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23 responses to “Unsafe safe seats in Queensland”

  1. The Piping Shrike

    On what basis is everyone dismissing the 61% ALP vote other than its never happened electorally before? Is there some secret polling no-one is telling us about?

  2. steve

    The news just keeps getting worse for the Qld Libs. Check out page 878 of today’s hansard for an explanation of how a state Liberal Party decision was bypassed and money paid into a Federal account to pay for something which was really a state matter.

    Club Troppo wrongly claimed today that this fiasco involving Santo Santoro was a part of printgate but this nifty piece of work actually revolves around the previous election and the emergence of Flegg into the parliament via a Supreme Court action.

    With the major factions of the Qld Libs talking to Beattie rather than each other and Santo Santoro doing a Denver Beanland and holding on despite the odds an electoral bloodbath in Queenslaand is very likely.

    For those not familiar with the Denver Beanland story,he decided to tough it out rather than accept a no confidence motion which state Parliament successfully moved against him and the voters turned his blue ribbon Liberal seat into a Labor gain at every subsequent election and it is still Labor to this day.

    Howard has made a huge mistake today which will cost him on election day. Queenslanders just will not wear this sort of tactic and have a history of gleefully removing parties from office who put self interest ahead of the public good.

  3. Alex on the Bus

    Damn, even after a tsunami like the one being pondered we’d still have to put up with the ultimate proof that the ALSF is a terrorist organisation: Sophie bloody Mirabella!

  4. steve

    The corollary of course is that Labor should whisper for the removal of Santo Santoro from the front bench as it would unravel their major Queensland votewinner.

  5. jo

    hey steve
    thanks the info the other day – the next day wandering thru randwick, i shook hands with Jonathon Flegg – the son of….who’s standing for Coogee in the NSW election. I mentioned that his old man might be coming into some grief re: printgate….. and he was just rapped I knew who his old man was……..

    (as steve knows) i commented about the 3 Amigos the other day http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/03/ian-campbell-resigns-wtf/#comment-352151
    and mentioned the email i sent to 20 coalition mp’s in the most marginal seats after they passed workchoices in 05 – saying “dont sign any leases in canberra longer than 2 years, and hoped they didnt sell the farm/biz etc”

    the only reply i got at the time, was from Peter Lindsay in Herbert – who wrote back saying

    Have you ever thought that you might be wrong? The Government has no intention of committing suicide.

    Because the Australian people gave the Government control of the Senate, The IR laws are here with us for at least 5 years.

    Australia will prosper.

    Peter

    He’s on 6.2% – with the 2nd highest % defence force employees in the country.

    whaddya reckon – too early to email him back and ask his opinion on euthanasia?

  6. Kim

    Has he forgotten that what the Australian people can give, they can take away too? Admittedly the Coalition has an advantage going into a half-Senate election, but it’s not insurmountable.

    And does he have Barnaby’s vote in his pocket?

  7. observa

    “..a prime illustration of the fact that local factors, and the pressure of unexpected events, can quickly move seats into play in an election year.”

    Beware the bastard son of Keating I say
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21379143-1702,00.html

  8. steve

    Beware the bastard son of Keating I say

    Obby, Frankly, it doesn’t matter what you say because this whole mudsling exercise has proved that corruption within the Liberal Party has triumphed over their ability to govern.

    Looks like you are just going to have to learn to live with the new style of government Obby. Funny how Joh was in Japan for his undoing and now Howard is in Japan when he comes unstuck. It’s called history repeating Obby.

    Rudd has come up stronger than ever and the coalition has been weakened and now are just a corrupt joke. All of Australia is pointing at Santoro and laughing at Howard,Costello,Downer,and Abbott for their lack of judgment as they did with the previous lack of judgment in sackinng Ian Campbell.

    Get in early Jo as they are notorious non answers of letters from the great unwashed,delay and they might not be there to answer you.

  9. David Jackmanson

    Piping Shrike, (are you a South Aussie?), I guess no-one wants to look like they are jumping on this particular bandwagon so quickly. Even if the ALP believed it 100%, they would of course play it down in the traditional pre-election “No, I’m the underdog” game.

    As to the rest, I don’t think the electorate has particularly high standards of politics, and won’t change their votes on corruption issues as such. The Howard Government was first caught with its hands in the till way way back in the travel rorts affair (first term, I think), and it was pretty clearly demonstrated in the children overboard affair that the PM, at best, has set up the procedures in his office so that embarrasing truths are never officially told to him. And the ‘Never Ever’ controversy over the GST didn’t stop the PM winning the election in which he took the GST to the country, and two more after that.

