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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/10/saturday-salon-92/#comment-196825</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be some Paulian moment in the 4th year - I&#039;ve been here 3 years and it still leaves me cold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be some Paulian moment in the 4th year &#8211; I&#8217;ve been here 3 years and it still leaves me cold.</p>
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		<title>By: "King" David Jackmanson in the sound-proof booth</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/10/saturday-salon-92/#comment-196824</link>
		<dc:creator>"King" David Jackmanson in the sound-proof booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brisbaneishome.com/liveblogging-the-brisbane-broncos-vs-north-queensland-cowboys-opening-game-of-the-national-rugby-league-season/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;liveblogging the Broncos/Cowboys game&lt;/a&gt;, with a special focus on explaining what the hell is going on to recent immigrants to League states who don&#039;t understand the game - that&#039;s where I found myself 4 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m <a href="http://www.brisbaneishome.com/liveblogging-the-brisbane-broncos-vs-north-queensland-cowboys-opening-game-of-the-national-rugby-league-season/" rel="nofollow">liveblogging the Broncos/Cowboys game</a>, with a special focus on explaining what the hell is going on to recent immigrants to League states who don&#8217;t understand the game &#8211; that&#8217;s where I found myself 4 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/10/saturday-salon-92/#comment-196823</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, of course the Iron Chef is unequalled, because it has no competition in its genre!

But Simon &amp; Maggie so obviously enjoy their food and each others company - there&#039;s such a love of life, genuine interest in what they are each doing, gentle ribbing about each other&#039;s foibles and styles.

In some ways, it&#039;s the antithesis of the ugly Australian mentioned above - it&#039;s what being an Aussie should be.

Plus, Maggie makes the only commercial pate in Australia that&#039;s actually edible, so I&#039;m already in love with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, of course the Iron Chef is unequalled, because it has no competition in its genre!</p>
<p>But Simon &amp; Maggie so obviously enjoy their food and each others company &#8211; there&#8217;s such a love of life, genuine interest in what they are each doing, gentle ribbing about each other&#8217;s foibles and styles.</p>
<p>In some ways, it&#8217;s the antithesis of the ugly Australian mentioned above &#8211; it&#8217;s what being an Aussie should be.</p>
<p>Plus, Maggie makes the only commercial pate in Australia that&#8217;s actually edible, so I&#8217;m already in love with her.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/10/saturday-salon-92/#comment-196822</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Guy Rundle is European editor of the Australian magazine Arena.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s what&#039;s called having a holiday at the expense of the taxman. Was wondering where he&#039;d got to. Half his luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Guy Rundle is European editor of the Australian magazine Arena.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s what&#8217;s called having a holiday at the expense of the taxman. Was wondering where he&#8217;d got to. Half his luck.</p>
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		<title>By: polluted skies</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/10/saturday-salon-92/#comment-196821</link>
		<dc:creator>polluted skies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are Aussies really just white trash ?
There was a much remarked upon cover of Asiaweek magazine ( now defunct ) many years ago where the photo showed 3 young drinkers sitting in fold up chairs, thongs, shorts  and singlets under the headline - &quot;The white trash of Asia &quot;.
 Now the british TV journalists are passing similar comment and there is a rebuttal from Guy Rundle .

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2946/

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2965/

Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are Aussies really just white trash ?<br />
There was a much remarked upon cover of Asiaweek magazine ( now defunct ) many years ago where the photo showed 3 young drinkers sitting in fold up chairs, thongs, shorts  and singlets under the headline &#8211; &#8220;The white trash of Asia &#8220;.<br />
 Now the british TV journalists are passing similar comment and there is a rebuttal from Guy Rundle .</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2946/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2946/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2965/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2965/</a></p>
<p>Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/10/saturday-salon-92/#comment-196820</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw that this arvo for the first time - good stuff! Still, Iron Chef is the sentimental fave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw that this arvo for the first time &#8211; good stuff! Still, Iron Chef is the sentimental fave.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just love &quot;The Cook &amp; The Chef&quot; - it&#039;s by far the best cooking show on the teev currently, and is right up there overall.   The chemistry between the two of them is a delight to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love &#8220;The Cook &amp; The Chef&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s by far the best cooking show on the teev currently, and is right up there overall.   The chemistry between the two of them is a delight to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: emmjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petro is going after the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1872053.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;citizenship test &lt;/a&gt;and hopefully that nasty little man who spends too much time on my radio and television.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petro is going after the <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1872053.htm" rel="nofollow">citizenship test </a>and hopefully that nasty little man who spends too much time on my radio and television.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarquon</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/10/saturday-salon-92/#comment-196817</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarquon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you thought the undead corpse of Slobodan Milosevic was a scary idea, that&#039;s nothing compared to the horror that is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/03/oh_my_gog_gospel_mimes.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gospel Mime&lt;/a&gt;!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you thought the undead corpse of Slobodan Milosevic was a scary idea, that&#8217;s nothing compared to the horror that is the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/03/oh_my_gog_gospel_mimes.php" rel="nofollow">Gospel Mime</a>!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: BearCave</title>
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		<dc:creator>BearCave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim  on 11 March 2007 at 4:04 pm wrote:

