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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/05/shadow-summit/#comment-278758</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Norton, while I respect your opinion of the CFMEU&#039;s good faith, the fact is that they will prove an obstacle to the succesful winding down of the coal industry. It&#039;s human nature.

The forestry division were probably decent unionists too at one point. But when their livelihoods were threatened, instead of seeing the writing on the wall and adjusting to the new reality while they had time, they turned reactionary. The coal miners will do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Norton, while I respect your opinion of the CFMEU&#8217;s good faith, the fact is that they will prove an obstacle to the succesful winding down of the coal industry. It&#8217;s human nature.</p>
<p>The forestry division were probably decent unionists too at one point. But when their livelihoods were threatened, instead of seeing the writing on the wall and adjusting to the new reality while they had time, they turned reactionary. The coal miners will do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: salvador dahlia</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/05/shadow-summit/#comment-278757</link>
		<dc:creator>salvador dahlia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are too kind. He didn&#039;t hear the question because he is old and grey and tired. He&#039;s been deaf for a long time, but doesn&#039;t usuallly stuff it up like that.

Or, if he does, it&#039;s not widely reported by a media in thrall to their man of steel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are too kind. He didn&#8217;t hear the question because he is old and grey and tired. He&#8217;s been deaf for a long time, but doesn&#8217;t usuallly stuff it up like that.</p>
<p>Or, if he does, it&#8217;s not widely reported by a media in thrall to their man of steel.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/05/shadow-summit/#comment-278756</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of old and grey, the reason why Howard got his answer mixed up on the drought and emissions was obviously his hearing loss. But he couldn&#039;t bring himself to admit that or he&#039;d remind people of his age. A bit sad really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of old and grey, the reason why Howard got his answer mixed up on the drought and emissions was obviously his hearing loss. But he couldn&#8217;t bring himself to admit that or he&#8217;d remind people of his age. A bit sad really.</p>
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		<title>By: salvador dahlia</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/05/shadow-summit/#comment-278755</link>
		<dc:creator>salvador dahlia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, I like your style.

Did anyone think Howard looked old and grey on the telly tonight? I mean, Rudd looked young and grey, but also prime ministerial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I like your style.</p>
<p>Did anyone think Howard looked old and grey on the telly tonight? I mean, Rudd looked young and grey, but also prime ministerial.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/05/shadow-summit/#comment-278754</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this concern for Labor and Rudd&#039;s tactics should be framed by the remoteness of the actual election.

Some posters feel that Rudd can just coast into government pointing out Howard&#039;s failures. This isn&#039;t true because a) people don&#039;t know him well, and b) he doesn&#039;t have a lot of credibility as a policymaker. The idea of the Australia Day ad was to address a) and the summit to address b), all well ahead of the election. Salvador is right. It&#039;s one of Howard&#039;s mantras that you can&#039;t fatten the pig on market day, and Rudd is doing the unsexy wonky stuff well ahead of the more-heat-than-light environment of the election campaign.

Yes, Rudd will be in trouble if he does too much of one or the other. But what seems to be happening here is that Rudd is closing off Howard&#039;s options. If Howard can&#039;t whip up fear (Labor is unknown, untried; they might stuff it up; isn&#039;t Julia Gillard frightful?), he&#039;ll have to battle Rudd on the level but arid battlefields of policy.

True, Howard could call an election at any time. Despite the attempts of the media to present an immediacy to this story that it just doesn&#039;t have, and despite the question behind polling, &lt;i&gt;there wasn&#039;t a election last weekend and there won&#039;t be one this weekend either&lt;/i&gt;.

Whenever a poll comes out Rudd tells people to take a cold shower - sound advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this concern for Labor and Rudd&#8217;s tactics should be framed by the remoteness of the actual election.</p>
<p>Some posters feel that Rudd can just coast into government pointing out Howard&#8217;s failures. This isn&#8217;t true because a) people don&#8217;t know him well, and b) he doesn&#8217;t have a lot of credibility as a policymaker. The idea of the Australia Day ad was to address a) and the summit to address b), all well ahead of the election. Salvador is right. It&#8217;s one of Howard&#8217;s mantras that you can&#8217;t fatten the pig on market day, and Rudd is doing the unsexy wonky stuff well ahead of the more-heat-than-light environment of the election campaign.</p>
<p>Yes, Rudd will be in trouble if he does too much of one or the other. But what seems to be happening here is that Rudd is closing off Howard&#8217;s options. If Howard can&#8217;t whip up fear (Labor is unknown, untried; they might stuff it up; isn&#8217;t Julia Gillard frightful?), he&#8217;ll have to battle Rudd on the level but arid battlefields of policy.</p>
<p>True, Howard could call an election at any time. Despite the attempts of the media to present an immediacy to this story that it just doesn&#8217;t have, and despite the question behind polling, <i>there wasn&#8217;t a election last weekend and there won&#8217;t be one this weekend either</i>.</p>
<p>Whenever a poll comes out Rudd tells people to take a cold shower &#8211; sound advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wbb,

