Any parent who exposes their children to an envirnoment like that should be reported to DOCS.

So you would still run over these kiddies in your CO2-chugging SUV? Or would you run over their parents too, and save yourself the trouble of reporting them to DOCS?

Would you stay at the scene of the accident?

What would be a suitable number of kiddies to run over?

Katz: now that you have proven beyond doubt that you can and will nit pick about gnats on a flea in order to divert attention or to just hide from the substantive issues, would you mind addressing the elephant that is rampaging around in your bankrupt Iraqi garden.

C’mon Katz this isn’t good enough. Stop acting like a running dog lackey of the paper tigers of islamofascist warmongering and answer this hopeless mangle of botched metaphor.

What if there were children among the protestors. Would they be part of your murder spree too?

Any parent who exposes their children to an envirnoment like that should be reported to DOCS.

Why ought the west not help the Iraqi masses?

I think the “Iraqi masses” been thru enough helping lately. Cut them a break.

Until you make an effort to comprehend my position on Iraq, I’m not inclined to address your quaint caricature of it.

Is this thread not dopey beyond parody when people are belly-aching about protecting one of the highest profile targets in the world against car-bombers etc?

What is to be done about the people who are blowing up university students in Iraq?

Why ought the west not help the Iraqi masses?

Why is it not racist to ignore the government of the Iraqi people when they ask for help?

Ought not progressives demand that Australia do more to overcome the enemy and therefore welcome the (pathetic) extra 70 trainers as at least in the right direction? Isn’t Rudd even further to the right than Howard over Iraq and showing it by dumping on ‘ferals’ who share his right-wing views on running away from helping the Iraqi people?

This war is as noble as WW2 and the handful of demonstrators who turned up to shout at Cheney and call him a war criminal because he launched an illegal liberation against a lawful tyranny are outright pseudo-leftists and reactionary to their core.

Revolutions make laws, laws do not make revolutions. But Rudd shares the former analysis. He cannot see that the Iraqi elections have changed the whole deal. The Iraqi people require help. They get plenty of ‘help’ from Al Qaeda sorts from Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, and Egypt etc so why not some progressive help from the west?

You recall the advice that I said I would give to GWB, Cheney and the rest involved in the 100% required war cabinet. (and note the next comment by Mark). Nobody here has seriously attempted to argue against it. Have a think about the issues from that point of view.

After the Pearl Harbor attack proved the popular isolationist policies incorrect the America first movement people stopped and did an about face. You are just as bankrupt. You are reduced to hiding from the issues. Give it up, put the past behind you and support the war effort that is from any progressive standpoint 100% required. These forces must be stopped this war must be won. The new war is now the issue.

I’m happy that I can point out the non-factual nature of what Patrickm wrote.

If my dog were close handy, I’d be patting her on the head.