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	<title>Comments on: The IPCC 4th Assessment Report: a planet in play</title>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280320</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than leave this on an entirely depressing note, people like James Hansen, Gore and Stern say that the worst can be avoided if we act now. There is a penalty for procrastination, however.

Stern says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;...what we do in the next 10 or 20 years can have a profound effect on the climate in the second half of this century and in the next.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Tackling climate change is a pro-growth strategy for the longer term, and it can be done in a way that does not cap the aspirations for growth of rich or poor countries. The earlier effective action is taken, the less costly it will be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I gather the aim of reducing carbon emissions by 60% by mid-century is to reduce emissions to a point where the earth system can absorb all emissions. Just two points.

First, advanced countries will have to do better than that to allow develoiping countries to grow.

Second, some damage may have been done to the earth system&#039;s absorptive capacity.

There I go again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than leave this on an entirely depressing note, people like James Hansen, Gore and Stern say that the worst can be avoided if we act now. There is a penalty for procrastination, however.</p>
<p>Stern says:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;what we do in the next 10 or 20 years can have a profound effect on the climate in the second half of this century and in the next.</p></blockquote>
<p>And:</p>
<blockquote><p>Tackling climate change is a pro-growth strategy for the longer term, and it can be done in a way that does not cap the aspirations for growth of rich or poor countries. The earlier effective action is taken, the less costly it will be.</p></blockquote>
<p>I gather the aim of reducing carbon emissions by 60% by mid-century is to reduce emissions to a point where the earth system can absorb all emissions. Just two points.</p>
<p>First, advanced countries will have to do better than that to allow develoiping countries to grow.</p>
<p>Second, some damage may have been done to the earth system&#8217;s absorptive capacity.</p>
<p>There I go again!</p>
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		<title>By: Greta</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280319</link>
		<dc:creator>Greta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, it was reported in UK Independent 9/2/07. This blog has story and links.

http://www.celsias.com/blog/2007/02/12/inuit-take-complaints-to-washington/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, it was reported in UK Independent 9/2/07. This blog has story and links.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.celsias.com/blog/2007/02/12/inuit-take-complaints-to-washington/" rel="nofollow">http://www.celsias.com/blog/2007/02/12/inuit-take-complaints-to-washington/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280318</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kim.

Greta I was vaguely aware of the issue you raise. Thanks for the detail.

Your last link doesn&#039;t work. I went to &quot;edit&quot; and found that http:// was repeated. fixed that, but it still doesn&#039;t work.

I found the Inuit Circumpolar Council site, but can&#039;t find the stuff you refer to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kim.</p>
<p>Greta I was vaguely aware of the issue you raise. Thanks for the detail.</p>
<p>Your last link doesn&#8217;t work. I went to &#8220;edit&#8221; and found that http:// was repeated. fixed that, but it still doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>I found the Inuit Circumpolar Council site, but can&#8217;t find the stuff you refer to.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280317</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post, Brian!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, Brian!</p>
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		<title>By: Greta</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280316</link>
		<dc:creator>Greta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human rights law nationally and internationally is a rather wan flower these days, but this in an interesting development.

The InterAmerican Commission on Human Rights (Organisation of American States) agreed last week to hear an unprecedented challenge to US policy on greenhouse gas emissions. A delegation representing Inuit peoples from the US, Canada, Russia and Greenland (some 167,000 people) will argue that global warming is destroying their way of life and that the US is responsible.

The case stems from a petition submitted in December 2005 by the Inuit Circumpolar Conference. It documented the existing, ongoing, and projected destruction of the Arctic environment and the culture and hunting-based economy of Inuit caused by global warming.

The impacts of climate change, caused by acts and omissions by the US, it is argued, violate the Inuit’s fundamental human rights protected by the American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man and other international instruments. These include their rights to the benefits of culture, to property, to the preservation of health, life, physical integrity, security, and a means of subsistence, and to residence, movement, and inviolability of the home.

The petition asked the Commission to:

“Make an onsite visit to investigate and confirm the harms suffered by the named individuals whose rights have been violated and other affected Inuit;

“Hold a hearing to investigate the claims raised in this Petition;

“Prepare a report setting forth all the facts and applicable law, declaring that the United States of America is internationally responsible for violations of rights affirmed in the American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man and in other instruments of international law, and recommending that the United States:

“Adopt mandatory measures to limit its emissions of greenhouse gases and cooperate in efforts of the community of nations - as expressed, for example, in activities relating to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change - to limit such emissions at the global level;

“Take into account the impacts of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions on the Arctic and affected Inuit in evaluating and before approving all major government actions;

