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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post by Glen Fuller: Pessimistic about our nihilism</title>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/08/guest-post-by-glen-fuller-pessimistic-about-our-nihilism/#comment-283739</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen:
Lots of food for thought in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen:<br />
Lots of food for thought in this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/08/guest-post-by-glen-fuller-pessimistic-about-our-nihilism/#comment-283738</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Greenfield, take your pussies elsewhere, there&#039;s the boy. Or go play with your willie.

Oh, whoopsie, you&#039;re doing that already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Greenfield, take your pussies elsewhere, there&#8217;s the boy. Or go play with your willie.</p>
<p>Oh, whoopsie, you&#8217;re doing that already.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What cobblers! Amusing cobblers, but cobblers nevertheless. Recently, I discussed pussies on LP and was castigated for being &quot;sexist.&quot; By our own earnest and angry Cultural Studies commisar I was sentenced to a reading of Deleuze and his sophomoric post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy that the language &quot;tits and pussies being aired out&quot; does not &quot;go with the territory&quot; of strip joints.


My observation is the opposite. Blogging elevates the tedium of the &quot;Palestinian issue&quot; way above its actual significance in the world.

More pussies and less Palestinian blogging I say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What cobblers! Amusing cobblers, but cobblers nevertheless. Recently, I discussed pussies on LP and was castigated for being &#8220;sexist.&#8221; By our own earnest and angry Cultural Studies commisar I was sentenced to a reading of Deleuze and his sophomoric post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy that the language &#8220;tits and pussies being aired out&#8221; does not &#8220;go with the territory&#8221; of strip joints.</p>
<p>My observation is the opposite. Blogging elevates the tedium of the &#8220;Palestinian issue&#8221; way above its actual significance in the world.</p>
<p>More pussies and less Palestinian blogging I say!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone say &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2002/07/01/bomb-cat.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Palestinian Cats&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did someone say <a href="http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2002/07/01/bomb-cat.html" rel="nofollow">Palestinian Cats</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But is that a Palestinian cat, Laura?</description>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but, dk.au, I am precisely trying to address the difference between &quot;serious debate&quot; and debate that is serious.

I am at a loss to why you think some esoteric nonsense about the universe is somehow not simply a fanciful bourgeois indulgence that is expressed through the rhetoric of &#039;seriousness&#039; (or &#039;importance&#039; as above) compared to the explicit racism of everyday australians and the stupid belligerence of those who condone it? what in the hell are these people thinking and feeling that makes them believe it is ok to make such racist comments to another person? the racism in itself is irrelevant to me, people can believe what they want, it are the enacted power dynamics that I simply can not understand. Right there, in the spaces between bodies. Do people honestly think that someone who is &quot;asian&quot; is somehow less Australian than someone else? Or that &quot;asians&quot; will effect the way that these Australians can be Australian? How do the intellectual and affective expectations that underpin this utter stupidity circulate?

My point about Palestinian cats was aimed at breaking this economy of expectations that seems to pollute the everyday experience of citizens in most western countries at present.

Comments above insinuate that I am a snob looking down on the stupidity of the general population. If this is evidence of the general population, then yes I am a snob. An angry one.

