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		<title>By: The Dalai Mama</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/twirling-twirling-twirling-towards-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-355955</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dalai Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that I have not been able to figure out a &#039;sensible&#039; (he loves that word lately,doesn&#039;t he?)answer for, is why Howard is so dead keen on supporting an Islamic Theocracy  (which is what it will fast become once the infidels have finally been driven out)? Also why the general public are so accepting of his description of same as the flowering of Western-style democracy ?
   He keeps rabbiting on about how the citizens of Iraq have braved the bullets and bombs of the insurgents to vote 3 times !!! for this nascent &#039;democracy&#039;. What he doesn&#039;t point out is that , as with Saddam previously, 95% of them voted as they were told to by their local Imam/strongman.
  Really worth supporting, huh ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that I have not been able to figure out a &#8217;sensible&#8217; (he loves that word lately,doesn&#8217;t he?)answer for, is why Howard is so dead keen on supporting an Islamic Theocracy  (which is what it will fast become once the infidels have finally been driven out)? Also why the general public are so accepting of his description of same as the flowering of Western-style democracy ?<br />
   He keeps rabbiting on about how the citizens of Iraq have braved the bullets and bombs of the insurgents to vote 3 times !!! for this nascent &#8216;democracy&#8217;. What he doesn&#8217;t point out is that , as with Saddam previously, 95% of them voted as they were told to by their local Imam/strongman.<br />
  Really worth supporting, huh ?</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do nothing Howard is all hot air as the Man from the Democratic Party said,&#039; if the war in Iraq is so important to you send more troops&#039;. 20000 or so is supposed to make some sort of a difference I am lead to believe and if they were drawn from the ranks of Liberal and National supporters, they wouldn&#039;t even be missed. Otherwise just shut up and try to revert to mudslinging or whatever it is that you do best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do nothing Howard is all hot air as the Man from the Democratic Party said,&#8217; if the war in Iraq is so important to you send more troops&#8217;. 20000 or so is supposed to make some sort of a difference I am lead to believe and if they were drawn from the ranks of Liberal and National supporters, they wouldn&#8217;t even be missed. Otherwise just shut up and try to revert to mudslinging or whatever it is that you do best.</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, way to step out of the quantum world. I&#039;ve wondered if that test would work in the US. I haven&#039;t spent enough time there in the last few years to know. Oh, and I thought really hard about how to work that quote into my post but just couldn&#039;t get it in there. I&#039;m glad you brought it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, way to step out of the quantum world. I&#8217;ve wondered if that test would work in the US. I haven&#8217;t spent enough time there in the last few years to know. Oh, and I thought really hard about how to work that quote into my post but just couldn&#8217;t get it in there. I&#8217;m glad you brought it up!</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suz - maybe the rhetoric wasn&#039;t new but there were some great snappy new one-liners in there. Thankfully, touring around the news and blogs today no-one seems to have bought into his rhetoric too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suz &#8211; maybe the rhetoric wasn&#8217;t new but there were some great snappy new one-liners in there. Thankfully, touring around the news and blogs today no-one seems to have bought into his rhetoric too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought negotiating defence pacts with foreigners in secret was a no no. The public MUST be informed well beforehand so a proper debate might be had.
I remember someone or other carrying on about it 11 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought negotiating defence pacts with foreigners in secret was a no no. The public MUST be informed well beforehand so a proper debate might be had.<br />
I remember someone or other carrying on about it 11 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: marklatham</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/twirling-twirling-twirling-towards-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-355862</link>
		<dc:creator>marklatham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bummer that i missed howard&#039;s speech but i didn&#039;t miss much obviuosly.
The other day in iraq he was addressing the brave REMFs and he said that the iraquis deserved a &quot;kind of democracy&quot; or words to that effect.
Is that anything like a real democracy or is it similar to waht they had under sadaam?
After all people got to vote then as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bummer that i missed howard&#8217;s speech but i didn&#8217;t miss much obviuosly.<br />
The other day in iraq he was addressing the brave REMFs and he said that the iraquis deserved a &#8220;kind of democracy&#8221; or words to that effect.<br />
Is that anything like a real democracy or is it similar to waht they had under sadaam?<br />
After all people got to vote then as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Enemy Combatant</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/21/twirling-twirling-twirling-towards-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-355861</link>
		<dc:creator>Enemy Combatant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply ADORE the New Season&#039;s &quot;Quagmire Dior&quot;, don&#039;t you dahling?

