot since the Great Unlearning of the seventies and eighties.</p>
<p>Australia will have to take a higher ratio of ethnic immigrants in the future to make up for the dearth in the reproduction rate following half a generation of childless women. (Howard is already beating Keating on the NESB score.)</p>
<p>It is imperative that ethnics are aggressively integrated into the community by various civic strategies. Again, Howard is taking the lead in this with his Enlish language, civics and mateship policies. (Remember &#8220;fraternity&#8221; was one third of the Enlightenment triad of values.)</p>
<p>If Nabakov objects to the notion of recruiting fit, smart, nice people as citizens then he should say so. It might shed light on some of his grotesque ideological contortions.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>And what happens to the ones that arenât?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>[irony alert enabled] I will have them killed. [Irony alert disabled]</p>
<p>Prospective immigrants &#8211; whether black, white or brindle &#8211; who do not have the right combination of fit bodies, smart minds and nice souls will fail to make the cut. This more or less happened for most of post-war Austrlalian history, though selection methods were cruder.</p>
<p>Later generations who slip into a ghetto like existence courtesy of the Wets rackets and rorts will have to be dealt with by some expensive combination of the welfare and lawfare state, as they are now. The term for this is &#8220;custodial state&#8221;. Wouldnt it be better just to get ethnic immigration right from the get-go?</p>
<blockquote><p><em>So when are you planning to decant your spawn Jack?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Cant you string more than two sentences together without making some vulgar reference to my personal affairs? It is really creepy having this heckler-cum-stalker following me around the web trading on a largely mendacious version of my private life. Get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiddles the Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiddles the Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Toonces. Where&#039;s my lift?

Plus you haven&#039;t answered my question. Are you actually a dog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Toonces. Where&#8217;s my lift?</p>
<p>Plus you haven&#8217;t answered my question. Are you actually a dog?</p>
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		<title>By: Rogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrew sullivan - superfamous gay american &#039;conservative&#039; blogger - claims gay marriage is a conservative ploy that will pull gays into the mainstream and probably, lead us to the end of history (again)

hippy/old school 70s gays couldn&#039;t give fig for marriage or religion (metaphysical tinsel for dinosaurs?) but want the de facto benefits   preserve the anything-goes gay sexual culture (which is the source of just about every social trend the desiccated right detests - shaved privates, anyone?). which is pretty much what we have now.

as for observa, to paraphrase andrew downer, who cares what some bunch of rightwingers thinks.  if the crusty old ALP rightwingers of the hawke-keating era could foist gays on the military just imagine what the 21st century effort will bring.

the religious-right thing has peaked, disgraced as it has been by the incontinence, incompetence and gross hypocrisy of religious-right ascendancy in america. will it be obama who drives the stake through its heart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrew sullivan &#8211; superfamous gay american &#8216;conservative&#8217; blogger &#8211; claims gay marriage is a conservative ploy that will pull gays into the mainstream and probably, lead us to the end of history (again)</p>
<p>hippy/old school 70s gays couldn&#8217;t give fig for marriage or religion (metaphysical tinsel for dinosaurs?) but want the de facto benefits   preserve the anything-goes gay sexual culture (which is the source of just about every social trend the desiccated right detests &#8211; shaved privates, anyone?). which is pretty much what we have now.</p>
<p>as for observa, to paraphrase andrew downer, who cares what some bunch of rightwingers thinks.  if the crusty old ALP rightwingers of the hawke-keating era could foist gays on the military just imagine what the 21st century effort will bring.</p>
<p>the religious-right thing has peaked, disgraced as it has been by the incontinence, incompetence and gross hypocrisy of religious-right ascendancy in america. will it be obama who drives the stake through its heart?</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;FTR I am fine with gays or lesbians raising children. I dont have a problem with full legal rights for such unions. &lt;strong&gt;I wonder why they must have a marriage ceremony to go with it&lt;/strong&gt;. But if annoying social conservatives is what really makes gay activists happy then I dont see any reason to spoil their fun.(emphasis mine)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you sure it&#039;s the ceremony that&#039;s important, or the fact that one document, a marriage certificate, automatically recognises that one&#039;s partner is eligible for the full array of spousal rights?

For example, Mary Cheney has been interviewed about the spousal rights situation for herself and her partner Heather.  She sidestepped about having made living wills, medical powers of attorney etc etc etc and was sure that this meant that they would be fine.

However, if Mary is lying comatose in hospital and Dick and Lynne decide to deny Heather visiting rights and contest her right to make medical decisions, then without a marriage certificate Heather is almost certainly likely to be kept away from her spouse (especially in Virginia - civil unions are entirely unrecognised, gay or straight)..  With a marriage certificate a  spouse can call the police and medical staff and obstructive family can be charged with impeding access, without one? SOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>FTR I am fine with gays or lesbians raising children. I dont have a problem with full legal rights for such unions. <strong>I wonder why they must have a marriage ceremony to go with it</strong>. But if annoying social conservatives is what really makes gay activists happy then I dont see any reason to spoil their fun.(emphasis mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you sure it&#8217;s the ceremony that&#8217;s important, or the fact that one document, a marriage certificate, automatically recognises that one&#8217;s partner is eligible for the full array of spousal rights?</p>
<p>For example, Mary Cheney has been interviewed about the spousal rights situation for herself and her partner Heather.  She sidestepped about having made living wills, medical powers of attorney etc etc etc and was sure that this meant that they would be fine.</p>
<p>However, if Mary is lying comatose in hospital and Dick and Lynne decide to deny Heather visiting rights and contest her right to make medical decisions, then without a marriage certificate Heather is almost certainly likely to be kept away from her spouse (especially in Virginia &#8211; civil unions are entirely unrecognised, gay or straight)..  With a marriage certificate a  spouse can call the police and medical staff and obstructive family can be charged with impeding access, without one? SOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if by EQ you mean &quot;emotional quotient&quot; Jack, I suggest you start running now before the EQ Quops start after you, as they will under the regime you seem to desire. There&#039;s gonna be precious little room in the Brave New World you&#039;re ogling up for whackos like you or me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if by EQ you mean &#8220;emotional quotient&#8221; Jack, I suggest you start running now before the EQ Quops start after you, as they will under the regime you seem to desire. There&#8217;s gonna be precious little room in the Brave New World you&#8217;re ogling up for whackos like you or me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So long as they are educated and socialised properly up to high IQ and high EQ levels.&quot;

For most people &quot;Brave New World&quot; is a charming piece of fustian utopia. But not for the Strocchimeister. So when are you planning to decant your spawn Jack?

Y&#039;know, aside from &quot;tax audit&quot;, can anyone think of a more low key yet chilling phrase than
&quot;educated and socialised properly up&quot;.

And what happens to the ones that aren&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So long as they are educated and socialised properly up to high IQ and high EQ levels.&#8221;</p>
<p>For most people &#8220;Brave New World&#8221; is a charming piece of fustian utopia. But not for the Strocchimeister. So when are you planning to decant your spawn Jack?</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know, aside from &#8220;tax audit&#8221;, can anyone think of a more low key yet chilling phrase than<br />
&#8220;educated and socialised properly up&#8221;.</p>
<p>And what happens to the ones that aren&#8217;t?</p>
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