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		<title>By: Uncle Milton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Milton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin

You just said you got $25000 for 10 days work which included airfaires. Let&#039;s say you made two trips to Queensland at a cost of $1000 each that means your fees were around $2300 per day, which sounds about right for a consultant like yourself.

That being the case, why did you say earlier your charged only $500 per day, a figure that is ludicrously and incredibly low?

I don&#039;t see why you should be embarassed about being able to charge $2K  per day for your services, if you can find someone who is willing to pay it. That is less than a junior to mid person at one of the big accounting firms. Top QCs make 5 times as much. Tim Flannery gets $50K for giving a talk on climatre change.  Bill Clinton gets hundreds of thousands per talk, as did Margaret Thatcher before bad health stopped her. 

Of course, if you got the Queensland work through political connections rather than a transparent tender that might be considered problematic, but for the Queensland government, not you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin</p>
<p>You just said you got $25000 for 10 days work which included airfaires. Let&#8217;s say you made two trips to Queensland at a cost of $1000 each that means your fees were around $2300 per day, which sounds about right for a consultant like yourself.</p>
<p>That being the case, why did you say earlier your charged only $500 per day, a figure that is ludicrously and incredibly low?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why you should be embarassed about being able to charge $2K  per day for your services, if you can find someone who is willing to pay it. That is less than a junior to mid person at one of the big accounting firms. Top QCs make 5 times as much. Tim Flannery gets $50K for giving a talk on climatre change.  Bill Clinton gets hundreds of thousands per talk, as did Margaret Thatcher before bad health stopped her. </p>
<p>Of course, if you got the Queensland work through political connections rather than a transparent tender that might be considered problematic, but for the Queensland government, not you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VOC, Kevin &amp; Pterosaur

Your little stoush is looking increasingly pointless. I&#039;m closing this thread for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VOC, Kevin &#038; Pterosaur</p>
<p>Your little stoush is looking increasingly pointless. I&#8217;m closing this thread for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Pterosaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pterosaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm

while I make no pretense of having studied this matter, ( of KC&#039;s billing) there seems a certain amount of &quot;weasel wordiness&quot; at play :

KC 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The budget was about $50,000 and I received about $25,000 for airfares and related costs. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

KC again

&lt;blockquote&gt;the fact is that I only billed about $25,000 for the work I did.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, I may be obtuse, but

&lt;blockquote&gt;$25,000 for airfares....&lt;/blockquote&gt;

plus

&lt;blockquote&gt;I only billed about $25,000 for the work &lt;/blockquote&gt;

looks awfully like $50,000 dollars &lt;strong&gt;IN TOTAL&lt;/strong&gt; to me ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm</p>
<p>while I make no pretense of having studied this matter, ( of KC&#8217;s billing) there seems a certain amount of &#8220;weasel wordiness&#8221; at play :</p>
<p>KC </p>
<blockquote><p>The budget was about $50,000 and I received about $25,000 for airfares and related costs. </p></blockquote>
<p>KC again</p>
<blockquote><p>the fact is that I only billed about $25,000 for the work I did.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, I may be obtuse, but</p>
<blockquote><p>$25,000 for airfares&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>plus</p>
<blockquote><p>I only billed about $25,000 for the work </p></blockquote>
<p>looks awfully like $50,000 dollars <strong>IN TOTAL</strong> to me ?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donnelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi VOC,

You originally argued that I made $50,000 related to one week&#039;s work reviewing the Queensland Education Department - the fact is that I only billed about $25,000 for the work I did.  While some argue that Western science is simply a socio-cultural construct, there are some truths - one of which is that $25,000 does not equal $50,000.  Can you add and subtract?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi VOC,</p>
<p>You originally argued that I made $50,000 related to one week&#8217;s work reviewing the Queensland Education Department &#8211; the fact is that I only billed about $25,000 for the work I did.  While some argue that Western science is simply a socio-cultural construct, there are some truths &#8211; one of which is that $25,000 does not equal $50,000.  Can you add and subtract?</p>
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		<title>By: VOC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Donnelly nice to see that you acknowledge the truth of my assertions.  Your belatedly admittance is somewhat at odds to your original claim:

