Comments on: The Greens Flop Their Way to Power in Victoria http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:11:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Alex on the Bus http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289354 Alex on the Bus Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:13:58 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289354 <blockquote>Which new laws are we talking about?</blockquote> The new federal enrolment laws, meaning that you only have 8 hours to enrol or update from the moment Chairman John takes the drive up Adelaide Avenue to Yarralumla. From here on in, Greenies, I'd suggest staying off the green and restricting your outings to rides up and down the Main Yarra Trail, lest Bonsai pulls a swifty. As for the raise in the Green vote once provisional votes (absentees, postals, etc.) are intorduced, the 'weekend hiker' factor might be in play - although the number of times I've heard Saint Bob and Doctor Rob (di Natale) play that mantra, I'm thinking I'm starting to believe their bollocks a tad too much. (Although not enough to please our favourite Albion Street hack - I await the flaming in earnest!)

Which new laws are we talking about?

The new federal enrolment laws, meaning that you only have 8 hours to enrol or update from the moment Chairman John takes the drive up Adelaide Avenue to Yarralumla. From here on in, Greenies, I’d suggest staying off the green and restricting your outings to rides up and down the Main Yarra Trail, lest Bonsai pulls a swifty.

As for the raise in the Green vote once provisional votes (absentees, postals, etc.) are intorduced, the ‘weekend hiker’ factor might be in play – although the number of times I’ve heard Saint Bob and Doctor Rob (di Natale) play that mantra, I’m thinking I’m starting to believe their bollocks a tad too much. (Although not enough to please our favourite Albion Street hack – I await the flaming in earnest!)

]]> By: Paul Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289353 Paul Norton Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:06:58 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289353 Which new laws are we talking about? Which new laws are we talking about?

]]> By: RumRebellious http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289352 RumRebellious Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:48 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289352 I was under the impression that the Green vote went up because of the high mobility factor with students and young urban professionals - tending for them to be absent of their electorate when the election is called - or even to have moved, and not up-dated their enrollment. I wonder what effect the new laws will have on the Greens absentee vote. Any ideas Paul? I was under the impression that the Green vote went up because of the high mobility factor with students and young urban professionals – tending for them to be absent of their electorate when the election is called – or even to have moved, and not up-dated their enrollment.

I wonder what effect the new laws will have on the Greens absentee vote. Any ideas Paul?

]]> By: wbb http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289351 wbb Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:16:59 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289351 Who needs psephos when you've got Saint Bob <blockquote>Senator Brown, 25th November 2006 The Greens are claiming balance of power in Victoria's Upper House with the projected 19 seats for Labor and minimum of two seats for the Greens. The Greens will have the balance of power in the 40 seat legislative council, Greens Leader Bob Brown said tonight. "Our projections are for three seats in the Upper House (Northern, Southern and Western Metropolitan) with a very good chance in Eastern Metro and the potential for at least one rural Upper House seat," Senator Brown said. "We are in a neck and neck race with Labor for the Lower House seat of Melbourne and the Greens will do very well in absentee and postal votes, what I call 'the bushwalker factor' - people who are away on the weekend but with strong environmental leanings." </blockquote> Who needs psephos when you’ve got Saint Bob

Senator Brown, 25th November 2006
The Greens are claiming balance of power in Victoria’s Upper House with the projected 19 seats for Labor and minimum of two seats for the Greens. The Greens will have the balance of power in the 40 seat legislative council, Greens Leader Bob Brown said tonight.

“Our projections are for three seats in the Upper House (Northern, Southern and Western Metropolitan) with a very good chance in Eastern Metro and the potential for at least one rural Upper House seat,”
Senator Brown said.

“We are in a neck and neck race with Labor for the Lower House seat of Melbourne and the Greens will do very well in absentee and postal votes, what I call ‘the bushwalker factor’ – people who are away on the weekend but with strong environmental leanings.”