    Of course, if corruption issues reveal deep, unmanageable divisions within a party (to pluck an example completely at random, like the rat’s nest that is the Qld Libs), that will affect the vote. But I think that if this swing is really on, it’s based on 3 factors:

    1) Work Choices
    2) Work Choices
    3) Work Choices

    I think people have voted for Mr Howard 4 times* because he best reflects their aspirations and prejudices. But Work Choices can’t be ignored, even by the selfish.

    *Don’t bother arguing about 1998, the ALP lost on the TPP in 1990, it’s about the marginal seat campaigns

  10. David Jackmanson

    Comment mod-boxed or spaminated (I hope, either that or it has been eaten)

  11. Down and Out Of Sài Gòn

    Quick correction, Mark: the local member for Ryan is Michael Johnson, not Thompson.

  12. observa

    [Beware the bastard son of Keating I say]
    err that’s in square brackets steve.
    Hey, but you reckon a referundum on the Rev Nile’s call for a 10 yr moratorium on Muslim immigration wouldn’t be a shoo in. Like capital punishment it would.

  13. observa

    Now you don’t think Johnny would back the Rev’s call at election time do ya? Would Ruddy instantly pull the metoo line for the fans? Fascinating stuff for the political junkies.

  14. observa

    Now would Ruddy really consult Caucus first before committing Labor to such a metoo stance…? Whaddya reckon lefties?

  15. steve

    David, it took them twenty years to wake up to Joh and his corruption too but when they get sick of all the blithering about economic genius etc it doesn’t work any more and corruption issues feed into and overtake all other issues.

    Interesting that the editorial in the Courious snail points out that Santoro is an unelected minister and the money was given to a lobby group (minus the Panama Hat) and not a charity at all.

    Obby, put it all in a circle for all I care, it still means nothing to me.

  16. BeeF

    Don’t know how good your memory is Steve but Joh was never convicted of anything. A couple of ministers were convicted of rorting travel expenses (or similiar). If Joh’s government was corrupt then I’ll take corruption any day of the incompetence we have now.

  17. Tony

    On Santoro, I wonder if the lobby group he donated the 100% profit to has a tax deductible status. If it does he will will get the highest marginal rate (40%?) back on the 1st of July. A 40% return is not bad, and would still provide an incentive to hold shares, do the mea culpa, and collect the deduction on the quiet.

  18. observa

    Are we generally agreed that Rudd didn’t need to stand down over his meetings with Burke, neither did Cambell and neither does Santoro? However the Shadow Attorney General falling on his sword was a no-brainer and would be for either party. The others merely had to explain themselves in detail to the media(really us).

  19. Martin B

    Although the margins in Dickson and Petrie have increased in the last few elections, surely they are seats which must always be in play for the ALP.

  20. Lefty E

    Spare a (derisory) thought for Campbell: sacked for doing nothing, in the service of completely ineffectual, cheap stunt that backfired and sank without a trace about 10 minutes later.

    What a loser!

  21. David Jackmanson

    Don’t know how good your memory is Steve but Joh was never convicted of anything.

    Let’s see, eleven jurors wanted to convict, and the one who held out concealed his membership of Sir Joh’s political party.

    How’s the memory?

    David, it took them twenty years to wake up to Joh and his corruption too but when they get sick of all the blithering about economic genius etc it doesn’t work any more and corruption issues feed into and overtake all other issues.

    Not sure it will ‘take over’ in the same way…we haven’t seen anything at the level of the Premier’s handpicked mates and colleagues owning the Valley’s working girls…at least nothing that will convince people who were ever planning to vote for him. I reckon AWB helped the Government shore up its rural vote (Look how much we did for you wheat farmers! Whatever it takes!)

    However, if the printing/electorate allowance scandal (No, DON’T call it bloody Printg**e, thank you so very much indeed) was a matter of Libs dobbing in Libs, then all hell will be breaking loose, taking the Government’s eye off the ball.

    Interesting that the editorial in the Courious snail points out that Santoro is an unelected minister and the money was given to a lobby group (minus the Panama Hat) and not a charity at all.

    I’ve been wondering if anyone else was going to pick that up…it’s hardly like he gave it to the Red Cross.

  22. Tony

    Other Tony, I’m pretty sure the recipients of the donation aren’t tax-deductable. They aren’t a registered charity, and he was getting further caned last night because they are connected to Right To Life.

    I think Santoro should have gone – I mean, bloody hell, the rules are pretty clear, and he should be managing his finances a bit more carefully than that. He’s like Shane Warne and the diuretic. Howard hasn’t managed ministerial accountability well at all, not for a long time.

    Steve, I love that “Frankly” in your first comment – I’m taking it as an humourous nod to one of Kevin’s verbal tics.

  23. steve

    I’ve been wondering if anyone else was going to pick that up…it’s hardly like he gave it to the Red Cross.

    Not only did he not give the money to charity but..

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