&lt;blockquote&gt;$50,000 for a week’s work - I’d like to see that! Back then, I never charged anything more than about $500 a day. Let’s say $500 by 5 days = $2,500.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your airfares and &#039;related expenses&#039; are interesting to say the least.  But I suppose that &#039;truth&#039; is all relative.  It seems to me that you are a post-modernist when it&#039;s convenient.  Sort of &#039;dumbing down&#039; I suppose.

Just thought I would make the &#039;truth&#039; part of the historical record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Donnelly nice to see that you acknowledge the truth of my assertions.  Your belatedly admittance is somewhat at odds to your original claim:</p>
<blockquote><p>$50,000 for a week’s work &#8211; I’d like to see that! Back then, I never charged anything more than about $500 a day. Let’s say $500 by 5 days = $2,500.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your airfares and &#8216;related expenses&#8217; are interesting to say the least.  But I suppose that &#8216;truth&#8217; is all relative.  It seems to me that you are a post-modernist when it&#8217;s convenient.  Sort of &#8216;dumbing down&#8217; I suppose.</p>
<p>Just thought I would make the &#8216;truth&#8217; part of the historical record.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donnelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Voc,

For what it is worth.  The job for the education department involved two companies, my own, and another called the Collins Hill Group.  The budget was about $50,000 and I received about $25,000 for airfares and related costs.  I worked for about 10 days on the project and never, never received more than $25,000.  Put in an FOI if you don&#039;t believe me.  The &#039;great&#039; thing about blogs is that comments like yours go on record without any proof or evidence (irony).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Voc,</p>
<p>For what it is worth.  The job for the education department involved two companies, my own, and another called the Collins Hill Group.  The budget was about $50,000 and I received about $25,000 for airfares and related costs.  I worked for about 10 days on the project and never, never received more than $25,000.  Put in an FOI if you don&#8217;t believe me.  The &#8216;great&#8217; thing about blogs is that comments like yours go on record without any proof or evidence (irony).</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 03:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two words comrades - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Little-Red-Writing-Book/dp/1582973369&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Little Red Book&lt;/a&gt;!

j-p-z 
Double cream and a light dusting of heroin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two words comrades &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Little-Red-Writing-Book/dp/1582973369" rel="nofollow">The Little Red Book</a>!</p>
<p>j-p-z<br />
Double cream and a light dusting of heroin?</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 03:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Och, the diabolical MLA, the ten-headed Beast of Revelations itself! :-)

meantime, though, far graver sins have lately issued from me own sloppy pen...

&quot;Dorothy Parker... Strunk and White...&quot; followed in a later remark by &quot;Wunk and Strite...&quot;

Can you imagine?!  I gave myself the rarely-seen opportunity to make the pun Poorothy Darker, and I missed it on the first pass.  There are writers who can actually be sued for failure of due diligence over such a misstep.

Oh well.  I plead the goodness of the french toast.  (I have an evil secret in my recipe, but I&#039;m afraid if I revealed it, anthony would come up with something a million times better in 12 seconds and make me look like an utter doofus.)

meanwhile, silly and gratuitous excerpt from what&#039;s sitting on the desk here beside the computer, that I found while flipping around, waiting for this page to load...

PAINE&#039;S REPUTATION:  The world cracks open.  Wake up!
PAINE:  Oh, Christ, let me be.  I want to sleep.
ALL:  He wants a mistress.
REPUTATION:  The Revolution is your mistress.

