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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/strange-alignments/comment-page-5/#comment-328560</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 04:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think recent segues indicate this thread has outlived its subject matter. If anyone wants to continue debating these issues, the Saturday Salon provides a forum to do so. 

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/20/saturday-salon-86/

Thanks for the discussion, folks, some of it frustrating but much of it interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think recent segues indicate this thread has outlived its subject matter. If anyone wants to continue debating these issues, the Saturday Salon provides a forum to do so. </p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/20/saturday-salon-86/" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/20/saturday-salon-86/</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the discussion, folks, some of it frustrating but much of it interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 04:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;That pivotal moment when the Shiite majority in the IGC both accepted the draft constitution and announced their disregard for it merits further consideration.

1. The Shiite majority could have behaved like good little democrats and played their part in the script written for them by the Bush administration.

Bush would have been very happy and the world would have ben more convinced about the success of Bushâ€™s democratic project in Iraq.

However, the Shiites would have been implicated as Bushâ€™s puppets, thus causing internal divisions and allowing other groups condemn them as traitors to the Iraqi nation.

2. The Shiite majority could have been outright rejectionist, thus making themselves the major US target and denying themselves of the benefits of incumbency in ministries and in charge of an army being funded by the US.

The danger here would have been that the Bush administration might have courted Sunni and secular allies in Iraq.

This would have been a very stupid Shiite strategy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All true, if your premise was correct. However in the detailed account Bremer gives the Islamist Shiites last minute sticking point was reviving the issue of the Kurds insistence on the 3-Governorates-can-reject-constitution-with-a-two-thirds-vote clause.

Earlier, the Islamist sticking point had been wanting the use of the definite article &quot;the &quot; instead of the indefinite &quot;a&quot; in the phrase &quot;Islam will be a source of legislation&quot;.

The Kurds, Sunnis and secular Shiites on the council all opposed the use of the definite article. They were adamently united against the notion of Shariah Law. Eventually it was solved by a SUNNI amendment adding the words  &quot;No law that contradicts the universally agreed tenets of Islam, the principles of democracy, or the rights cited in Chapter Two of this Law may be enacted during the transitional period.&quot; But the Shiites lost out on the definite article. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;3. The strategy the Shiites chose was acceptance of the draft constitution with major reservations.

Shiites took control of government and army funded by the US.

Sunnis were forced to play a role of enemies of the state of Iraq.

The US targeted the Sunni.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The US targeted the Sunni? No, it was the Shiites who were being targeted. It went like this: 

All sides on the IGC had finally come to agreement on the draft TAL (including the points above). Also Sistani had approved it. The Council broke for Ashura, a Shiite holy day and millions of pilgrims were in Najaf and Karbala. The signing ceremony was planned for after the holy days were over. 

On the first day of Ashura the Sunni Baathist  insurgents blew up  112 Shiite pilgrims outside a mosque in Karbala wounding hundreds of others and attacked another Shiite mosque in Baghdad.

When the Council reassembled the Islamists were intransigent - they had agreed to it before but now they would not allow an effective &quot;veto&quot; power to the Constitution. It&#039;s not hard to see the reason for their wobble - if the Kurds could veto the Constitution with a 2/3 vote in three Governorates, so could the Sunnis. And the Islamists had just been given a reminder of who the Sunni Baathists were really targeting - and it wasn&#039;t the occupation.

That&#039;s why the signing ceremony didn&#039;t go ahead. 

The Shiites held their ground for several days negotiating in a caucus with the Kurds, but in the end the Kurds won out. 

The Islamists settled for issuing their proclamation of reservations and gave notice they would fight another day. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Shiites bought time by allowing the resolve of the US in its Iraq adventure to erode.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well maybe. But maybe not. The Islamists revisited the issue 12 months later when the new Govt was drafting the final Constituion. They got the phrase &quot;fundamental source of legislation&quot; in relation to Islam but the qualifying indefinite article &quot;a&quot; remains.

The full Article 2 reads:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

B. No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established.

C. No law that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms stipulated in this constitution may be established.

Second: This Constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice such as Christians, Yazedis, and Mandi Sabeans.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This strategy is an evolution of the North Vietnamese strategy. But it is much more clever. The North Vietnamese were forced to fight and die to erode US resolve. The Shiites, on the other hand, have allowed their enemies to do the fighting and dying in the task of eroding US resolve. Brilliant!&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Well, accepting your vision of scheming, strategising Islamist Shiites far superior to the North Vietnamese, alas for them even if the US leaves tomorrow the Constitution will remain. 

It can only be amended (a) AFTER the next term of the electoral cycle (b) on a general referendum and (c)their Grand Strategy can be vetoed by the Kurd and the Sunnis.

