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  1. Anna Winter

    7-11s and baseball bats?

    Not very Aussie.

  2. anthony

    In fact, drivers who obey the speed limit can often be more dangerous than those who go at the speed of other drivers.

    Because ahm err…

  3. John

    In fact, drivers who obey the speed limit can often be more dangerous than those who go at the speed of other drivers.

    Because ahm err…

    Well, it’s obvious innit? People who obey the road rules get everybody else all riled up, making them prone to being in accidents. There’s that and all the dodging and weaving you have to do to get around the little suckers – tricky work, especially in the wet.

    I saw that article .. well, I saw the opening sentence and the “dangers of observing the speed limit” quote, which was highlighted as a teaser, and moved right along.

  4. grace pettigrew

    Like Anna, I was impressed by how american this article sounds – “store windows”, “7-elevens”, and “baseball bats”. Who is Chris Berg anyway, besides being paid by the IPA to disseminate right-wing propaganda.

  5. Andyc

    What is Berg so wrried about?

    What has Berg or the IPA done that is dobbable?

  6. GongGuru

    Chris Berg is just firing the opening salvo in a move to deregulate the road rules which are obviously a restriction on individual liberty.

    No doubt Chris considers speed signs and traffic lights as merely advisory and he wants a market approach to pedestrian crossings – It is up to the driver to balance the cost of damage to his car from hitting a pedestrian with the loss in earnings/time by stopping at a crossing.

    Chris is probably very upset that the NT Government is finally putting in speed restrictions on its roads (because people were somehow managing to crash their cars at speed on dead straight roads with no one on them at about 5 times as the rest of the country)

  7. Helen

    I saw that article .. well, I saw the opening sentence and the “dangers of observing the speed limitâ€? quote, which was highlighted as a teaser, and moved right along.

    Quite right John. There are only so many hours in the day.

  8. Helen

    On a more serious note – if you’re a neoliberal or libertarian, how can you argue that capitalism can function without knowledge- i.e. people dobbing in your business if it charges more for the same product?

  9. Anna Winter

    Chris responds.

  10. Robert Merkel

    Gummo, while I fully agree with you that speeding down suburban streets is a particularly stupid idea, it’s not as simple as high school physics. The skills of the average driver (or, more precisely, the lack of them) are also at issue.

    The vast majority of drivers don’t use the maximum braking force available the brakes in a crash situation. Manufacturers have had to introduce Brake Assist, which, essentially, slams on the brakes and holds them on if it thinks you’re trying to do a crash stop.

    Speeding is a problem, but it’s by no means the only driver failing out there.

  11. CrankyNick

    I’ve always defined ‘dobbing’ as something done with the intent of getting someone into trouble – and doing so on a persistent basis.

    So ringing the water line on a neighbour who’s using a couple of thousand litres a day on watering a couple of marigolds and a lemon tree isn’t ‘dobbing’ – but running them in for watering their plants, jaywalking, opening a bottle of wine in a public park, and spitting on the street would be.

    There’s an element of petty malice in the way that I conceptualise ‘dobbing’, that I don’t think that Chris Berg is recognising.

  12. wbb

    Robert Merkel – I’d like to hear me on how driver skills can overcome the laws of physics please?

  13. FDB

    “There’s an element of petty malice in the way that I conceptualise ‘dobbing’, that I don’t think that Chris Berg is recognising.”

    Oh no, he recognises it. He defines “petty malice” as “dobbing for things I don’t think are a big deal”. You only differ on where you draw that line.

    Much more silly for me is the suggestion that anti-dobbing culture is a really important foundation of trust in society. The most important sort of trust – the security of knowing you’re unlikely to be robbed, bashed, ripped off, murdered with impunity, is a product of our trust that people dob when it’s important.

    The only trust we get from anti-dobbing is the trust that we won’t get caught for petty offences – well, you could always, y’know, not commit them.

  14. John Humphreys

    “On a more serious note – if you’re a neoliberal or libertarian, how can you argue that capitalism can function without knowledge- i.e. people dobbing in your business if it charges more for the same product?”

    What is a neo-liberal anyway?

    But in answer to your question, capitalism (or any political philosophy for that matter) can’t function without knowledge. Though it can function perfectly well without perfect knowledge. Indeed, perfect knowledge would be inefficient.

  15. John Humphreys

    wbb: “Robert Merkel – I’d like to hear me on how driver skills can overcome the laws of physics please?”

    Robert Merkel didn’t say that driver skills overcome the laws of physics. He was saying that speed isn’t the only contributor to safety in a car.

  16. CrankyNick

    He defines “petty maliceâ€? as “dobbing for things I don’t think are a big dealâ€?. You only differ on where you draw that line.

    No, I don’t think so. I define dobbing as a persistent and malicious outsourcing of bullying. A complaint about every infraction of every rule is nothing more than bullying by proxy, for mine, and I have a problem with that.

    I agree that his thesis about trust is utter bollocks – but I do worry that the Government is encouraging a surveillance culture within our community:

    The only trust we get from anti-dobbing is the trust that we won’t get caught for petty offences well, you could always, y’know, not commit them.

    I don’t see how this differs substantially from: “If you haven’t done anything wrong, what have you got to worry about?”

  17. Robert Merkel

    wbb: put simply, most drivers don’t utilise the brakes to their full extent in panic stop situations. The difference between the theoretical best braking distances, and what mug drivers actually do in the real world, is in the order of 20%.

    There are other factors – for instance, tyre tests by motoring magazines suggest that braking distances can vary in the order of 5-6% or so between brands; and, yes, el cheapo no-brand Chinese and Indonesian tyres are the worst by some margin. Not keeping your tyres at the recommended pressures can also add a couple of percent or so.

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