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		<title>By: lynn white</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynn white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness that&#039;s sorted! I agree, Ducky&#039;s and Cat&#039;s posts are political.

Skeptic Lawyer, I also agree Crickey have been a bit hard on you. They&#039;re just jumping on a reliable old bandwagon I guess - and they are pretty good at that.

Does anyone else here think Crickey has too much of the shit sheet about it? I mean, they do pay some interesting commentators (like Mark Bahnisch, of course, who is better informed than most of them), but Christian Kerr should be shot - if you want to leak a pernicious story without fact-checking, he provides a good story.

And the whining from Mayne about the whole Milne affair, aargh, get over it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness that&#8217;s sorted! I agree, Ducky&#8217;s and Cat&#8217;s posts are political.</p>
<p>Skeptic Lawyer, I also agree Crickey have been a bit hard on you. They&#8217;re just jumping on a reliable old bandwagon I guess &#8211; and they are pretty good at that.</p>
<p>Does anyone else here think Crickey has too much of the shit sheet about it? I mean, they do pay some interesting commentators (like Mark Bahnisch, of course, who is better informed than most of them), but Christian Kerr should be shot &#8211; if you want to leak a pernicious story without fact-checking, he provides a good story.</p>
<p>And the whining from Mayne about the whole Milne affair, aargh, get over it!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. Truce?</description>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think I shall bother answering if that&#039;s ok.

Answer: No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think I shall bother answering if that&#8217;s ok.</p>
<p>Answer: No.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/09/several-missing-links/#comment-288653</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggested no such thing of Laura, who I thought responded quite moderately to you accusing her of groundlessly stereotyping you as obtuse and sexist.

I made that second comment because I asked a question at 2:26, and by coincidence your response was posted a minute later.

Ken Tankerous?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggested no such thing of Laura, who I thought responded quite moderately to you accusing her of groundlessly stereotyping you as obtuse and sexist.</p>
<p>I made that second comment because I asked a question at 2:26, and by coincidence your response was posted a minute later.</p>
<p>Ken Tankerous?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you always demean and belittle anyone who dares to disagree, however slightly and courteously, with your viewpoint?  Don&#039;t bother answering, it&#039;s rhetorical and (as Zoe just suggested) you already have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you always demean and belittle anyone who dares to disagree, however slightly and courteously, with your viewpoint?  Don&#8217;t bother answering, it&#8217;s rhetorical and (as Zoe just suggested) you already have.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m beginning to think that you will continue to sentence me to stereotyping as an archetypical obtuse male chauvinist irrespective of my actual words and actions.&lt;/i&gt;

Leave it out Ken:  if I commence (not &#039;continue&#039;) to think of you as anything at all, it will not be as ...that, more likely as a person with inordinate fondness for slightly inept, unnecessary, but seemingly well-meant categorising.  A bit like Oscar and his buttons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m beginning to think that you will continue to sentence me to stereotyping as an archetypical obtuse male chauvinist irrespective of my actual words and actions.</i></p>
<p>Leave it out Ken:  if I commence (not &#8216;continue&#8217;) to think of you as anything at all, it will not be as &#8230;that, more likely as a person with inordinate fondness for slightly inept, unnecessary, but seemingly well-meant categorising.  A bit like Oscar and his buttons.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s my question answered, then.</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura

I&#039;m beginning to think that you will continue to sentence me to stereotyping as an archetypical obtuse male chauvinist irrespective of my actual words and actions.

I conceded some time ago that &quot;whimsical&quot; was an ill-chosen title for the section, because some posts linked there are anything but.

I agree also that there are often (perhaps even always) political dimensions to the best &quot;personal&quot; essays: the personal enlivens and illustrates the political and vice versa.  That&#039;s certainly true of both  A. Duck&#039;s and P. Cat&#039;s posts linked yesterday.  However, Duck&#039;s reference to Abbott and RU486 was a single short asterisked postscript to a very long post, and was the only overtly/expressly &quot;Political&quot; element to that post.

P. Cat&#039;s post had a more extensive political connection/purpose, but not one that relates specifically to any day-to-day political issue (as to which, see further below).  P. Cat&#039;s central argument is twofold:
(1) to defend feminism against the accusations of post-feminists like Virginia Hausseger; and
(2) to make the more general claim that &quot;We live in a culture still deeply, deeply steeped in the notion that a woman with no children is some kind of pitiable freak&quot;.

Those are certainly political issues in a broad sense, and I agree that they&#039;re far more important ones than much of the trivial, ephemeral nonsense usually treated as news in the MSM.  I suppose I could use Missing Link as a vehicle to challenge the prevailing MSM stereotypical view of what is &quot;news&quot; and &quot;politics&quot; and what isn&#039;t. But that isn&#039;t my purpose.  My purpose is to highlight the fact that the blogosphere generates large amounts of writing that is as good as and better than anything found in the MSM, and to make that writing accessible to a wider audience.  And, despite your arguments and my conceding much of their force, I still think that the best way of achieving that purpose is to categorise stories in a way a mainstream audience can easily recognise and with which it is familiar.