The Islamists so far have only be able to muscle up 42 per cent of the vote, the Kurds and Sunnis have 20% each and the remaining 18% are secular Shiites, Independents, Turkomens, Christians, Communists etc. (These are the figures from the last election.)

So it&#039;s more than likely the Islamists would not even be able to carry the vote by a majority.

Short of overthrowing the Constitution by a coup, or another civil war the Islamists are pretty much stuck with it. And if they overthrow by means of violence they would run into a few problems of recognition from other countries and from the UN ..

I humbly suggest Ho would never have placed himself in such an individious position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz said:</p>
<blockquote><p>That pivotal moment when the Shiite majority in the IGC both accepted the draft constitution and announced their disregard for it merits further consideration.</p>
<p>1. The Shiite majority could have behaved like good little democrats and played their part in the script written for them by the Bush administration.</p>
<p>Bush would have been very happy and the world would have ben more convinced about the success of Bushâ€™s democratic project in Iraq.</p>
<p>However, the Shiites would have been implicated as Bushâ€™s puppets, thus causing internal divisions and allowing other groups condemn them as traitors to the Iraqi nation.</p>
<p>2. The Shiite majority could have been outright rejectionist, thus making themselves the major US target and denying themselves of the benefits of incumbency in ministries and in charge of an army being funded by the US.</p>
<p>The danger here would have been that the Bush administration might have courted Sunni and secular allies in Iraq.</p>
<p>This would have been a very stupid Shiite strategy.</p></blockquote>
<p>All true, if your premise was correct. However in the detailed account Bremer gives the Islamist Shiites last minute sticking point was reviving the issue of the Kurds insistence on the 3-Governorates-can-reject-constitution-with-a-two-thirds-vote clause.</p>
<p>Earlier, the Islamist sticking point had been wanting the use of the definite article &#8220;the &#8221; instead of the indefinite &#8220;a&#8221; in the phrase &#8220;Islam will be a source of legislation&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Kurds, Sunnis and secular Shiites on the council all opposed the use of the definite article. They were adamently united against the notion of Shariah Law. Eventually it was solved by a SUNNI amendment adding the words  &#8220;No law that contradicts the universally agreed tenets of Islam, the principles of democracy, or the rights cited in Chapter Two of this Law may be enacted during the transitional period.&#8221; But the Shiites lost out on the definite article. </p>
<blockquote><p>3. The strategy the Shiites chose was acceptance of the draft constitution with major reservations.</p>
<p>Shiites took control of government and army funded by the US.</p>
<p>Sunnis were forced to play a role of enemies of the state of Iraq.</p>
<p>The US targeted the Sunni.</p></blockquote>
<p>The US targeted the Sunni? No, it was the Shiites who were being targeted. It went like this: </p>
<p>All sides on the IGC had finally come to agreement on the draft TAL (including the points above). Also Sistani had approved it. The Council broke for Ashura, a Shiite holy day and millions of pilgrims were in Najaf and Karbala. The signing ceremony was planned for after the holy days were over. </p>
<p>On the first day of Ashura the Sunni Baathist  insurgents blew up  112 Shiite pilgrims outside a mosque in Karbala wounding hundreds of others and attacked another Shiite mosque in Baghdad.</p>
<p>When the Council reassembled the Islamists were intransigent &#8211; they had agreed to it before but now they would not allow an effective &#8220;veto&#8221; power to the Constitution. It&#8217;s not hard to see the reason for their wobble &#8211; if the Kurds could veto the Constitution with a 2/3 vote in three Governorates, so could the Sunnis. And the Islamists had just been given a reminder of who the Sunni Baathists were really targeting &#8211; and it wasn&#8217;t the occupation.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the signing ceremony didn&#8217;t go ahead. </p>
<p>The Shiites held their ground for several days negotiating in a caucus with the Kurds, but in the end the Kurds won out. </p>
<p>The Islamists settled for issuing their proclamation of reservations and gave notice they would fight another day. </p>
<blockquote><p>Shiites bought time by allowing the resolve of the US in its Iraq adventure to erode.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well maybe. But maybe not. The Islamists revisited the issue 12 months later when the new Govt was drafting the final Constituion. They got the phrase &#8220;fundamental source of legislation&#8221; in relation to Islam but the qualifying indefinite article &#8220;a&#8221; remains.</p>
<p>The full Article 2 reads:</p>
<p>First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:</p>
<p>A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.</p>
<p>B. No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established.</p>
<p>C. No law that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms stipulated in this constitution may be established.</p>
<p>Second: This Constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice such as Christians, Yazedis, and Mandi Sabeans.</p>
<blockquote><p>This strategy is an evolution of the North Vietnamese strategy. But it is much more clever. The North Vietnamese were forced to fight and die to erode US resolve. The Shiites, on the other hand, have allowed their enemies to do the fighting and dying in the task of eroding US resolve. Brilliant!</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, accepting your vision of scheming, strategising Islamist Shiites far superior to the North Vietnamese, alas for them even if the US leaves tomorrow the Constitution will remain. </p>
<p>It can only be amended (a) AFTER the next term of the electoral cycle (b) on a general referendum and (c)their Grand Strategy can be vetoed by the Kurd and the Sunnis.</p>
<p>The Islamists so far have only be able to muscle up 42 per cent of the vote, the Kurds and Sunnis have 20% each and the remaining 18% are secular Shiites, Independents, Turkomens, Christians, Communists etc. (These are the figures from the last election.)</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s more than likely the Islamists would not even be able to carry the vote by a majority.</p>
<p>Short of overthrowing the Constitution by a coup, or another civil war the Islamists are pretty much stuck with it. And if they overthrow by means of violence they would run into a few problems of recognition from other countries and from the UN ..</p>
<p>I humbly suggest Ho would never have placed himself in such an individious position.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Henry said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thatâ€™s right, we didnâ€™t have any of this pointy head rubbish in New South Wales&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed. That&#039;s why you gave us John Howard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Henry said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thatâ€™s right, we didnâ€™t have any of this pointy head rubbish in New South Wales</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed. That&#8217;s why you gave us John Howard.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Keeler</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/strange-alignments/comment-page-5/#comment-328110</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Welcome back Kim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QDSjB4raR4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Welcome back Kim <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QDSjB4raR4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QDSjB4raR4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just call me a fan girl.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://static.flickr.com/22/32912649_f159c6f051.jpg&quot; &lt;/&gt;

