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	<title>Comments on: The other road toll &#8211; urban air pollution</title>
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		<title>By: James D</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/the-other-road-toll-urban-air-pollution/#comment-284818</link>
		<dc:creator>James D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does everyone know about a vehicle that is often as quick as any car around a city and certainly as quick as a car in dense traffic. It creates zero pollution. Also unlike solar powered or hydrogen powered cars, it is not a thing that may be available 10 years or longer in mass production in the future. It is available as a vehicle RIGHT NOW. It is also good for health and helps lower obesity..

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the to often forgotten technology
THE BICYCLE.

It is a technology that is too often forgotten about, or not even considered. In countries that have embraced the bicycle users report that travel into the city by bicycle, including parking is faster than in a car. Bicycles are good for health, and do not produce any air pollution when used, or emit greenhouse gas emisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does everyone know about a vehicle that is often as quick as any car around a city and certainly as quick as a car in dense traffic. It creates zero pollution. Also unlike solar powered or hydrogen powered cars, it is not a thing that may be available 10 years or longer in mass production in the future. It is available as a vehicle RIGHT NOW. It is also good for health and helps lower obesity..</p>
<p>Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the to often forgotten technology<br />
THE BICYCLE.</p>
<p>It is a technology that is too often forgotten about, or not even considered. In countries that have embraced the bicycle users report that travel into the city by bicycle, including parking is faster than in a car. Bicycles are good for health, and do not produce any air pollution when used, or emit greenhouse gas emisions.</p>
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		<title>By: steve munn</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/the-other-road-toll-urban-air-pollution/#comment-284817</link>
		<dc:creator>steve munn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Merkel:

&quot;... why aren’t there daily media releases from, oh, Bob Brown on the topic, instead of dozens on nuclear power whose risks are miniscule by comparison ?&quot;


As previously noted, it isn&#039;t Bob Brown&#039;s  portfolio and his responsibilities are already great, as the leader of a small party that runs on a shoestring budget.

But in terms of cold hard reality, minor parties become a little bit tired of holding press conferences/policy launches and writing media releases that no journo will bother with.  For the public and the media the issue you raise is a big yawn.  Sad but true.

As to the issue of alternative energies for cars, we should bear in mind that typically only about 3% of the energy used transports the passenger- the other 97% transports the weight of the vehicle.  Light weight vehicles, like carbon composite fibre vehicles, will hopefully make alternative energy sources much more viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Merkel:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; why aren’t there daily media releases from, oh, Bob Brown on the topic, instead of dozens on nuclear power whose risks are miniscule by comparison ?&#8221;</p>
<p>As previously noted, it isn&#8217;t Bob Brown&#8217;s  portfolio and his responsibilities are already great, as the leader of a small party that runs on a shoestring budget.</p>
<p>But in terms of cold hard reality, minor parties become a little bit tired of holding press conferences/policy launches and writing media releases that no journo will bother with.  For the public and the media the issue you raise is a big yawn.  Sad but true.</p>
<p>As to the issue of alternative energies for cars, we should bear in mind that typically only about 3% of the energy used transports the passenger- the other 97% transports the weight of the vehicle.  Light weight vehicles, like carbon composite fibre vehicles, will hopefully make alternative energy sources much more viable.</p>
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		<title>By: hannah</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/the-other-road-toll-urban-air-pollution/#comment-284816</link>
		<dc:creator>hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps I am being overly harsh in picking specifically on the Greens. But here is an envronmental issue that is killing thousands of people and making thousands more sick, and it’s happening right in our own backyards - indeed, statistically, it will certainly happen to people we know personally (though attributing specific deaths to it is unlikely). Why aren’t we all shouting from the rooftops and demanding stronger action on it?

It was the gist of your first sentence in your OP to which I objected.
The rest, as above, I would wholeheartedly endorse.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps I am being overly harsh in picking specifically on the Greens. But here is an envronmental issue that is killing thousands of people and making thousands more sick, and it’s happening right in our own backyards &#8211; indeed, statistically, it will certainly happen to people we know personally (though attributing specific deaths to it is unlikely). Why aren’t we all shouting from the rooftops and demanding stronger action on it?</p>
<p>It was the gist of your first sentence in your OP to which I objected.<br />
The rest, as above, I would wholeheartedly endorse.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: The Devil Drink</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/01/15/the-other-road-toll-urban-air-pollution/#comment-284815</link>
		<dc:creator>The Devil Drink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t knock public transport, Jay Pee Zee. The time convenience you sacrifice waiting at the stop at the end of the street is more than made up for the ability to ride it when you&#039;re too drunk to operate a car on you&#039;re own, and let&#039;s face it, the morning commute wouldn&#039;t be the same otherwise.
Would Rosa Parks, tired of standing at the back of the bus, just have said &quot;Fuck it, I&#039;m going to campaign for an individual transportation solution for Montgomery&quot;? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t knock public transport, Jay Pee Zee. The time convenience you sacrifice waiting at the stop at the end of the street is more than made up for the ability to ride it when you&#8217;re too drunk to operate a car on you&#8217;re own, and let&#8217;s face it, the morning commute wouldn&#8217;t be the same otherwise.<br />
Would Rosa Parks, tired of standing at the back of the bus, just have said &#8220;Fuck it, I&#8217;m going to campaign for an individual transportation solution for Montgomery&#8221;? I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDB, not many cars spend their days parked out in the sun.  Why would you put expensive solar cells on a car when they&#039;ll spend most of their time in carports and underground car parks, when you could put them on roofs?