-- Paul Foster, &quot;Tom Paine, a Play in Two Parts&quot;  

Huh.  Hunter&#039;s luck...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Och, the diabolical MLA, the ten-headed Beast of Revelations itself! <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>meantime, though, far graver sins have lately issued from me own sloppy pen&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Dorothy Parker&#8230; Strunk and White&#8230;&#8221; followed in a later remark by &#8220;Wunk and Strite&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you imagine?!  I gave myself the rarely-seen opportunity to make the pun Poorothy Darker, and I missed it on the first pass.  There are writers who can actually be sued for failure of due diligence over such a misstep.</p>
<p>Oh well.  I plead the goodness of the french toast.  (I have an evil secret in my recipe, but I&#8217;m afraid if I revealed it, anthony would come up with something a million times better in 12 seconds and make me look like an utter doofus.)</p>
<p>meanwhile, silly and gratuitous excerpt from what&#8217;s sitting on the desk here beside the computer, that I found while flipping around, waiting for this page to load&#8230;</p>
<p>PAINE&#8217;S REPUTATION:  The world cracks open.  Wake up!<br />
PAINE:  Oh, Christ, let me be.  I want to sleep.<br />
ALL:  He wants a mistress.<br />
REPUTATION:  The Revolution is your mistress.</p>
<p>&#8211; Paul Foster, &#8220;Tom Paine, a Play in Two Parts&#8221;  </p>
<p>Huh.  Hunter&#8217;s luck&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 03:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course. I should have known. Besides, that Sideshow Bob gravatar follows Fyodor around everywhere.

I&#039;m an MLA Handbook girl myself. Old habits die hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course. I should have known. Besides, that Sideshow Bob gravatar follows Fyodor around everywhere.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an MLA Handbook girl myself. Old habits die hard.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 02:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I reckon I should be flattered to be mistaken for the redoubtable Herr Fyodor.

And whoops, got the Chicago manual all dyslexically confused.  F U NC DR HTS, U YM B SDXLC.  Oh well.  Wunk and Strite do indeed have much to answer for. 

-- j_p_z, giving Edward the Confessor a run for his money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I reckon I should be flattered to be mistaken for the redoubtable Herr Fyodor.</p>
<p>And whoops, got the Chicago manual all dyslexically confused.  F U NC DR HTS, U YM B SDXLC.  Oh well.  Wunk and Strite do indeed have much to answer for. </p>
<p>&#8211; j_p_z, giving Edward the Confessor a run for his money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mise-en-abyme</title>
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		<dc:creator>mise-en-abyme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not Fyodor, unless he&#039;s in a different timezone (&#039;late brunch&#039; at 9.37am?) which is possible of course.


Fyds would also know that the name of that hallowed publication is actually The Chicago Manual of Style.

Strunk and White have a lot to answer for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not Fyodor, unless he&#8217;s in a different timezone (&#8216;late brunch&#8217; at 9.37am?) which is possible of course.</p>
<p>Fyds would also know that the name of that hallowed publication is actually The Chicago Manual of Style.</p>
<p>Strunk and White have a lot to answer for.</p>
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		<title>By: Cognitive Dissonance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cognitive Dissonance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that you, Fyodor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that you, Fyodor?</p>
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		<title>By: The Chicago Style Manual</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Chicago Style Manual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we&#039;re all being pedantic, and Lawd how it&#039;s fun...

Dr. Cat: &quot;Good thing I said ‘from memory’, n’est-ce pas?&quot;

While this is technically perfectly acceptable, from a style point of view it&#039;s simply not the best choice.  In the sentence, &quot;It is&quot; is understood (viz., &quot;[It&#039;s a] Good thing I said...&quot;), but in the parallel contruction at the end, &quot;n&#039;est-ce pas&quot;, (literally, &quot;is it not?&quot;) &quot;it&#039;s&quot; is technically literally present, rather than understood.  This creates a cognitive dissonance in the reader&#039;s mind; the parallel is not a proper mirror image, and therefore just a trifle ill-turned.  Importantly, it&#039;s not literally &quot;wrong&quot;; but, as when playing the Sicilian Defence, there are choices, and then there are just better choices.  The sentence created a momentary blip of confusion in the reader&#039;s mind, and so failed one of many tests, both as a sentence and as a wry twist.  The proof is simply that the expected laugh did not materialize at the stop, as the reader would have wanted; the sitting judge in these cases is Dorothy Parker rather than Strunk and White.  Writers can sometimes forget the simple truism that sometimes the best way to correct an error is not to fix it, but simply to do the whole thing a different way.

