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		<title>By: Jade</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/11/the-politics-of-aurukun/#comment-284289</link>
		<dc:creator>Jade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There really needs to be a determined effort to train more Indigenous people for active work in the police force. I am sure there are rights and wrongs on both sides. However, riots often occur when one side or the other feels, rightly or wrongly, that its voice is not heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There really needs to be a determined effort to train more Indigenous people for active work in the police force. I am sure there are rights and wrongs on both sides. However, riots often occur when one side or the other feels, rightly or wrongly, that its voice is not heard.</p>
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		<title>By: sublime cowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/11/the-politics-of-aurukun/#comment-284288</link>
		<dc:creator>sublime cowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just posting a couple of articles some may find interesting from the Medical Journal of Australia:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/184_10_150506/pan10333_fm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Issues faced by GP&#039;s in Indigenous Communities&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/185_08_161006/wen10998_fm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Issues facing Aboriginal and TSI Men - male health, wellbeing and leadership&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just posting a couple of articles some may find interesting from the Medical Journal of Australia:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/184_10_150506/pan10333_fm.html" rel="nofollow">Issues faced by GP&#8217;s in Indigenous Communities</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/185_08_161006/wen10998_fm.html" rel="nofollow">Issues facing Aboriginal and TSI Men &#8211; male health, wellbeing and leadership</a></p>
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		<title>By: patrickg</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/11/the-politics-of-aurukun/#comment-284287</link>
		<dc:creator>patrickg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 01:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SatP,
        I think you can make a good case that spending time in jail, a criminal record, and fines are a reasonable disincentive for people.

I would find it amazing that you presume to speak for the people of Aurukun, and what they would regard a &#039;serious&#039; punishment - if you hadn&#039;t spent this whole thread speaking for them.

As for your definition of impunity, that&#039;s great; you can define any word however you want, but you will have to excuse me if I interpret it according to the more commonly shared definitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SatP,<br />
        I think you can make a good case that spending time in jail, a criminal record, and fines are a reasonable disincentive for people.</p>
<p>I would find it amazing that you presume to speak for the people of Aurukun, and what they would regard a &#8216;serious&#8217; punishment &#8211; if you hadn&#8217;t spent this whole thread speaking for them.</p>
<p>As for your definition of impunity, that&#8217;s great; you can define any word however you want, but you will have to excuse me if I interpret it according to the more commonly shared definitions.</p>
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		<title>By: David Jackmanson</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/11/the-politics-of-aurukun/#comment-284286</link>
		<dc:creator>David Jackmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nabakov, no matter how much you drink, there will still be enough left for Aboriginal people to damage themselves.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This may not be the answer you were expecting Dave - but it is somewhat how the world does really work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure what you mean. Are you pointing out that WASPs/Anglos etc have access to far better addiction-help services than black people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nabakov, no matter how much you drink, there will still be enough left for Aboriginal people to damage themselves.</p>
<blockquote><p>This may not be the answer you were expecting Dave &#8211; but it is somewhat how the world does really work.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean. Are you pointing out that WASPs/Anglos etc have access to far better addiction-help services than black people?</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/11/the-politics-of-aurukun/#comment-284285</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; what are you doing to help the black leaders and people who believe that there is a great deal of toxic, self destructive behaviour in Aboriginal communities and are trying to stop it?&quot;

Well personally I do my best to drink as much booze as possible so there&#039;ll less left for them that fucks on up it without the monied WASP support system available to chronic pissartists like moi.

This may not be the answer you were expecting Dave - but it is somewhat how the world does really work.

Now I need a drink after this protracted bout of manual typing by hand. On keyboards too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; what are you doing to help the black leaders and people who believe that there is a great deal of toxic, self destructive behaviour in Aboriginal communities and are trying to stop it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well personally I do my best to drink as much booze as possible so there&#8217;ll less left for them that fucks on up it without the monied WASP support system available to chronic pissartists like moi.</p>
<p>This may not be the answer you were expecting Dave &#8211; but it is somewhat how the world does really work.</p>
<p>Now I need a drink after this protracted bout of manual typing by hand. On keyboards too.</p>
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		<title>By: David Jackmanson</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/11/the-politics-of-aurukun/#comment-284284</link>
		<dc:creator>David Jackmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you feel that I am misguided to say there is lots of money allocated to indigenous-specific purposes?

Or do you feel that I am wrong when I say that indigenous spending is achieving positive outcomes which are disproportionately low considering the dollars put into it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Not&lt;/i&gt; what you first said.