Just sayin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just call me a fan girl.</p>
<p><img src="http://static.flickr.com/22/32912649_f159c6f051.jpg" </></p>
<p>Just sayin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/strange-alignments/comment-page-4/#comment-327296</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares about Maoism when there&#039;s TEH SAPPHISM!!!

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.freewebtown.com/wow1/kikk/shane/Image12.jpg&quot; &lt;/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about Maoism when there&#8217;s TEH SAPPHISM!!!</p>
<p><img src="http://www.freewebtown.com/wow1/kikk/shane/Image12.jpg" </></p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane will bring about world peace single handedly!

&lt;img src=&quot;http://heykelley.com/twitch/foto/misc/shane.jpg&quot; &lt;/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane will bring about world peace single handedly!</p>
<p><img src="http://heykelley.com/twitch/foto/misc/shane.jpg" </></p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She could stop the Iraq war with a single pout!

&lt;img src=&quot;http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060322/163922__kmoennig_l.jpg&quot; &lt;/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She could stop the Iraq war with a single pout!</p>
<p><img src="http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060322/163922__kmoennig_l.jpg" </></p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane happened. And I want to marry her. Why, oh why, did she fall for that Latina dj chick with fake boobs?

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.afterellen.com/archive/ellen/TV/2006/photos/gender trouble l word/shane.jpg&quot; &lt;/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane happened. And I want to marry her. Why, oh why, did she fall for that Latina dj chick with fake boobs?</p>
<p><img src="http://www.afterellen.com/archive/ellen/TV/2006/photos/gender trouble l word/shane.jpg" </></p>
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		<title>By: Christine Keeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? That happened on the L-Word?</description>
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		<title>By: THE COLLECTIVE HIVE MIND</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE COLLECTIVE HIVE MIND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that the lesbian characters either get killed by nerds or have dangerous destroy the world if we&#039;re not sent to a hippy reeducation camp powers???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that the lesbian characters either get killed by nerds or have dangerous destroy the world if we&#8217;re not sent to a hippy reeducation camp powers???</p>
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		<title>By: Vampire-Willow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vampire-Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so evil and skanky. And I think I&#039;m kinda gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so evil and skanky. And I think I&#8217;m kinda gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upside of shootin&#039; off your mouth and lookin&#039; stupid, what is it you actually propose to &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; patrickm?

Your whole comment amounts to nothing more than this: you want everyone to agree with you. And maybe toss in the odd &quot;Rah-rah for Bonzo, manifest destiny and the inevitable coming of the great global whatchamacallit.&quot;