]]> By: tic toc http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289350 tic toc Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:44:12 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289350 In concluding, you state "...The result (a combined democratic left majority of seats of Labor and Greens, but not a majority of seats for either one of these parties) is what the people wanted - as well as pleasing me greatly..." What a lot of tripe, you may be pleased, but I wonder how an opportunity for real reform has been squandered and the people could ber happy with that. Real reforms occur with mandates and with the current balance of numbers, all we'll have is half arsed compromises. Oh, and don't pass your opinions as populist, if they really where, don't you think as a collective, the greens would have been streets ahead of where they are In concluding, you state “…The result (a combined democratic left majority of seats of Labor and Greens, but not a majority of seats for either one of these parties) is what the people wanted – as well as pleasing me greatly…”

What a lot of tripe, you may be pleased, but I wonder how an opportunity for real reform has been squandered and the people could ber happy with that. Real reforms occur with mandates and with the current balance of numbers, all we’ll have is half arsed compromises.

Oh, and don’t pass your opinions as populist, if they really where, don’t you think as a collective, the greens would have been streets ahead of where they are

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289349 Kim Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:11:45 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289349 <blockquote>(Oh! Antony Green! WHERE is your accent from?)</blockquote> He's Welsh, I think.

(Oh! Antony Green! WHERE is your accent from?)

He’s Welsh, I think.

]]> By: Lefty E http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289348 Lefty E Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:09:33 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289348 Yes, sensible guesses Paul. With the upper house (if the "finish strongly" phenomena is also true there) it would fall under a) again - highest proportion of BTL voters of any party. Which, I presume, would be counted more slowly. Yes, sensible guesses Paul. With the upper house (if the “finish strongly” phenomena is also true there) it would fall under a) again – highest proportion of BTL voters of any party.

Which, I presume, would be counted more slowly.

]]> By: Paul Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289347 Paul Norton Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:04:34 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289347 Lefty E, sooner or later the political sociologists need to do some empirical research on who votes Green, why they vote Green, and how their overall education level, age distribution, income level, occupational mix, lifestyle, etc., compare to that of voters for other parties. This would answer your question. My hunch is that there could be a combination of: (a) Greens voters being more "information rich" about the political system and therefore knowing that you can vote in other ways than just turning up at your local booth on the day; (b) Green voters being younger on average (and perhaps also being more affluent on average) and therefore more likely to be mobile on weekends. But this is pub sociology, and is no substitute for empirical research. Lefty E, sooner or later the political sociologists need to do some empirical research on who votes Green, why they vote Green, and how their overall education level, age distribution, income level, occupational mix, lifestyle, etc., compare to that of voters for other parties. This would answer your question.

My hunch is that there could be a combination of: (a) Greens voters being more “information rich” about the political system and therefore knowing that you can vote in other ways than just turning up at your local booth on the day; (b) Green voters being younger on average (and perhaps also being more affluent on average) and therefore more likely to be mobile on weekends. But this is pub sociology, and is no substitute for empirical research.

]]> By: Lefty E http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289346 Lefty E Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:00:36 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289346 Yes, or the Libs for that matter. But as noted, its a golden opportunity for the ALP left to do business. I tend to think the "association with Greens = electoral negative for majors" may already be history, and (if relations are handled sensibly, as I hope they would be), could be a scare tactic that backfires on the Right electorally. Yes, or the Libs for that matter.

But as noted, its a golden opportunity for the ALP left to do business.

I tend to think the “association with Greens = electoral negative for majors” may already be history, and (if relations are handled sensibly, as I hope they would be), could be a scare tactic that backfires on the Right electorally.

]]> By: Chris http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289345 Chris Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:45:56 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/14/the-greens-flop-their-way-to-power-in-victoria/#comment-289345 Do note that the ALP can get legislation passed without the Greens support by going to the Nationals. Do note that the ALP can get legislation passed without the Greens support by going to the Nationals.

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