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5 responses to “Benedict (Baruch) de Spinoza – Founder of Christian Liberalism?”

  1. philjohnson

    Dear Gummo

    I am wondering if you would mind clarifying what you mean in the title of your post about Spinoza as “founder of Christian liberalism”. In his work Ethics, Spinoza made it clear that he held to the philosophical position that is sometimes called “subtantival monism” — that there is only one substance that underlies all things, and seperate objects in the phenomenol universe are just transitory forms of this one substance. As a Dutch Jew Spinoza was hardly committed to Christian monotheism but then neither was he committed to orthodox Judaic belief about deity. As a substantival monist Spinoza’s views leaned heavily in the direction of pantheism (a position not espoused in Christianity).

    I understand the gist of your post about natural law/natural rights theory, a tradition that extends back to the Stoics, Cicero, the Justinian Code, and Thomas Aquinas, but I am not joining the dots from that to the notion that Spinoza either was a Christian liberal or was perhaps the fountainhead for later Christian liberalism.

  2. Gummo Trotsky

    Phil,

    The question in the title isn’t rhetorical – you could ask, quite legitimately, whether there’s such a thing as a specifically Christian tradition of political liberalism and secondly, if so, did Spinoza start it? Historical examination would probably turn up some rival contenders.

    Spinoza started out as a Jew, but the biography in the intro to my TTP alleges that he had a bit of a falling out with his Orthodox community and buggered off to Amsterdam (hence, apparently, his aversion to thought control). A conversion – of some sort – to Christianity – of some sort – followed.

    There’s a copy of the Ethics kicking around the house somewhere – I’ll have to dig it up. One thing I’ve noted (reading Hume actually) that there are often gaping holes of missing argument when philosophers move from discussions of what sort of thing a human being is to the topic of social organisation (taking in ethics along the way). Political language doesn’t accomodate the metaphysical concepts very well and vice versa.

    That said, it seems to me more useful to deal with Spinoza’s political ideas as political theory – bugger what he says about what a person is and should be, what has he to say on the subject of the political organisation of the state? His argument for the separation of the state and religion – in effect the secular state is best for both – has a lot of merit and, ahem, contemporary relevance.

  3. Cliff

    Spinoza was excommunicated from Judaism (or whatever the Jewish equivalent of excommunication is). He thereupon adopted the name Benedict. I probably wouldn’t go so far as to call him a Christian in his philosophy… “spinozism” was a euphemism for atheism well into the 19th Century. That and he spends most of TTP demolishing the authority of the scripture.

  4. professor rat

    I see too slightly too much being put on Spinoza lately – see that c*nt Negri for example – this is silly. Before Spinoza there was Ramon Llul and after Spinoza there was Tolstoy, Camus, Ghandi ,Tony Benn and a cast of thousands.
    One of the best readable works I’ve seen recently on the idea of reason as a guide to philosophy is ‘ The dream of reason’.( sear Amazon reviews)
    However as an andidote to the elevation of reason as the God of the state then I commend Max Stirner , PJ Proudhon and M.Bakunin to youse.

    True giants of sweet reason in politics.

  5. David Bath

    (1) To many people ignore Machiavelli’s “The Republic” which is very liberal, but a theoretical treatise, as opposed to a such up job of “How a despot can get and keep power, as a job application” (aka the Prince).

    (2) If you read Cicero’s works written in exile, particularly “On Duties”, “De Finibus” and “Tusculan Disputations” you find a *lot* on the duties and rights of citizens in a free society that fed straight into renaissance thought, including Spinoza. In “De Finibus” he was big on the duty that all owed to all sapient beings as a “commonwealth” (translated in the Loebs as “duty that all men owe to each other – but that’s an Edwardian worldview doing the translation). Rule of law in a society of equals with secular values of tolerance, compassion and freedom to do what you want unless you harm somebody else? Cicero covered the lot.

    It’s worth remembering that Cicero considered “the merchant who swindles a customer” is just as guilty of destroying the state as “the soldier who leaves his post in the middle of battle”.

    (3) For a good laugh, consider Aristotle’s “Politics”, where politics is described as the highest art, requiring the most brains and moral character, as it needs a synthesis of ethics, economics, psychology and rhetoric (amongst other things). Yeah, right. Aristotle the optimist!

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