Strike the pose
Strike the pose
Vogue, vogue, vogue
Vogue, vogue, vogue

(Apologies to Elmore Leonard fans for that first line)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upside of shootin&#8217; off your mouth and lookin&#8217; stupid, what is it you actually propose to <em>do</em> patrickm?</p>
<p>Your whole comment amounts to nothing more than this: you want everyone to agree with you. And maybe toss in the odd &#8220;Rah-rah for Bonzo, manifest destiny and the inevitable coming of the great global whatchamacallit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Strike the pose<br />
Strike the pose<br />
Vogue, vogue, vogue<br />
Vogue, vogue, vogue</p>
<p>(Apologies to Elmore Leonard fans for that first line)</p>
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		<title>By: Buffybot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffybot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;ll put marzipan in your pie plate, Bingo.</description>
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		<title>By: patrickm</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrickm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDB you say;</p>
<blockquote><p>How? Now that â€œthis enemyâ€? has been handed on a platter the very conditions it requires to thrive and multiply, how are we to do this? All this talk of uniting progressives against a common enemy is just lovely, but what are you going to do?</p></blockquote>
<p>Firstly not throw up our hands and say that nothing can be done now that the Sunni Baathist tyranny has been ended.  </p>
<p>Even if youâ€™re right that Pandoraâ€™s box, has been opened by ending the lawful Baathist Tyranny of Saddam Hussein with the illegal liberation of the vast majority of the Iraqi peoples, it does not address the question of what is now to be done.  There is no putting Humpty back together again and the answer lies in opening the box once more because thatâ€™s where hope is. </p>
<p>The enemy cannot â€˜dry up the seaâ€™ by this type of bombing and thrive . </p>
<p>And when you say:</p>
<blockquote><p>What if those allies are sectarian nutjobs? </p></blockquote>
<p>Then the answer is to expose them and deal with them as you go.  It is the old problem Q) â€˜How do you eat an elephant?  A) Mouthful by mouthful!â€™</p>
<p>However when I said â€œalliesâ€? I was thinking first of the Coalition troops and thinking that they were the best circuit breaking forces for the Iraqi people who are being led into civil war as a blatant strategy of al Qaida.  They (the Iraqi peoples) have a great interest in not being provoked by their enemy.  </p>
<p>What I am saying is that the issue that immediately faces anti-racist activists, world-wide, is what stance to take on the â€˜newâ€™ war in Iraq. The â€˜oldâ€™ war has essentially ended, so itâ€™s only of historical interest and thatâ€™s fine for those who are interested. But anti-racist activists have to address the â€˜newâ€™ war to the extent that it has a racial or sectarian underpinning, and it overwhelmingly is so underpinned.   The Iraqi government must be both broadly supported and held to account as areas of Iraq are handed over to that governmentâ€™s control.  (Look to the Kurdish areas and regain your hope.)</p>
<p>The various peoplesâ€™ have voted under a constitution that they approved, and that has established the formal equality of all the peoplesâ€™, and both sexes, before the law.</p>
<p>A legitimate Iraqi government has now been established and this government has called for continued military and economic assistance.  Progressives ought to support them.</p>
<p>Local and foreign racists and sectarians of the most vicious kinds from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and so forth together with residual Baathists (with a shockingly racist history) and Shia death squads (sectarian nut jobs) are now waging their vicious racist war against the majority of the Iraqi peoplesâ€™ who are trying to build a country based on their non-racist constitution.</p>
<p>Anti-racist activists, irrespective of what our stance has been up-to-date, now have to come to terms with the new reality. It is as profound a turnaround for some as was the ending of the America First movement after 07/12/1942.  But the first step is to join the correct side and not sit on any fence when the enemy bred in the schools of the Islamo-fascists is blowing up students and staff at schools they disapprove of.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara B</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/strange-alignments/comment-page-4/#comment-326323</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re patrickm&#039;s comment:

After three and a half years, the failure of Iraq&#039;s universities &quot;to go out&quot; is indicative of the nil interest of the students in supporting the insurgency and one of the reasons why it should have been clear to anyone from the left that the insurgency does not enjoy widespread support in Iraq. 

It was only a matter of time before the insurgents turned their attacks on the students. Iraqi blogsites reported last November and December that Iraqi universities and schools were being leafleted by Sunni extremeists with demands that they boycott classes or else. Now they&#039;ve started to make good on their threats.</description>
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<p>After three and a half years, the failure of Iraq&#8217;s universities &#8220;to go out&#8221; is indicative of the nil interest of the students in supporting the insurgency and one of the reasons why it should have been clear to anyone from the left that the insurgency does not enjoy widespread support in Iraq. </p>
<p>It was only a matter of time before the insurgents turned their attacks on the students. Iraqi blogsites reported last November and December that Iraqi universities and schools were being leafleted by Sunni extremeists with demands that they boycott classes or else. Now they&#8217;ve started to make good on their threats.</p>
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		<title>By: Willow</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/strange-alignments/comment-page-4/#comment-326157</link>
		<dc:creator>Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 05:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I brought a candle. This one&#039;s extra flamey</description>
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		<title>By: Anyanka</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/strange-alignments/comment-page-4/#comment-326040</link>
		<dc:creator>Anyanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the ex-Demons?</description>
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		<title>By: Willow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you! You&#039;re gonna live forever, you don&#039;t have time for a cup of coffee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you! You&#8217;re gonna live forever, you don&#8217;t have time for a cup of coffee?</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you going to do, B? Throw me off the roof again?</description>
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