“Establish and implement, in coordination with Petitioner and the affected Inuit, a plan to protect Inuit culture and resources, including, inter alia, the land, water, snow, ice, and plant and animal species used or occupied by the named individuals whose rights have been violated and other affected Inuit; and mitigate any harm to these resources caused by US greenhouse gas emissions;

“Establish and implement, in coordination with Petitioner and the affected Inuit communities, a plan to provide assistance necessary for Inuit to adapt to the impacts of climate change that cannot be avoided;

“Provide any other relief that the Commission considers appropriate and just. &quot;

The full text of the 163-page petition is available &lt;a href=&quot;http://inuitcircumpolar.com/files/uploads/icc-files/FINALPetitionICC.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

http://inuitcircumpolar.com/files/uploads/icc-files/FINALPetitionICC.pdf

An 8-page summary is available &lt;a href=&quot;http://inuitcircumpolar.com/files/uploads/icc-files/FINALPetitionSummary.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human rights law nationally and internationally is a rather wan flower these days, but this in an interesting development.</p>
<p>The InterAmerican Commission on Human Rights (Organisation of American States) agreed last week to hear an unprecedented challenge to US policy on greenhouse gas emissions. A delegation representing Inuit peoples from the US, Canada, Russia and Greenland (some 167,000 people) will argue that global warming is destroying their way of life and that the US is responsible.</p>
<p>The case stems from a petition submitted in December 2005 by the Inuit Circumpolar Conference. It documented the existing, ongoing, and projected destruction of the Arctic environment and the culture and hunting-based economy of Inuit caused by global warming.</p>
<p>The impacts of climate change, caused by acts and omissions by the US, it is argued, violate the Inuit’s fundamental human rights protected by the American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man and other international instruments. These include their rights to the benefits of culture, to property, to the preservation of health, life, physical integrity, security, and a means of subsistence, and to residence, movement, and inviolability of the home.</p>
<p>The petition asked the Commission to:</p>
<p>“Make an onsite visit to investigate and confirm the harms suffered by the named individuals whose rights have been violated and other affected Inuit;</p>
<p>“Hold a hearing to investigate the claims raised in this Petition;</p>
<p>“Prepare a report setting forth all the facts and applicable law, declaring that the United States of America is internationally responsible for violations of rights affirmed in the American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man and in other instruments of international law, and recommending that the United States:</p>
<p>“Adopt mandatory measures to limit its emissions of greenhouse gases and cooperate in efforts of the community of nations &#8211; as expressed, for example, in activities relating to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change &#8211; to limit such emissions at the global level;</p>
<p>“Take into account the impacts of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions on the Arctic and affected Inuit in evaluating and before approving all major government actions;</p>
<p>“Establish and implement, in coordination with Petitioner and the affected Inuit, a plan to protect Inuit culture and resources, including, inter alia, the land, water, snow, ice, and plant and animal species used or occupied by the named individuals whose rights have been violated and other affected Inuit; and mitigate any harm to these resources caused by US greenhouse gas emissions;</p>
<p>“Establish and implement, in coordination with Petitioner and the affected Inuit communities, a plan to provide assistance necessary for Inuit to adapt to the impacts of climate change that cannot be avoided;</p>
<p>“Provide any other relief that the Commission considers appropriate and just. &#8221;</p>
<p>The full text of the 163-page petition is available <a href="http://inuitcircumpolar.com/files/uploads/icc-files/FINALPetitionICC.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://inuitcircumpolar.com/files/uploads/icc-files/FINALPetitionICC.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://inuitcircumpolar.com/files/uploads/icc-files/FINALPetitionICC.pdf</a></p>
<p>An 8-page summary is available <a href="http://inuitcircumpolar.com/files/uploads/icc-files/FINALPetitionSummary.pdf" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280315</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another cause for pessimism is that Global Warming is the great-grandmother of all collective action/&quot;Tragedy of the Commons&quot; problems.  Each individual actor in the global commons (whether a country, a corporation, and industry workforce or an individual) is liable to ask - not unreasonably - why they should incur considerable costs to reduce their emissions when they only contribute a fraction of the problem and their contribution to the solution will be swamped by the actions of others or by systemic trends and effects &quot;in the pipeline&quot;.