The only benefit of putting them on cars would be that it charges up the car while you&#039;re driving, extending the range.  But the amount of power you&#039;d gain is so small the range extension would be very marginal, not justifying the extra cost and weight.

Yes, this means I am extremely skeptical of their research project.

Electric cars are a definite possibility.  Solar cars no.


J_p_z: you might be interested in &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Rapid_Transit&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Personal Rapid Transit&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDB, not many cars spend their days parked out in the sun.  Why would you put expensive solar cells on a car when they&#8217;ll spend most of their time in carports and underground car parks, when you could put them on roofs?</p>
<p>The only benefit of putting them on cars would be that it charges up the car while you&#8217;re driving, extending the range.  But the amount of power you&#8217;d gain is so small the range extension would be very marginal, not justifying the extra cost and weight.</p>
<p>Yes, this means I am extremely skeptical of their research project.</p>
<p>Electric cars are a definite possibility.  Solar cars no.</p>
<p>J_p_z: you might be interested in <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Rapid_Transit" rel="nofollow">Personal Rapid Transit</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;waiting around for hours&quot;

?????

Not in Melbourne, matey! Anyhoo, I knew whatcha meant, I was just having a go. Robot chariots is a nice idea, but I&#039;d only back it once they&#039;ve perfected the wise-cracking robot bartender. First things first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;waiting around for hours&#8221;</p>
<p>?????</p>
<p>Not in Melbourne, matey! Anyhoo, I knew whatcha meant, I was just having a go. Robot chariots is a nice idea, but I&#8217;d only back it once they&#8217;ve perfected the wise-cracking robot bartender. First things first.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean little, mini, individually-operated trams, that go wherever *you* need to go, instead of you waiting around for hours to be packed on a thing that stops and starts forever, and only *kinda* takes you where you need to go.  If we&#039;re talking solar power, why the hell not?  The sun&#039;s buying.  Every house could have a solar panel that feeds the grid, and the power slots could charge the thing up while you drove along main avenues, with enough power saved up to get you into the side streets when you needed to.  Then, back onto the slots on the avenues when you were running low.

Either that, or chariots drawn by robots, which I confess would look a whole lot cooler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean little, mini, individually-operated trams, that go wherever *you* need to go, instead of you waiting around for hours to be packed on a thing that stops and starts forever, and only *kinda* takes you where you need to go.  If we&#8217;re talking solar power, why the hell not?  The sun&#8217;s buying.  Every house could have a solar panel that feeds the grid, and the power slots could charge the thing up while you drove along main avenues, with enough power saved up to get you into the side streets when you needed to.  Then, back onto the slots on the avenues when you were running low.</p>
<p>Either that, or chariots drawn by robots, which I confess would look a whole lot cooler.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean trams?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean trams?</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>File under the &quot;it sounds crazy, buuuut...&quot; dept. ...

Why necessarily think of solar-powered cars in terms of personal car ownership?  Why not think of them on, say, a slot-car model?  At least in the cities.  Say a fleet of small, individual public cars in an inner city area, all available for rental or free for the day&#039;s use on an availability basis, all plugged via a citywide slot or groove system into a solar powered electric grid.  If you want to own your own car, use it for trips out into the country, man!  But in the city, grab yourself one of those neat little free cars lined up down on your corner like shopping carts at a supermarket, sign in for the day, plug into the SolarGrid, and go, go, go...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>File under the &#8220;it sounds crazy, buuuut&#8230;&#8221; dept. &#8230;</p>
<p>Why necessarily think of solar-powered cars in terms of personal car ownership?  Why not think of them on, say, a slot-car model?  At least in the cities.  Say a fleet of small, individual public cars in an inner city area, all available for rental or free for the day&#8217;s use on an availability basis, all plugged via a citywide slot or groove system into a solar powered electric grid.  If you want to own your own car, use it for trips out into the country, man!  But in the city, grab yourself one of those neat little free cars lined up down on your corner like shopping carts at a supermarket, sign in for the day, plug into the SolarGrid, and go, go, go&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert - the first link from Paul says a day in the sun equates to 50km extension - seems like plenty to me. My car never goes that far in a day unless I&#039;m out in the sticks. But even if it isn&#039;t enough to run the car outright, it can&#039;t hurt.

A solar car that can generate its own power, combined with the ability to plug it into the grid when the sun&#039;s not out, combined with direct-to-grid generation from a roof panel in the home looks good to me. This is based on my recieved understanding that transmitting power is more efficient and less polluting than storing it. Is that right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8211; the first link from Paul says a day in the sun equates to 50km extension &#8211; seems like plenty to me. My car never goes that far in a day unless I&#8217;m out in the sticks. But even if it isn&#8217;t enough to run the car outright, it can&#8217;t hurt.</p>
<p>A solar car that can generate its own power, combined with the ability to plug it into the grid when the sun&#8217;s not out, combined with direct-to-grid generation from a roof panel in the home looks good to me. This is based on my recieved understanding that transmitting power is more efficient and less polluting than storing it. Is that right?</p>
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