/ends pedantry, slurps remainder of mimosa, returns to a very late brunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we&#8217;re all being pedantic, and Lawd how it&#8217;s fun&#8230;</p>
<p>Dr. Cat: &#8220;Good thing I said ‘from memory’, n’est-ce pas?&#8221;</p>
<p>While this is technically perfectly acceptable, from a style point of view it&#8217;s simply not the best choice.  In the sentence, &#8220;It is&#8221; is understood (viz., &#8220;[It's a] Good thing I said&#8230;&#8221;), but in the parallel contruction at the end, &#8220;n&#8217;est-ce pas&#8221;, (literally, &#8220;is it not?&#8221;) &#8220;it&#8217;s&#8221; is technically literally present, rather than understood.  This creates a cognitive dissonance in the reader&#8217;s mind; the parallel is not a proper mirror image, and therefore just a trifle ill-turned.  Importantly, it&#8217;s not literally &#8220;wrong&#8221;; but, as when playing the Sicilian Defence, there are choices, and then there are just better choices.  The sentence created a momentary blip of confusion in the reader&#8217;s mind, and so failed one of many tests, both as a sentence and as a wry twist.  The proof is simply that the expected laugh did not materialize at the stop, as the reader would have wanted; the sitting judge in these cases is Dorothy Parker rather than Strunk and White.  Writers can sometimes forget the simple truism that sometimes the best way to correct an error is not to fix it, but simply to do the whole thing a different way.</p>
<p>/ends pedantry, slurps remainder of mimosa, returns to a very late brunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He usually pops up when he’s mentioned.&quot;

And then shoots through when he finds his interlocuters to be of rather a more robust and skeptical frame of mind than whom he normally engages with in the nicely watered and carefully mown op-ed pages and inner city dinner parties where he is generally wont to take his views for a stately canter. He certainly got his head shaved and his arse painted blue at Troppo.

Online, as in real life, he&#039;s an opportunist lurker without true bottom. Regardless of its colour.

Back on topic. You can&#039;t possibly send a teacher into a classroom without at least some basic training in survival skills specific to their profession. I know. In my time at school, I&#039;ve driven at least three substitute/student teachers screaming and gibbering out the door. On the other hand I will always treasure the memory of the primary school english teacher who chucked away the set text to introduce us all instead to TH White&#039;s &quot;The Once and Future King.&quot; I still have his copy. 

