Comments on: Mud Watch http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:40:12 +0000 hourly 1 By: observa http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-356077 observa Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:22:11 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-356077 They (the meeja with some able assistance from the political Parties) go through the whole family tree nowadays don't they? Peter Costello's bother Tim has been contrasted with him the same way Rudd's brother will be, particularly when it's obvious some of their political views and life directions are at variance. They (the meeja with some able assistance from the political Parties) go through the whole family tree nowadays don’t they? Peter Costello’s bother Tim has been contrasted with him the same way Rudd’s brother will be, particularly when it’s obvious some of their political views and life directions are at variance.

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355880 Frank Calabrese Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:52:28 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355880 Watch the Libs seize on this story..... http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21427993-5005361,00.html <blockquote>THE lobbyist brother of federal Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd says he has no doubt nuclear power has a future in Australia. Greg Rudd, managing director of Open Door Consulting, told an uranium industry conference in Adelaide today that nuclear technology would play a role in the "portfolio of solutions" to curb global warming. But when pressed further Mr Rudd refused to say what role that would be or if Australia should create a nuclear industry. </blockquote> Watch the Libs seize on this story…..

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21427993-5005361,00.html

THE lobbyist brother of federal Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd says he has no doubt nuclear power has a future in Australia.

Greg Rudd, managing director of Open Door Consulting, told an uranium industry conference in Adelaide today that nuclear technology would play a role in the “portfolio of solutions” to curb global warming.

But when pressed further Mr Rudd refused to say what role that would be or if Australia should create a nuclear industry.

]]> By: suz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355824 suz Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:57:05 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355824 I've added a piece to the original post above, about <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/shaun-carney/tender-memories/2007/03/16/1173722745360.html " rel="nofollow">this article </a>by Peter Costello biographer Shaun Carney which argues that the strategy is not to throw doubt on Rudd’s character in the minds of Australians so much as to throw Kevin Rudd’s mind into disarray. I’ve added a piece to the original post above, about this article by Peter Costello biographer Shaun Carney which argues that the strategy is not to throw doubt on Rudd’s character in the minds of Australians so much as to throw Kevin Rudd’s mind into disarray.

]]> By: DM http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355820 DM Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:40:49 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355820 Ooops, sorry, here's the <b><a href="http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5424533,00.jpg" rel="nofollow">[link]</a></b> Ooops, sorry, here’s the [link]

]]> By: DM http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355818 DM Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:39:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355818 Once again Bill Leak nails it: Perfect, just perfect. Once again Bill Leak nails it:

Perfect, just perfect.

]]> By: via collins http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355812 via collins Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:21:47 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355812 Obby old lad, that was a stab at humour. I treated your link to News Ltd with the same gravity i do all your links to New Ltd. Lighten up feller. The new dawn is upon us... Obby old lad, that was a stab at humour.

I treated your link to News Ltd with the same gravity i do all your links to New Ltd.

Lighten up feller. The new dawn is upon us…

]]> By: observa http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355736 observa Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:30:14 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355736 "Obby, a very coalition-esque response - post a link, deny responsibility for link while link in question remains plain for all to see." Jeez, considering it was on page 4 of virtually this State's newspaper, I didn't exactly think it was the world's best kept secret and might be of some interest to commenters here, as distinct from over at Tim Blair's perhaps? Anyway Frank's delvings show that it's now impossible to stop these sorts of sites, which now makes a total mockery of our election advertising laws and a damn good reason to scrap such pointless red tape and the public servants that service and pretend to police it. “Obby, a very coalition-esque response – post a link, deny responsibility for link while link in question remains plain for all to see.”
Jeez, considering it was on page 4 of virtually this State’s newspaper, I didn’t exactly think it was the world’s best kept secret and might be of some interest to commenters here, as distinct from over at Tim Blair’s perhaps? Anyway Frank’s delvings show that it’s now impossible to stop these sorts of sites, which now makes a total mockery of our election advertising laws and a damn good reason to scrap such pointless red tape and the public servants that service and pretend to police it.

]]> By: mick http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355648 mick Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:57:46 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355648 Geez, that is a grubby little site. I doubt that it will be remotely successful given its whole style. Geez, that is a grubby little site. I doubt that it will be remotely successful given its whole style.

