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		<title>By: Douglas McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the SMH&#039;s foreign correspondants are generally very good, although I think they&#039;re relying too much on buy-ins from other papers. Paul McGeough, especially; I would buy the paper just for his coverage of the Iraq War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the SMH&#8217;s foreign correspondants are generally very good, although I think they&#8217;re relying too much on buy-ins from other papers. Paul McGeough, especially; I would buy the paper just for his coverage of the Iraq War.</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha Blumen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sacha Blumen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 03:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political biographies are often very interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internal trackback:

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/18/the-new-opedders/

To answer your question, suz, I felt quite bad about retreating to my own private concerns and ignoring public ones because I&#039;ve always felt an obligation to do something for others by acting on my politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internal trackback:</p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/18/the-new-opedders/" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/18/the-new-opedders/</a></p>
<p>To answer your question, suz, I felt quite bad about retreating to my own private concerns and ignoring public ones because I&#8217;ve always felt an obligation to do something for others by acting on my politics.</p>
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		<title>By: suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jet, yes I get a lot of attached news/analysis articles too, though many are from the US - which of course I want to keep up with, but some are very localised.
I also receive a few free subscription emails, such as the Immanuel Wallerstein commentary and Tom&#039;s Dispatch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jet, yes I get a lot of attached news/analysis articles too, though many are from the US &#8211; which of course I want to keep up with, but some are very localised.<br />
I also receive a few free subscription emails, such as the Immanuel Wallerstein commentary and Tom&#8217;s Dispatch.</p>
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		<title>By: tic toc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tic toc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so disillusioned with Australian tabloids, so much so I feel for the trees.

My news comes via the web and is usually international.  It&#039;s no guarantee of quality or accuracy and forget about local issues, but it does help keep another tree rooted to the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so disillusioned with Australian tabloids, so much so I feel for the trees.</p>
<p>My news comes via the web and is usually international.  It&#8217;s no guarantee of quality or accuracy and forget about local issues, but it does help keep another tree rooted to the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Jet Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jet Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 9.30pm SBS news, Tony Jones, SMH in the morning, sometimes the Tele (a quick glance at the splash and page 3) and the back-page splash on sport, during work a read of the Arts &amp; Letters Daily site and a trawl through online NYT,  London Times, the Guardian, Independent. The newsagent Humphreys Manly has the New Yorker (nearly always worth buying). The Herald is unfairly maligned - it ran hard and strong on AWB - and it has excellent furrin correspondents, i.e. Paul McGough, Craig Skehan, Hamish Mcdonald, plus stringers and buy-ins, and is always worth a read. Admittedly, its coverage of state issues verges on the pathetic and is a bit self-absorbed like The Independent. Fran Kelly on RN is good value in the morning, ABC&#039;s AM and PM in the car. I&#039;ve given up on Crikey, as it&#039;s essentially into carrion eating, it breaks very little by way of news, choosing to put its own spin on things. I mean who gives a fuck? Blogs are not quite there yet. Emails from friends are now full of attachments that are mass mailed.
Now that&#039;s an underrated news feed/channel, what say youse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 9.30pm SBS news, Tony Jones, SMH in the morning, sometimes the Tele (a quick glance at the splash and page 3) and the back-page splash on sport, during work a read of the Arts &amp; Letters Daily site and a trawl through online NYT,  London Times, the Guardian, Independent. The newsagent Humphreys Manly has the New Yorker (nearly always worth buying). The Herald is unfairly maligned &#8211; it ran hard and strong on AWB &#8211; and it has excellent furrin correspondents, i.e. Paul McGough, Craig Skehan, Hamish Mcdonald, plus stringers and buy-ins, and is always worth a read. Admittedly, its coverage of state issues verges on the pathetic and is a bit self-absorbed like The Independent. Fran Kelly on RN is good value in the morning, ABC&#8217;s AM and PM in the car. I&#8217;ve given up on Crikey, as it&#8217;s essentially into carrion eating, it breaks very little by way of news, choosing to put its own spin on things. I mean who gives a fuck? Blogs are not quite there yet. Emails from friends are now full of attachments that are mass mailed.<br />
Now that&#8217;s an underrated news feed/channel, what say youse?</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha Blumen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sacha Blumen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suz: good to hear you&#039;re reading all sorts of material. I didn&#039;t pick that up in your post and thought you might have been cutting yourself off from much-circulated material.