Or our secondary school physics teacher, a rather louche ex-RAF pilot and former Welsh A-grade rugby player, who had to be bailed out of jail one night by his students after getting drunk and disorderly on an overnight school excursion and then not only made a point of paying us all back in full but also made sure everyone involved got at least a passing grade no matter how boneheaded they were about the electromagnetic spectrum and thermodynamics. I learnt an awful lot from him which has stood me in good stead over the years and none of it had anything to do with physics beyond Newton&#039;s Third Law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He usually pops up when he’s mentioned.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then shoots through when he finds his interlocuters to be of rather a more robust and skeptical frame of mind than whom he normally engages with in the nicely watered and carefully mown op-ed pages and inner city dinner parties where he is generally wont to take his views for a stately canter. He certainly got his head shaved and his arse painted blue at Troppo.</p>
<p>Online, as in real life, he&#8217;s an opportunist lurker without true bottom. Regardless of its colour.</p>
<p>Back on topic. You can&#8217;t possibly send a teacher into a classroom without at least some basic training in survival skills specific to their profession. I know. In my time at school, I&#8217;ve driven at least three substitute/student teachers screaming and gibbering out the door. On the other hand I will always treasure the memory of the primary school english teacher who chucked away the set text to introduce us all instead to TH White&#8217;s &#8220;The Once and Future King.&#8221; I still have his copy. </p>
<p>Or our secondary school physics teacher, a rather louche ex-RAF pilot and former Welsh A-grade rugby player, who had to be bailed out of jail one night by his students after getting drunk and disorderly on an overnight school excursion and then not only made a point of paying us all back in full but also made sure everyone involved got at least a passing grade no matter how boneheaded they were about the electromagnetic spectrum and thermodynamics. I learnt an awful lot from him which has stood me in good stead over the years and none of it had anything to do with physics beyond Newton&#8217;s Third Law.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SL the pomos who have taken over the schools will forgive him as long as he can think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL the pomos who have taken over the schools will forgive him as long as he can think!</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SL -- there&#039;s a summary of his writing non-skills further up the thread, &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/08/teacher-bashing-as-easy-as-a-b-and-c/#comment-346157&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL &#8212; there&#8217;s a summary of his writing non-skills further up the thread, <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/08/teacher-bashing-as-easy-as-a-b-and-c/#comment-346157" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a bit disturbing, then. He can&#039;t write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a bit disturbing, then. He can&#8217;t write.</p>
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		<title>By: B. S. Fairman</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. S. Fairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a recent Science grad, I avoided teaching mainly because I don&#039;t like teenagers. I didn&#039;t even like them when I was one.  
Plus the Money would a big issue too. I was working as a Car Park Attendent for $33k for a little while after finishing Uni and the starting salary for a teacher is ~ $35k. The extra two grand was unlikely to attract me to the teaching profession even if I was somewhat underemployed at the time.   
I also like how Science is talked about as being the one entity as Biologist is going to able to teach Physics start off the bat (and vice versa).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a recent Science grad, I avoided teaching mainly because I don&#8217;t like teenagers. I didn&#8217;t even like them when I was one.<br />
Plus the Money would a big issue too. I was working as a Car Park Attendent for $33k for a little while after finishing Uni and the starting salary for a teacher is ~ $35k. The extra two grand was unlikely to attract me to the teaching profession even if I was somewhat underemployed at the time.<br />
I also like how Science is talked about as being the one entity as Biologist is going to able to teach Physics start off the bat (and vice versa).</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a science degree majoring in physics, so I&#039;d be much in demand as a teacher. And for me the qualifications are a deterrent. I work part time, and would be reluctant to give that up to study, so that means quite a long period of part-time study, quite possibly to find I&#039;d hate the job at the end of it.

When I hear about the four week program in the US part of me thinks, &quot;That sounds good, I could give it a try and if it doesn&#039;t work out I haven&#039;t lost much&quot;. Then another part thinks, &quot;Yeah right. I&#039;d really be willing to walk in and face 25 year nines with four whole weeks of training behind me.&quot;

I think it&#039;s pretty clear which is the smarter part. I&#039;m sure with no training requirements you could recruit more maths graduates. But I doubt you&#039;d want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a science degree majoring in physics, so I&#8217;d be much in demand as a teacher. And for me the qualifications are a deterrent. I work part time, and would be reluctant to give that up to study, so that means quite a long period of part-time study, quite possibly to find I&#8217;d hate the job at the end of it.</p>
<p>When I hear about the four week program in the US part of me thinks, &#8220;That sounds good, I could give it a try and if it doesn&#8217;t work out I haven&#8217;t lost much&#8221;. Then another part thinks, &#8220;Yeah right. I&#8217;d really be willing to walk in and face 25 year nines with four whole weeks of training behind me.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty clear which is the smarter part. I&#8217;m sure with no training requirements you could recruit more maths graduates. But I doubt you&#8217;d want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, like I said, SL, Dr Donnelly&#039;s been visiting the blogosphere for some years. Check out his guest post on Troppo a few years ago. He usually pops up when he&#039;s mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, like I said, SL, Dr Donnelly&#8217;s been visiting the blogosphere for some years. Check out his guest post on Troppo a few years ago. He usually pops up when he&#8217;s mentioned.</p>
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