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  1. Enemy Combatant

    Qld. police union are squealing like stuck pigs because this case could set a dangerous precedent from their point of view, because this is the first time that the likes of SS(senior sargeant)Hurley have been charged with manslaughter after so many Black Deaths in Custody. There’s only so many deaths that can be deemed accidental.

    Some coppers go way beyond the corruption of say,Joh’s former police commissioner Terry Lewis, when they give vent to their racism and sadism while hiding, Phil Ruddock style , behind a badge.

    We pay police wages and most of of us live within the law. If we don’t, we get pinged. Why should coppers be treated any differently?

  2. David Jackmanson

    Went to the ‘Taking to the Streets’ exhibition last year at the MoB and took this photo of a ‘Pig City’ poster with Russ Hinze (I think) astride a police bike.

    While I morally agree with everything said here and at Senator Bartlett’s article, I think that nowadays the police are on the back foot and are not in as strong a position as they must have been even in 1987. Street marches are the tactics of those who feel they are outside the system.

    Even Steve at the Pub appears to think that their campaign is going nowhere fast.

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/02/queensland-police-union-tactics/#comment-344306

    And I can’t imagine 1987-era cops demanding cameras in every police station!

    It’s interesting that the culture of fear that was spread as a matter of deliberate policy by the police and National Party lasts for such a long time.

    Mark, did you, or people you knew in general, have any inkling in 1987 that a smashing defeat for the National Party/corrupt police power structure was just a couple of years away?

  3. Darryl Rosin

    For my own part, I recall that by late ’87 the government had literally collapsed. There was mayhem in the Nats, with Joh avoiding being replaced as leader only because he refused to convene a Party Room meeting. The management committee of the party ended up removing him and appointing Ahern, but Joh refused to resign as premier for a week. With Joh’s cult of personality gone, it suddenly seemed like anything was possible.

  4. Lefty E

    Yes, and his final exit was gratifyingly humiliating too.

    Once he’d lost Nationals support, he first tried to stitch up a desperate deal with the ALP, who laughed in the corrupt old coot’s face.

    Then he tried getting Her Madge onboard to retain the Premiership. Naturally, she declined.

    Desperate bunker exercise, then the fall.

    One funny footnote: Once Goss was installed in 89, a great trick was getting access to your own special branch file, and circulating it at parties.

    Several lefties were rather depressed to discover they didnt have one.

  5. steve at the pub

    From the moment “The Moonlight State” hit the screen, it was clear to me that a change of government was immenent in Qld.

    It was difficult to imagine what life would be like without Joh, he had been around so long his presence was an institution. An atmosphere of uncertainty, excitment and awareness built up in the (20 odd?) months between that moment and the election, as we observed history unfold, albiet unfold quite slowly.

  6. Mark

    Yes, me too. Watching that program suddenly made it clear that the dam could break. steve sums up the subsequent atmosphere well.

  7. steve

    The trouble was that with the electoral malapportionment, the National Party of that era, could rule with the help of a weak compliant Liberal Party with less than 20% of the vote. Electorates in Brisbane would have about 30,000 voters and country ones about 4,000. So basically the SE Corner was seriously disadvantaged with few MP’s elected but more people living here.

    Labor at the time were a hopeless outfit that had the anti midas touch much as is the case for conservatives now. They opposed only under duress and the real opposition was in the streets where mass arrests of almost 500 people were commonplace. Police would arrive from Dalby to Bundaberg,amd both coasts to bash and detain demonstrators.

    4zzz began broadcasting about the time of the Whitlam dismissal and mustered people together whenever the outrageous acts like the destruction of the Belview Hotel occurred. The Deen brothers came to the demo under police escort ,legs dangling over the side of lowloaders and near died with fright when they saw almost 10,000 people gathered there.

    The old Communist Party headquarters where 4zzz now is was bombed and the building still has structural damage from the blast. The police of course still have found nobody to charge. The band “The Saints” used to have to practice at the CPA (now 4zzz) basement because the police would harrass them whever they set up to practice.

    A ludicrous era in Queensland history but it taught us never to believe the rhetoric of the police culture. To see how great the Courier Mail was in that era go to a library andd check out how closely knit the paper was with the National Party. I near spewed when the paper come out on the weekend after it was announced that Bionkers -Peterson was to be knighted. Sychophants of the world had united.

  8. Darryl Rosin

    “Once he’d lost Nationals support, he first tried to stitch up a desperate deal with the ALP, who laughed in the corrupt old coot’s face.”