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355643 Kim Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:46:26 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355643 It's probably meant to look amateurish so it looks like it was put up by a concerned citizen or something rather than the Liberal Party. It’s probably meant to look amateurish so it looks like it was put up by a concerned citizen or something rather than the Liberal Party.

]]> By: Alex on the Bus http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355642 Alex on the Bus Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:45:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355642 The RuddLies site reminds me of something similar that popped up against Steve Bracks in last year's Victorian election. As many of you may be aware, that little enterprise blew up in the face of the Libs when not only did they place a link to it on the Liberals Victoria site, but even gave the authorising address as their Exhibition Street bunker. My money is that someone has tried to steer around the various witch's hats of the Electoral Act to pull a similar stunt this time - except that they employed a far less competent author, and still manage to paint a giant political cross-hair on the damned thing! The RuddLies site reminds me of something similar that popped up against Steve Bracks in last year’s Victorian election. As many of you may be aware, that little enterprise blew up in the face of the Libs when not only did they place a link to it on the Liberals Victoria site, but even gave the authorising address as their Exhibition Street bunker.

My money is that someone has tried to steer around the various witch’s hats of the Electoral Act to pull a similar stunt this time – except that they employed a far less competent author, and still manage to paint a giant political cross-hair on the damned thing!

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355537 Frank Calabrese Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:34:34 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355537 Dolly's audio whinge here, thanks to Crikey :-) http://www.crikey.com.au/Media/audio/Downer-86ea4721-694a-4d8b-ab21-0316705c6000.mp3 Dolly’s audio whinge here, thanks to Crikey :-)

http://www.crikey.com.au/Media/audio/Downer-86ea4721-694a-4d8b-ab21-0316705c6000.mp3

]]> By: Mick Strummer http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355534 Mick Strummer Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:16:56 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355534 Let's face it, both Labor and the conservatives agree on far more than they disagree on. So when push comes to shove, both sides have to descend into mud-slinging and personal invective to able to distinguish themselves from the other side. OK, there might be subtle differences between how they go about it and what they actually do, but in the end, both major parties are playing the same game by the same rules. What is that old saying? No matter who you vote for, a politician still winds up being elected. Cheers... Let’s face it, both Labor and the conservatives agree on far more than they disagree on. So when push comes to shove, both sides have to descend into mud-slinging and personal invective to able to distinguish themselves from the other side. OK, there might be subtle differences between how they go about it and what they actually do, but in the end, both major parties are playing the same game by the same rules. What is that old saying? No matter who you vote for, a politician still winds up being elected.
Cheers…

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355524 Frank Calabrese Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:43:11 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355524 hmm, I'm still being moderated on this thread. hmm, I’m still being moderated on this thread.

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355522 Frank Calabrese Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:41:09 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355522 Here are the Hosting Guidelines for brinkster.com, who host the site. http://www.brinkster.com/Aboutus/DedicatedHostingGuidelines.aspx methinks a polite email to the company may be in order :-) Here are the Hosting Guidelines for brinkster.com, who host the site.

http://www.brinkster.com/Aboutus/DedicatedHostingGuidelines.aspx

methinks a polite email to the company may be in order :-)

]]> By: grace pettigrew http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355519 grace pettigrew Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:26:45 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355519 Frank, registering in the US suggests that the owners know they might be in breach of section 328 and are trying to avoid any prosecution in an Australian court (although I think the 2002 Gutnick defamation decision is against them). At the very least, it suggests close links to the US repugs - perhaps Howard's computer savvy son, who I assume is still working for Bush, is stepping up to the plate on behalf of his father. Frank, registering in the US suggests that the owners know they might be in breach of section 328 and are trying to avoid any prosecution in an Australian court (although I think the 2002 Gutnick defamation decision is against them).

At the very least, it suggests close links to the US repugs – perhaps Howard’s computer savvy son, who I assume is still working for Bush, is stepping up to the plate on behalf of his father.

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355492 Frank Calabrese Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:40:43 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355492

It is notable that Observa’s referred website contains this statement:

“This site is operated privately by an independent group who wish to remain anonymous. It is NOT authorised by, affiliated with, or funded by, the Liberal Party of Australia (or any other political party).�

How does this sit with section 328 of the Electoral Act, making anonymous electoral advertising illegal, I wonder?