I quite deliberately set out to highlight the range of meaty day-to-day news and politics posts generated in the blogosphere, in part as an antidote to the prevailing practice of MSM outlets (and &lt;em&gt;Crikey&lt;/em&gt;) when they bother mentioning blogs at all.  They invariably choose to highlight only the quirky and idiosyncratic posts (look at &lt;em&gt;Crikey&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; Blogwatch almost any day), because it doesn&#039;t suit &lt;strong&gt;their&lt;/strong&gt; purpose to let their readers know that there is a huge range of free-of-charge material out there on blogs that deals with the same issues as &lt;em&gt;Crikey&lt;/em&gt; but for which it charges a subscription.  Both the MSM and &lt;em&gt;Crikey&lt;/em&gt; have a vested interest in portraying the blogosphere as a place for erratic ratbaggery and not serious, well written journalism.  It seems to me that the most effective way of negating that false perception is to classify posts in a similar manner to the MSM, which unavoidably means equating &quot;news&quot; and &quot;politics&quot; with the stories and issues treated as such by the MSM.

An unintended effect of pursuing my primary purpose may well be that I miss to some extent an opportunity to challenge a dominant paradigm about what is news and what should be regarded as important and worthy of the greatest attention. Maybe I&#039;ll go there once I&#039;ve succeeded in building up a significant general audience for Missing Link.  For the moment, there&#039;s nothing to prevent others from attempting their own Missing Link-type feature, and classifying and selecting posts however they like.  Moreover, I&#039;ve also invited expressions of interest from bloggers (LP ones in particular) who might be interested in participating in editing Missing Link, either in rotation or in relation to a particular section.  Again you would then (at least to an extent) be able to shape it however you want during your editorship. So far I&#039;ve only had one taker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura</p>
<p>I&#8217;m beginning to think that you will continue to sentence me to stereotyping as an archetypical obtuse male chauvinist irrespective of my actual words and actions.</p>
<p>I conceded some time ago that &#8220;whimsical&#8221; was an ill-chosen title for the section, because some posts linked there are anything but.</p>
<p>I agree also that there are often (perhaps even always) political dimensions to the best &#8220;personal&#8221; essays: the personal enlivens and illustrates the political and vice versa.  That&#8217;s certainly true of both  A. Duck&#8217;s and P. Cat&#8217;s posts linked yesterday.  However, Duck&#8217;s reference to Abbott and RU486 was a single short asterisked postscript to a very long post, and was the only overtly/expressly &#8220;Political&#8221; element to that post.</p>
<p>P. Cat&#8217;s post had a more extensive political connection/purpose, but not one that relates specifically to any day-to-day political issue (as to which, see further below).  P. Cat&#8217;s central argument is twofold:<br />
(1) to defend feminism against the accusations of post-feminists like Virginia Hausseger; and<br />
(2) to make the more general claim that &#8220;We live in a culture still deeply, deeply steeped in the notion that a woman with no children is some kind of pitiable freak&#8221;.</p>
<p>Those are certainly political issues in a broad sense, and I agree that they&#8217;re far more important ones than much of the trivial, ephemeral nonsense usually treated as news in the MSM.  I suppose I could use Missing Link as a vehicle to challenge the prevailing MSM stereotypical view of what is &#8220;news&#8221; and &#8220;politics&#8221; and what isn&#8217;t. But that isn&#8217;t my purpose.  My purpose is to highlight the fact that the blogosphere generates large amounts of writing that is as good as and better than anything found in the MSM, and to make that writing accessible to a wider audience.  And, despite your arguments and my conceding much of their force, I still think that the best way of achieving that purpose is to categorise stories in a way a mainstream audience can easily recognise and with which it is familiar.</p>
<p>I quite deliberately set out to highlight the range of meaty day-to-day news and politics posts generated in the blogosphere, in part as an antidote to the prevailing practice of MSM outlets (and <em>Crikey</em>) when they bother mentioning blogs at all.  They invariably choose to highlight only the quirky and idiosyncratic posts (look at <em>Crikey&#8217;s</em> Blogwatch almost any day), because it doesn&#8217;t suit <strong>their</strong> purpose to let their readers know that there is a huge range of free-of-charge material out there on blogs that deals with the same issues as <em>Crikey</em> but for which it charges a subscription.  Both the MSM and <em>Crikey</em> have a vested interest in portraying the blogosphere as a place for erratic ratbaggery and not serious, well written journalism.  It seems to me that the most effective way of negating that false perception is to classify posts in a similar manner to the MSM, which unavoidably means equating &#8220;news&#8221; and &#8220;politics&#8221; with the stories and issues treated as such by the MSM.</p>
<p>An unintended effect of pursuing my primary purpose may well be that I miss to some extent an opportunity to challenge a dominant paradigm about what is news and what should be regarded as important and worthy of the greatest attention. Maybe I&#8217;ll go there once I&#8217;ve succeeded in building up a significant general audience for Missing Link.  For the moment, there&#8217;s nothing to prevent others from attempting their own Missing Link-type feature, and classifying and selecting posts however they like.  Moreover, I&#8217;ve also invited expressions of interest from bloggers (LP ones in particular) who might be interested in participating in editing Missing Link, either in rotation or in relation to a particular section.  Again you would then (at least to an extent) be able to shape it however you want during your editorship. So far I&#8217;ve only had one taker.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But does this stuff really need to be spelled out?&lt;/em&gt;