&quot;Bear Cave, I think you’ve missed the point. We’re quite happy to be partisan as individuals, but the blog (because it contains people from varying political persuasions) is non-partisan left.&quot;

Kim, I approve of LP&#039;s primary purpose, but dispute the assumptions made about partisan opinion.

Some of us need to identify as partisan (namely, laborite) not to be cheer leaders, but to produce ideas I believe may sometimes resonate more effectively than a non-partisan position can, depending on the circumstance.

It should also not be assumed that having a partisan position lends support to the one party on every issue.  Just as you can be non-partisan left, you can also be non-left laborite.

Only by understanding the person in question, and the context of the debate, will you understand any semantic difference of position.

Kim also wrote:

&quot;We also don’t want to give up on analysis and criticism to form a cheer squad for Rudd, or Brown, or whoever.&quot;

That&#039;s good, but nobody automatically gives up analysis and criticism just because their view happens to coincide with a partisan view.  In particular, I agree with Michelle Grattan&#039;s comment in The Age today that:

&quot;Rudd will need lots of gritty policy out to survive the realism test&quot;.

Beyond the current Mud-against-Rudd campaign, I want to see a Kevin Rudd unashamed of the intellect required to simplify complex ideas and relationships - especially Labor&#039;s positions on Industrial Relations and the U.S. Alliance - positions that shouldn&#039;t necessarily be as far left-wing as some would like.

Despite the Howard Government dogma, Kevin Rudd can in fact &quot;walk both sides of street&#039;&#039; without the result being a &quot;simplistic solution&quot;.

It&#039;s also just as likely that some non-partisan views can be quite dogmatic - you get this effect very often at socialist meetings, especially when socialists see their role as revolutionary, while regarding democracy as a high risk to their values and perspectives.

...From Justin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim  on 11 March 2007 at 4:04 pm wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Bear Cave, I think you’ve missed the point. We’re quite happy to be partisan as individuals, but the blog (because it contains people from varying political persuasions) is non-partisan left.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kim, I approve of LP&#8217;s primary purpose, but dispute the assumptions made about partisan opinion.</p>
<p>Some of us need to identify as partisan (namely, laborite) not to be cheer leaders, but to produce ideas I believe may sometimes resonate more effectively than a non-partisan position can, depending on the circumstance.</p>
<p>It should also not be assumed that having a partisan position lends support to the one party on every issue.  Just as you can be non-partisan left, you can also be non-left laborite.</p>
<p>Only by understanding the person in question, and the context of the debate, will you understand any semantic difference of position.</p>
<p>Kim also wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;We also don’t want to give up on analysis and criticism to form a cheer squad for Rudd, or Brown, or whoever.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s good, but nobody automatically gives up analysis and criticism just because their view happens to coincide with a partisan view.  In particular, I agree with Michelle Grattan&#8217;s comment in The Age today that:</p>
<p>&#8220;Rudd will need lots of gritty policy out to survive the realism test&#8221;.</p>
<p>Beyond the current Mud-against-Rudd campaign, I want to see a Kevin Rudd unashamed of the intellect required to simplify complex ideas and relationships &#8211; especially Labor&#8217;s positions on Industrial Relations and the U.S. Alliance &#8211; positions that shouldn&#8217;t necessarily be as far left-wing as some would like.</p>
<p>Despite the Howard Government dogma, Kevin Rudd can in fact &#8220;walk both sides of street&#8221; without the result being a &#8220;simplistic solution&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also just as likely that some non-partisan views can be quite dogmatic &#8211; you get this effect very often at socialist meetings, especially when socialists see their role as revolutionary, while regarding democracy as a high risk to their values and perspectives.</p>
<p>&#8230;From Justin</p>
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