A quick whois lookup of the domain revealed the following:

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=kevinruddlies&tld=com

Note that it is hosted in the US, and that the contact details of the registrant aren’t listed, only the hosting company.

Very Dodgy indeed.

]]> By: Michael http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355484 Michael Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:50:46 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355484 Despite his denials of wrong doing and his carefully worded responsibility avoidance rhetoric many observers would say that Downer has never been properly held accountable for his culpability and incompetence in the AWB Affair. But it is clear that continuous criticism from the ALP and the media over the last couple of years has been really telling at a personal level. The rosy cheeks, dishevelled looks and whiny tone are symptomatic of someone not dealing with his personal demons very well. Really, the pathetic comments on Thomson and Rudd are those of someone striking out against a perceived tormentor. The robust defence of Santoro and pleas to stop pursuing him over "legitimate" political issues is simply a substitute for Downer and his self pity. While you might cut Downer some personal slack for the recent loss of DFAT staff in the Garuda plane crash, it is time for Downer to pull himself together. However, if you can't stand the heat anymore Alexander, get out of the kitchen! Despite his denials of wrong doing and his carefully worded responsibility avoidance rhetoric many observers would say that Downer has never been properly held accountable for his culpability and incompetence in the AWB Affair. But it is clear that continuous criticism from the ALP and the media over the last couple of years has been really telling at a personal level. The rosy cheeks, dishevelled looks and whiny tone are symptomatic of someone not dealing with his personal demons very well.

Really, the pathetic comments on Thomson and Rudd are those of someone striking out against a perceived tormentor.

The robust defence of Santoro and pleas to stop pursuing him over “legitimate” political issues is simply a substitute for Downer and his self pity.

While you might cut Downer some personal slack for the recent loss of DFAT staff in the Garuda plane crash, it is time for Downer to pull himself together.

However, if you can’t stand the heat anymore Alexander, get out of the kitchen!

]]> By: Peter http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355479 Peter Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:32:42 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355479 Watch out. I think reports on Howard's demise are greatly exaggerated. Howard always likes to come from behind as the underdog. It is the most powerful position from a PR perspective, and consolidates wavering voters behind him. Look at his closing media line in 2004 "please don't kick us to make a protest, it will really hurt and could cost us government". Having said that, playing the underdog while the attack dogs are loose and snapping is incongruent, but what you get away with is all in the timing. Downer seems to be able to combine both roles and somehow get away with it. The goverment's current strategy seems to be go through rounds of attacks followed by grovelling. Which demographic are they seeking to influence? It aint over till its over. Watch out. I think reports on Howard’s demise are greatly exaggerated.

Howard always likes to come from behind as the underdog. It is the most powerful position from a PR perspective, and consolidates wavering voters behind him. Look at his closing media line in 2004 “please don’t kick us to make a protest, it will really hurt and could cost us government”.

Having said that, playing the underdog while the attack dogs are loose and snapping is incongruent, but what you get away with is all in the timing. Downer seems to be able to combine both roles and somehow get away with it.

The goverment’s current strategy seems to be go through rounds of attacks followed by grovelling. Which demographic are they seeking to influence?

It aint over till its over.

]]> By: via collins http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355476 via collins Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:27:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355476 Obby, a very coalition-esque response - post a link, deny responsibility for link while link in question remains plain for all to see. The only thing you can't do is "resign with a heavy heart" and accept tributes from your fellow commenters. It's not just the coalition who have the jitters. Obby, a very coalition-esque response – post a link, deny responsibility for link while link in question remains plain for all to see.

The only thing you can’t do is “resign with a heavy heart” and accept tributes from your fellow commenters.

It’s not just the coalition who have the jitters.

]]> By: Davey http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-355474 Davey Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:22:06 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/mud-watch/#comment-355474 The John Howard Lies website (www.howardlies.com) is no longer live - but has been archived by the NLA: http://pandora.nla.gov.au/tep/43234 The pics of Rudd on the site linked to by observa are nowhere near as funny as the one of Howard on this one ... The John Howard Lies website (www.howardlies.com) is no longer live – but has been archived by the NLA:

http://pandora.nla.gov.au/tep/43234

The pics of Rudd on the site linked to by observa are nowhere near as funny as the one of Howard on this one …

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