You could say that most MSM is isomorphic from day-to-day too - but you could particularly apply it to the gay mags modulo the subject of their major stories (the themes are usually the same though). My maths background comes through in using &quot;isomorphic&quot; (and &quot;modulo&quot;) - I use it in a way that means &quot;may not necessarily look the same but is basically/essentially the same&quot; which is connected to its maths meaning. Isomorphism is a powerful tool in algebra!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suz: good to hear you&#8217;re reading all sorts of material. I didn&#8217;t pick that up in your post and thought you might have been cutting yourself off from much-circulated material.</p>
<p>You could say that most MSM is isomorphic from day-to-day too &#8211; but you could particularly apply it to the gay mags modulo the subject of their major stories (the themes are usually the same though). My maths background comes through in using &#8220;isomorphic&#8221; (and &#8220;modulo&#8221;) &#8211; I use it in a way that means &#8220;may not necessarily look the same but is basically/essentially the same&#8221; which is connected to its maths meaning. Isomorphism is a powerful tool in algebra!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today Tonight and A Current Affair.</description>
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		<title>By: suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sacha wrote: &quot;Suz, if you cut yourself off from ideas you donât agree with youâll become very happy in your very own personal garden of ideas without being aware of what anyone else thinks.&quot;
Sacha, I can assure you there is little chance of that happening. I work in the very area that we are discussing so there is no chance that I&#039;m not exposed to a wide spectrum of content. I&#039;m in touch with more media than I mentioned in my post - I was primarily trying to make the point that the Australian newspapers (primarily the SMH and the Oz, for me) make for depressing reading these days, for different reasons.

&lt;i&gt;I suppose my idea is to read and evaluate things - itâs no good to just say âbah, these thigns are just terrible, thereâs no point to me reading themâ?. Youâre doing yourself a disservice if you think that.&lt;/i&gt;
I think I&#039;m doing myself a service! It&#039;s the only way I can manage to maintain a few shreds of optimism. I know many people who&#039;ve cut off from the mainstream media altogether as they can&#039;t take it any more.
Btw, good word, &#039;isomorphic&#039; to describe the gay rags (which I also hardly ever read any more, though I like the Pink Broad.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sacha wrote: &#8220;Suz, if you cut yourself off from ideas you donât agree with youâll become very happy in your very own personal garden of ideas without being aware of what anyone else thinks.&#8221;<br />
Sacha, I can assure you there is little chance of that happening. I work in the very area that we are discussing so there is no chance that I&#8217;m not exposed to a wide spectrum of content. I&#8217;m in touch with more media than I mentioned in my post &#8211; I was primarily trying to make the point that the Australian newspapers (primarily the SMH and the Oz, for me) make for depressing reading these days, for different reasons.</p>
<p><i>I suppose my idea is to read and evaluate things &#8211; itâs no good to just say âbah, these thigns are just terrible, thereâs no point to me reading themâ?. Youâre doing yourself a disservice if you think that.</i><br />
I think I&#8217;m doing myself a service! It&#8217;s the only way I can manage to maintain a few shreds of optimism. I know many people who&#8217;ve cut off from the mainstream media altogether as they can&#8217;t take it any more.<br />
Btw, good word, &#8216;isomorphic&#8217; to describe the gay rags (which I also hardly ever read any more, though I like the Pink Broad.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha Blumen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sacha Blumen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So what do you read, watch or listen to in the mainstream media that keeps you informed and engaged and maybe occasionally inspired? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

A lot. Some friends say I absorb the newspapers.