On that bleak note it&#039;s back to the proofreading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another cause for pessimism is that Global Warming is the great-grandmother of all collective action/&#8221;Tragedy of the Commons&#8221; problems.  Each individual actor in the global commons (whether a country, a corporation, and industry workforce or an individual) is liable to ask &#8211; not unreasonably &#8211; why they should incur considerable costs to reduce their emissions when they only contribute a fraction of the problem and their contribution to the solution will be swamped by the actions of others or by systemic trends and effects &#8220;in the pipeline&#8221;.</p>
<p>On that bleak note it&#8217;s back to the proofreading.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280314</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, GregM, I&#039;ve fixed it. I think Branson is partly sincere, but air travel, although a minor cause of emissions in the scheme of things, but is dreadful in itself and is increasing fast as air fares drop. A single fare to London is something like the equivalent of driving a car for a year. Branson is concerned about those schemes being proposed where everyone has a personal carbon credit card. Then you&#039;d have to pay for x trees to be planted when you book your flight (and we all hope a bushfire doesn&#039;t burn them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, GregM, I&#8217;ve fixed it. I think Branson is partly sincere, but air travel, although a minor cause of emissions in the scheme of things, but is dreadful in itself and is increasing fast as air fares drop. A single fare to London is something like the equivalent of driving a car for a year. Branson is concerned about those schemes being proposed where everyone has a personal carbon credit card. Then you&#8217;d have to pay for x trees to be planted when you book your flight (and we all hope a bushfire doesn&#8217;t burn them).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280313</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Mark, I&#039;d agree with that. But there are a few problems.

This GW/CC stuff works on large timelines. It will take hundreds if not thousands of years to turn the ship around. We are very unlikely to take drastic enough action to avoid dangerous effects and tipping points which carry the warming further no matter what we do.

Then there are all the problems about whether what we so is just tokenistic or window dressing. wbb said that only California and Sweden, I think, are truly taking an approach that might measure up. Or something along those lines.

Then who is going to meaningfully put the brakes on China and India who are way out of control?

I&#039;m just listening to Flannery on &lt;i&gt;Breakfast&lt;/i&gt; about what we need to do and what he&#039;s going to tell the AWU.

The pity is that we almost certainly have the knowledge, but creating the will tends not to happen until people see things going pear-shaped around them and then it&#039;s too late because of the timelines. This is worse in Asia. They put up with astonishing pollution of the air (leaving aside rivers and groundwater). But ironically if they clean it up (the aerosol issue), global warming becomes significantly worse.

Yeah, sleeping didn&#039;t cure it. I&#039;m still pessimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Mark, I&#8217;d agree with that. But there are a few problems.</p>
<p>This GW/CC stuff works on large timelines. It will take hundreds if not thousands of years to turn the ship around. We are very unlikely to take drastic enough action to avoid dangerous effects and tipping points which carry the warming further no matter what we do.</p>
<p>Then there are all the problems about whether what we so is just tokenistic or window dressing. wbb said that only California and Sweden, I think, are truly taking an approach that might measure up. Or something along those lines.</p>
<p>Then who is going to meaningfully put the brakes on China and India who are way out of control?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just listening to Flannery on <i>Breakfast</i> about what we need to do and what he&#8217;s going to tell the AWU.</p>
<p>The pity is that we almost certainly have the knowledge, but creating the will tends not to happen until people see things going pear-shaped around them and then it&#8217;s too late because of the timelines. This is worse in Asia. They put up with astonishing pollution of the air (leaving aside rivers and groundwater). But ironically if they clean it up (the aerosol issue), global warming becomes significantly worse.</p>
<p>Yeah, sleeping didn&#8217;t cure it. I&#8217;m still pessimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280312</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Brian, maybe I&#039;m being too optimistic or jejeune, but I think that you&#039;re doing your bit by deconstructing the science for those of us who aren&#039;t across it or don&#039;t have the time or scientific bent. I really wouldn&#039;t understand the power of citizen activism on this. Gore thought that pollies wouldn&#039;t act til the people demanded they get serious. I think that time has arrived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Brian, maybe I&#8217;m being too optimistic or jejeune, but I think that you&#8217;re doing your bit by deconstructing the science for those of us who aren&#8217;t across it or don&#8217;t have the time or scientific bent. I really wouldn&#8217;t understand the power of citizen activism on this. Gore thought that pollies wouldn&#8217;t act til the people demanded they get serious. I think that time has arrived.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/13/the-ipcc-4th-assessment-report-a-planet-in-play/#comment-280311</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merthyr Bowls Club has never been the same since all the aspirational yuppies started hanging out there once they found out Branson visited when he was in Brisbane! &#039;Twas much better when it was just the old blokes and assorted New Farm natives.

Maybe I&#039;m being too cynical, but I can&#039;t take Branson too seriously on these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merthyr Bowls Club has never been the same since all the aspirational yuppies started hanging out there once they found out Branson visited when he was in Brisbane! &#8216;Twas much better when it was just the old blokes and assorted New Farm natives.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m being too cynical, but I can&#8217;t take Branson too seriously on these issues.</p>
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