    God, I remember watching Peter Beattie, the then State Secretary of the ALP, acting in a dramatisation of the negotiations on State Affair (or Today Tonight?) back in the day. I’m not entirely sure they didn’t reach some sort of deal. I remember Joh wanting Parliamentary support in the event of a confindence vote (“You can have anything except an election”) and Beattie saying Joh’s leadership was an electoral asset to the ALP. It never came to that in the end, but they were mad, crazy times.

    If I had time on my hands I’d find a copy and put it on YouTube.

    Hmm thinking of those days turns my mind turn to the big ‘what if’ of modern Qld politics: ‘How different would things have been if Denis Murphy hadn’t died?’ (and related to that, is unexpected death a particularly Qld Labor curse? Murphy, Ryan and Milliner come to mind. That seem more that our fair share.)

    d

  9. j_p_z

    As an aside, “The Parameters” is a *great* name for a band (did they ever do Meters covers?), and “The phones have ears” is a beautifully tight bit of satiric-songwriting craftsmanship. (I actually think the phrase is even stronger without the parallel of “the walls have eyes,” but that’s just me…)

  10. Angharad

    j_p_z – I’m pretty sure they didn’t do covers of anything. :)

    And Mark, you’ve forgotten all the “Pig City” bits that from memory are peppered throughout the verses! The bits that everyone could sing along to (in a manner of speaking probably more like scream). Mind you that would probably make it scan even worse.

  11. steve

    On a slightly more modern note, there is a great interview between journalists and the Police on the Cybernana Riot Day CD put out by 4ZZZ from the era when the Nationals beat Goss and it didn’t take the police union long to begin their dirty tricks campaign.

    By the time the Cybernana 4ZZZ Market Day arrived on October 19 1996 with riot police, horses and the army all involved in creating mayhem, journalists were in no mood to cop the rubbish that the Police and National Party served up and the Press conference the following Monday morning with all the stupidities of the Queensland Police Union in full flight is preserved forever.

    The way the Nationals vote is dissolving now means that I will, in all likelihood never see another National Party dominated government in Queensland as long as I live despite Flegg promising me last week that I would.

    He really needs to get a grip on himself, where was he and what was he doing when all this Queensland history was being created by the Nationals and the Police Union? The Nationals and the Police Union have had too many chances but always prove themselves incapable of civilised behaviour.

  12. Mark

    I think the Parameters were a one song show, j_p_z.

    Angharad, yeah, I remember that, but I transcribed the lyrics from Andrew’s book, and that’s what was in there. Does anyone have a copy of the single? It’d be great to digitise it. I guess zzz probably would…

  13. Nabakov

    “… the destruction of the Belview Hotel occurred.”

    I assume you mean the Bellevue Hotel. Demolishing that wonderful old palace was very bad. And then they illegally ripped down Cloudland one night. That was really terrible. Generations were conceived there, grew up there, partied on there and then conceived other generations there. Not to mention I had one of the best fucks of my life in a dim corner of an second floor Cloudland balcony while Mental As Anything were belting out “Just Like Romeo And Juliet” downstairs.

    And the utter stupidity of this vandalism from Joh and co’s POV is that a refurbished Bellevue Hotel and Cloudland would now be generating far more state tax revenue and jobs than the gimcrack developments that replaced them.

  14. Andrew Bartlett

    I was at that concert Nabakov! I’ll never be able to think of it the same way again. No wonder Joh got Cloudland demolished, with such debauchery afoot.

    I’ve got a copy of the single Mark – on some strange round black material with a big long groove in it. The b-side is titled Material Possessions. As far as I know that was their only recordings.

    It’s also on the ‘Behind the Banana Curtain’ compilation CD put out by ZZZ in 2000.

  15. steve

    Oops sorry Nabakov,was too tired to be bothered going and having a look at a titled sketch of the Bellevue I have in the next room.

  16. Lefty E

    I definitely saw the Parameters play Boundary St festival in 1996; on some brief comeback gig. So, evidently they had one set of material, at least.

  17. Damian

    Oh, boy, rhose were the days, I would absolutely LOVe to get my hands on the video clip for this song, do you remember it? A bunch of barge – arsed coppers waddling down the then HQ Makerston St, shot from behind with a handycam… Funny as hell. Then just a coupl-a-years later, we had Victoria Brazil… (Not that anyone I knew would have HAD her per se, but a mate of mine ended up on TV when we stormed the UQ SU offices & he plunked himself down in her chair & declared himself the new Fuhrer. Ah, the good old days… DM Act etc notwithstanding a fun time to be alive.. Anyone else remember the song “Iwas being verballed, I was being Framed”?

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