It appears so, doesn&#039;t it.

And as for the faux seriousness of commentary about &quot;Proper Politics&quot; that Laura points to - I &lt;a href=&quot;http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/crazybrave/rgrthtcopy.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;agree heartily &lt;/a&gt; that much of it is in fact largely shallow gossip mongering in the celebrity fashion.

I am interested to see whether the comments by Laura, Mark and Dr Cat have accomplished any of the &quot;&lt;em&gt;rather a lot of convincing&lt;/em&gt;&quot; that Ken said would be necessary to shift his view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But does this stuff really need to be spelled out?</em></p>
<p>It appears so, doesn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>And as for the faux seriousness of commentary about &#8220;Proper Politics&#8221; that Laura points to &#8211; I <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/crazybrave/rgrthtcopy.jpg" rel="nofollow">agree heartily </a> that much of it is in fact largely shallow gossip mongering in the celebrity fashion.</p>
<p>I am interested to see whether the comments by Laura, Mark and Dr Cat have accomplished any of the &#8220;<em>rather a lot of convincing</em>&#8221; that Ken said would be necessary to shift his view.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, thanks -- much better coming from someone else.

Could I also make the point -- and Susoz does it explicitly in the actual name of her blog, &#039;personal political&#039; -- that for many women the old slogan about the personal being the political is a simple statement of fact. Certainly my own aim as a blogger is to demonstrate (&#039;show, don&#039;t tell&#039;)  how one extrapolates from the personal to the political in order to write integrated commentary on daily life and the way it&#039;s informed by how we are governed, and to demonstrate that the &#039;personal&#039; and the &#039;political&#039; are not antithetical but occur along a spectrum. I often write about the personal as a way of trying to make the political specific and engaging.

Here&#039;s another example, not to do with feminism, to try to make the point another way: in another thread connected with this one (either here or at Troppo, can&#039;t remember) someone commends Jeff Sparrow&#039;s review of last year&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Best Australian Essays&lt;/i&gt;. My own essay in that volume gets a fairly value-neutral mention but is listed as one of the apolitical essays.

Which was a bit annoying, because it&#039;s an essay about choral singing which built up towards an explicit if briefly made point about the nature of collective endeavour, something I would certainly call &#039;political&#039;. The post of mine being discussed here also built up towards an explicitly political paragraph about the uses of feminism. As Laura points out, I even put in a little &#039;This way to the Gillard fruit bowl fiasco&#039; reference at the end. But does this stuff really need to be spelled out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, thanks &#8212; much better coming from someone else.</p>
<p>Could I also make the point &#8212; and Susoz does it explicitly in the actual name of her blog, &#8216;personal political&#8217; &#8212; that for many women the old slogan about the personal being the political is a simple statement of fact. Certainly my own aim as a blogger is to demonstrate (&#8216;show, don&#8217;t tell&#8217;)  how one extrapolates from the personal to the political in order to write integrated commentary on daily life and the way it&#8217;s informed by how we are governed, and to demonstrate that the &#8216;personal&#8217; and the &#8216;political&#8217; are not antithetical but occur along a spectrum. I often write about the personal as a way of trying to make the political specific and engaging.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another example, not to do with feminism, to try to make the point another way: in another thread connected with this one (either here or at Troppo, can&#8217;t remember) someone commends Jeff Sparrow&#8217;s review of last year&#8217;s <i>Best Australian Essays</i>. My own essay in that volume gets a fairly value-neutral mention but is listed as one of the apolitical essays.</p>
<p>Which was a bit annoying, because it&#8217;s an essay about choral singing which built up towards an explicit if briefly made point about the nature of collective endeavour, something I would certainly call &#8216;political&#8217;. The post of mine being discussed here also built up towards an explicitly political paragraph about the uses of feminism. As Laura points out, I even put in a little &#8216;This way to the Gillard fruit bowl fiasco&#8217; reference at the end. But does this stuff really need to be spelled out?</p>
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