Andrew Bartlett and Angharad said, between them:

&lt;blockquote&gt;On a per capita basis, Indigenous people get MUCH LESS expenditure on health, education, local infrastructure than other groups.

and

Angharad is right - on a per capita basis over time Indigneous people get much less than most others. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And you said

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bullsheet&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Implying that you believe that, over time, Indigenous people do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; get much less per capita than others.

So apart from resentful moaning about people who have been to university or got themselves elected thinking you are a yokel, do you have any figures to back up the &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; assertion you made?

Also, what are you doing to help the black leaders and people who believe that there is a great deal of toxic, self destructive behaviour in Aboriginal communities and are trying to stop it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you feel that I am misguided to say there is lots of money allocated to indigenous-specific purposes?</p>
<p>Or do you feel that I am wrong when I say that indigenous spending is achieving positive outcomes which are disproportionately low considering the dollars put into it?</p></blockquote>
<p><i>Not</i> what you first said.</p>
<p>Andrew Bartlett and Angharad said, between them:</p>
<blockquote><p>On a per capita basis, Indigenous people get MUCH LESS expenditure on health, education, local infrastructure than other groups.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>Angharad is right &#8211; on a per capita basis over time Indigneous people get much less than most others. </p></blockquote>
<p>And you said</p>
<blockquote><p>Bullsheet</p></blockquote>
<p>Implying that you believe that, over time, Indigenous people do <i>not</i> get much less per capita than others.</p>
<p>So apart from resentful moaning about people who have been to university or got themselves elected thinking you are a yokel, do you have any figures to back up the <i>actual</i> assertion you made?</p>
<p>Also, what are you doing to help the black leaders and people who believe that there is a great deal of toxic, self destructive behaviour in Aboriginal communities and are trying to stop it?</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/11/the-politics-of-aurukun/#comment-284283</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;nothing like a C-130 circling overhead dishing out some serious respect via miniguns &amp; generally brassing up the environs..&quot;

Some of my ancestors manned the 19th century equivalent - RN gunboats and frigates - up the Nile, around West Africa and in the South Pacific - all in the service of Lugardism and look at the fucking mess most of those spheres of operation are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;nothing like a C-130 circling overhead dishing out some serious respect via miniguns &amp; generally brassing up the environs..&#8221;</p>
<p>Some of my ancestors manned the 19th century equivalent &#8211; RN gunboats and frigates &#8211; up the Nile, around West Africa and in the South Pacific &#8211; all in the service of Lugardism and look at the fucking mess most of those spheres of operation are now.</p>
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		<title>By: steve at the pub</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve at the pub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, Nabakov, be nothing like a C-130 circling overhead dishing out some serious respect via miniguns &amp; generally brassing up the environs to curtail my thoughts of insurrection!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, Nabakov, be nothing like a C-130 circling overhead dishing out some serious respect via miniguns &amp; generally brassing up the environs to curtail my thoughts of insurrection!</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/11/the-politics-of-aurukun/#comment-284281</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look on the bright side. At least the yanks haven&#039;t intervened to quell this insurrection in a pointless corner of a strategic outpost.

I always liked how the Brits did it when distant administrative districts got of control (ie: aid to the civil power) - shoot or hang the ringleaders and then with the maximum of muddle totally give in to all the region&#039;s demands. Everyone then lived ever after in immense and sometimes happy confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look on the bright side. At least the yanks haven&#8217;t intervened to quell this insurrection in a pointless corner of a strategic outpost.</p>
<p>I always liked how the Brits did it when distant administrative districts got of control (ie: aid to the civil power) &#8211; shoot or hang the ringleaders and then with the maximum of muddle totally give in to all the region&#8217;s demands. Everyone then lived ever after in immense and sometimes happy confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: steve at the pub</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/11/the-politics-of-aurukun/#comment-284280</link>
		<dc:creator>steve at the pub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My definition of impunity PatrickG, in this case is that the riots only stopped when the rioters ran out of energy.

The riots did not stop, in either case, because of superior force being used against the rioters,

Nor because the rioters had fear of triggering retribution from the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My definition of impunity PatrickG, in this case is that the riots only stopped when the rioters ran out of energy.</p>
<p>The riots did not stop, in either case, because of superior force being used against the rioters,</p>
<p>Nor because the rioters had fear of triggering retribution from the law.</p>
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