Suz, if you cut yourself off from ideas you don&#039;t agree with you&#039;ll become very happy in your very own personal garden of ideas without being aware of what anyone else thinks.

While I think less and less that the SMH is a serious newspaper, I think that it&#039;s a mistake to think that the writers in &lt;em&gt;The Australian&lt;/em&gt;, or many other newspapers, offer a homogeneous, monolithic approach to anything - and you must constantly be prepared to consider ideas from all sorts of sources, lest you cut yourself off from something worthwhile.

For example, Noel Pearson has written a good opinion piece this weekend reflecting his impressions of different approaches to govt indigeneous policies - it may be uncomfortable reading for some on the left but should be compulsory reading for all Labor MPs. He&#039;s charitable to Jenny Macklin in her new role as Shadow Indigeneous Affairs Ministers. To me his piece read as if just reflecting his personal opinions.

In addition to the SMH and The Australian web-sites, I read the ABC web-site, The Age, Mercury, Courier-Mail, The Advertiser, The Mercury, BBC, CNN, Washington Post, NZ Herald, Sacramento Bee, Scientific American, New Scientist, and lots of others (including blogs). I also read some of these magazines, The Economist, local rags including (Sydney) City Hub, some of the local gay mags (which are all isomorphic), National Geographic, the monthly publications of the Planetary Society, the American Mathematical Society and the quarterly publication of the Australian Mathematical Society. This is all I remember. I also watch BBC world-wide and sometimes see bits of CNN and Fox, and (less often now) watch Lateline and the 7:30 report. Sometimes I read the Financial Review. I suppose my idea is to read and evaluate things - it&#039;s no good to just say &quot;bah, these thigns are just terrible, there&#039;s no point to me reading them&quot;. You&#039;re doing yourself a disservice if you think that.

(I don&#039;t read all these sources every day!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So what do you read, watch or listen to in the mainstream media that keeps you informed and engaged and maybe occasionally inspired? </p></blockquote>
<p>A lot. Some friends say I absorb the newspapers.</p>
<p>Suz, if you cut yourself off from ideas you don&#8217;t agree with you&#8217;ll become very happy in your very own personal garden of ideas without being aware of what anyone else thinks.</p>
<p>While I think less and less that the SMH is a serious newspaper, I think that it&#8217;s a mistake to think that the writers in <em>The Australian</em>, or many other newspapers, offer a homogeneous, monolithic approach to anything &#8211; and you must constantly be prepared to consider ideas from all sorts of sources, lest you cut yourself off from something worthwhile.</p>
<p>For example, Noel Pearson has written a good opinion piece this weekend reflecting his impressions of different approaches to govt indigeneous policies &#8211; it may be uncomfortable reading for some on the left but should be compulsory reading for all Labor MPs. He&#8217;s charitable to Jenny Macklin in her new role as Shadow Indigeneous Affairs Ministers. To me his piece read as if just reflecting his personal opinions.</p>
<p>In addition to the SMH and The Australian web-sites, I read the ABC web-site, The Age, Mercury, Courier-Mail, The Advertiser, The Mercury, BBC, CNN, Washington Post, NZ Herald, Sacramento Bee, Scientific American, New Scientist, and lots of others (including blogs). I also read some of these magazines, The Economist, local rags including (Sydney) City Hub, some of the local gay mags (which are all isomorphic), National Geographic, the monthly publications of the Planetary Society, the American Mathematical Society and the quarterly publication of the Australian Mathematical Society. This is all I remember. I also watch BBC world-wide and sometimes see bits of CNN and Fox, and (less often now) watch Lateline and the 7:30 report. Sometimes I read the Financial Review. I suppose my idea is to read and evaluate things &#8211; it&#8217;s no good to just say &#8220;bah, these thigns are just terrible, there&#8217;s no point to me reading them&#8221;. You&#8217;re doing yourself a disservice if you think that.</p>
<p>(I don&#8217;t read all these sources every day!)</p>
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