The Mining &amp; Energy Division has previously had bones to pick with the ALP over climate change policy, but on those occasions it never looked remotely like turning on the kind of hissy fit which the Forestry Division turned on in the 2004 election campaign.  The Mining &amp; Energy Division is the left of the left of the trade union movement, and given its politics and ideology it will not pursue its global warming agenda in a way which is harmful to the wider labour movement or to Labor&#039;s chances of defeating the Coalition this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wbb,</p>
<p>The Mining &amp; Energy Division has previously had bones to pick with the ALP over climate change policy, but on those occasions it never looked remotely like turning on the kind of hissy fit which the Forestry Division turned on in the 2004 election campaign.  The Mining &amp; Energy Division is the left of the left of the trade union movement, and given its politics and ideology it will not pursue its global warming agenda in a way which is harmful to the wider labour movement or to Labor&#8217;s chances of defeating the Coalition this year.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/05/shadow-summit/#comment-278752</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Mining &amp; Energy Division may find bones to pick with Rudd over specific aspects of climate change policy, but come the election it will be running as hard as any other union against Howard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I want that written in blood, please. The CFMEU white paper on CO2 that Paul linked to last year was not that impressive as I recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Mining &amp; Energy Division may find bones to pick with Rudd over specific aspects of climate change policy, but come the election it will be running as hard as any other union against Howard.</p></blockquote>
<p>I want that written in blood, please. The CFMEU white paper on CO2 that Paul linked to last year was not that impressive as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/05/shadow-summit/#comment-278751</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 04:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salvador Dahlia, that&#039;s an interesting point. It might work if it works. The other risk is that it just becomes or is seen as a stunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salvador Dahlia, that&#8217;s an interesting point. It might work if it works. The other risk is that it just becomes or is seen as a stunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Salvador Dahlia</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/05/shadow-summit/#comment-278750</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvador Dahlia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, just come over from reading the Crikey article. Mark, I think you are wrong to say that Rudd is making a mistake to display the skills of a PM as opposition leader. Beazley specialised in carping from the sidelines, bleating about keeping the govenrment honest, it did nothing for him. If people are going to vote for Rudd they want a sense of what he will be like in government. Even if this summit does turn into a bunfight between interest groups he gets a bucket of media coverage whilst doing it, and is seen to be listening and forming policy in public. He also gets lots of good talking points to lob at the government. Unlike the PM&#039;s water plan which was drawn up on the back of an envelope by a few mandarins, this is someone out there, demonstrating their willingness to take on new ideas. Jesus, the ALP used to do this stuff all the time and it was what got them into Parliament in 1983. More power to them.

BTW, Paul Norton is right. I know the CFMEU have also been engaging with their members on the issue of climate change - in fact they have a position paper out that is about winning consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, just come over from reading the Crikey article. Mark, I think you are wrong to say that Rudd is making a mistake to display the skills of a PM as opposition leader. Beazley specialised in carping from the sidelines, bleating about keeping the govenrment honest, it did nothing for him. If people are going to vote for Rudd they want a sense of what he will be like in government. Even if this summit does turn into a bunfight between interest groups he gets a bucket of media coverage whilst doing it, and is seen to be listening and forming policy in public. He also gets lots of good talking points to lob at the government. Unlike the PM&#8217;s water plan which was drawn up on the back of an envelope by a few mandarins, this is someone out there, demonstrating their willingness to take on new ideas. Jesus, the ALP used to do this stuff all the time and it was what got them into Parliament in 1983. More power to them.</p>
<p>BTW, Paul Norton is right. I know the CFMEU have also been engaging with their members on the issue of climate change &#8211; in fact they have a position paper out that is about winning consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/05/shadow-summit/#comment-278749</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura Tingle in the &lt;i&gt;AFR&lt;/i&gt; today says that Rudd announced his climate summit to gazump Howard. Rudd&#039;s intelligence was that Howard was going to announce a summit on climate change.

Rudd&#039;s intelligence was wrong. For &#039;climate change&#039; read &#039;water&#039;.

But Tingle stll sees Rudd as scoring because he broadened the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura Tingle in the <i>AFR</i> today says that Rudd announced his climate summit to gazump Howard. Rudd&#8217;s intelligence was that Howard was going to announce a summit on climate change.</p>
<p>Rudd&#8217;s intelligence was wrong. For &#8216;climate change&#8217; read &#8216;water&#8217;.</p>
<p>But Tingle stll sees Rudd as scoring because he broadened the issue.</p>
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