the academic disciplines also have their received set of expectations, ie this is what we should be concerned with, etc. latour is bad example because he is a stuffy frenchman who did research with scientists. in Reassembling the Social where the matters of concern stuff is explored, he tries to drag his sociology of science into the proximity of a sociology of the social, but he has a long way to go yet. cultural studies people have been exploring those aspects missing from concepts like matters of concern for ages (such as the affects of alterity! etc). i think in a footnote in RtS Latour says something like his next project will involve exploring &#039;regimes of reference&#039;, which to me reads like a version of the Foucauldian &#039;regimes of the sayable&#039; which will be completely shot through with &#039;cultural differences&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but, dk.au, I am precisely trying to address the difference between &#8220;serious debate&#8221; and debate that is serious.</p>
<p>I am at a loss to why you think some esoteric nonsense about the universe is somehow not simply a fanciful bourgeois indulgence that is expressed through the rhetoric of &#8216;seriousness&#8217; (or &#8216;importance&#8217; as above) compared to the explicit racism of everyday australians and the stupid belligerence of those who condone it? what in the hell are these people thinking and feeling that makes them believe it is ok to make such racist comments to another person? the racism in itself is irrelevant to me, people can believe what they want, it are the enacted power dynamics that I simply can not understand. Right there, in the spaces between bodies. Do people honestly think that someone who is &#8220;asian&#8221; is somehow less Australian than someone else? Or that &#8220;asians&#8221; will effect the way that these Australians can be Australian? How do the intellectual and affective expectations that underpin this utter stupidity circulate?</p>
<p>My point about Palestinian cats was aimed at breaking this economy of expectations that seems to pollute the everyday experience of citizens in most western countries at present.</p>
<p>Comments above insinuate that I am a snob looking down on the stupidity of the general population. If this is evidence of the general population, then yes I am a snob. An angry one.</p>
<p>the academic disciplines also have their received set of expectations, ie this is what we should be concerned with, etc. latour is bad example because he is a stuffy frenchman who did research with scientists. in Reassembling the Social where the matters of concern stuff is explored, he tries to drag his sociology of science into the proximity of a sociology of the social, but he has a long way to go yet. cultural studies people have been exploring those aspects missing from concepts like matters of concern for ages (such as the affects of alterity! etc). i think in a footnote in RtS Latour says something like his next project will involve exploring &#8216;regimes of reference&#8217;, which to me reads like a version of the Foucauldian &#8216;regimes of the sayable&#8217; which will be completely shot through with &#8216;cultural differences&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*guffaw*</description>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a pyjama person currently subject to the fluid performative trivialities of my digestive system, I&#039;m jist Lovink it! Indeed, my movements and related pseudo-events as such are no longer happening over there but are definitely being talked about over here - great binary rifts that transverse society; standing waves of nausea and dialectical top-down mechanisms in which friction is not yet traction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a pyjama person currently subject to the fluid performative trivialities of my digestive system, I&#8217;m jist Lovink it! Indeed, my movements and related pseudo-events as such are no longer happening over there but are definitely being talked about over here &#8211; great binary rifts that transverse society; standing waves of nausea and dialectical top-down mechanisms in which friction is not yet traction.</p>
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		<title>By: dk.au</title>
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		<dc:creator>dk.au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen, I still haven&#039;t digested this piece in its entirety - I would venture to suggest that sleep is a vital requirement for blogging in addition to courage - though I was struck by your conclusion:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Getting on my extra-high soap box: We should be trying to assemble the social from these relations of interest, involving what Bruno Latour has recently called âmatters of concern,â? rather than attempting to operate within an economy of expectation received from the commercial interests of âold mediaâ. A good example is the work Lovink is doing through his Institute of Networked Cultures&lt;/blockquote&gt;
By way of a semantic clarification (I hope):  When I put my Latour hat on, I&#039;m more interested in fueling serious debate about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/article2135586.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;headlines like this&lt;/a&gt; than encouraging &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/01/why_does_tim_blair_hate_americ_1.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this sort of tail-chasing&lt;/a&gt;.  Though, that&#039;s precisely the point of trans-disciplinary/exoteric discussion if you think critically about any &#039;deficit model&#039; of knowledge within the Western tradition - namely that schools of thought have always swapped properties and always will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, I still haven&#8217;t digested this piece in its entirety &#8211; I would venture to suggest that sleep is a vital requirement for blogging in addition to courage &#8211; though I was struck by your conclusion:</p>
<blockquote><p>Getting on my extra-high soap box: We should be trying to assemble the social from these relations of interest, involving what Bruno Latour has recently called âmatters of concern,â? rather than attempting to operate within an economy of expectation received from the commercial interests of âold mediaâ. A good example is the work Lovink is doing through his Institute of Networked Cultures</p></blockquote>
<p>By way of a semantic clarification (I hope):  When I put my Latour hat on, I&#8217;m more interested in fueling serious debate about <a href="http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/article2135586.ece" rel="nofollow">headlines like this</a> than encouraging <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/01/why_does_tim_blair_hate_americ_1.php" rel="nofollow">this sort of tail-chasing</a>.  Though, that&#8217;s precisely the point of trans-disciplinary/exoteric discussion if you think critically about any &#8216;deficit model&#8217; of knowledge within the Western tradition &#8211; namely that schools of thought have always swapped properties and always will.</p>
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