Regardless of how the Rodent&#039;s cloth is woven, the threads are always manufactured in Washington D.C. Independent Foreign Policys count for naught alongside brand loyalty. 

Helen Clark told BushCo to take a hike on Iraq and now she&#039;s chowin&#039; down with The Imbecile at the White House. Funny old world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply ADORE the New Season&#8217;s &#8220;Quagmire Dior&#8221;, don&#8217;t you dahling?</p>
<p>Regardless of how the Rodent&#8217;s cloth is woven, the threads are always manufactured in Washington D.C. Independent Foreign Policys count for naught alongside brand loyalty. </p>
<p>Helen Clark told BushCo to take a hike on Iraq and now she&#8217;s chowin&#8217; down with The Imbecile at the White House. Funny old world.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy it didn&#039;t take long for someone to come up with the lie of the people smuggling from Indonesia did it.   Because it is a lie, the only people smuggling from Indonesia is by Australia.

Here is how it worked.  Australia had federal police tracking refugees as they landed in Indonesia and knew they could not stay in Indonesia.    They had been smuggled out of places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran because getting legal travel documents is not possible.

Once in Indonesia they hid until the agents managed to get them a boat.    In the 89 cases of this type I tracked through the senate and courts not one person has gone to jail for so-called people smuggling.

The fact of the matter is that refugees are allowed to travel anywhere without documents so long as they can reach a country that is signatory to the refugee convention.   By trying to force people to stay in Indonesia and even paying to set up a UNHCR office we are circumventing our law and international laws and treaties by demanding they shoulder our responsibilities for us.

Every refugee who came to Australia&#039;s mainland from Christmas Island was flown to Australia by the government without visas, under armed guard, not allowed to go to the toilet, no food, no water, and the federal police watched them load the boats and rang to Canberra to say they would be arriving.

In the case of SIEVX we know from survivors that they were told by the UNHCR office in Jakarta to come to Australia as the Indonesians will not and cannot assess claims.

Indonesia has forced over 1,000 people back to the warzones of Iraq and Afghanistan although some 230 people are still rotting in Indonesia, unable to work, to go to school, to leave the cheap motels or have any legal rights and we are paying for it.

In short, Indonesia have not stopped any people smuggling because it never existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy it didn&#8217;t take long for someone to come up with the lie of the people smuggling from Indonesia did it.   Because it is a lie, the only people smuggling from Indonesia is by Australia.</p>
<p>Here is how it worked.  Australia had federal police tracking refugees as they landed in Indonesia and knew they could not stay in Indonesia.    They had been smuggled out of places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran because getting legal travel documents is not possible.</p>
<p>Once in Indonesia they hid until the agents managed to get them a boat.    In the 89 cases of this type I tracked through the senate and courts not one person has gone to jail for so-called people smuggling.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that refugees are allowed to travel anywhere without documents so long as they can reach a country that is signatory to the refugee convention.   By trying to force people to stay in Indonesia and even paying to set up a UNHCR office we are circumventing our law and international laws and treaties by demanding they shoulder our responsibilities for us.</p>
<p>Every refugee who came to Australia&#8217;s mainland from Christmas Island was flown to Australia by the government without visas, under armed guard, not allowed to go to the toilet, no food, no water, and the federal police watched them load the boats and rang to Canberra to say they would be arriving.</p>
<p>In the case of SIEVX we know from survivors that they were told by the UNHCR office in Jakarta to come to Australia as the Indonesians will not and cannot assess claims.</p>
<p>Indonesia has forced over 1,000 people back to the warzones of Iraq and Afghanistan although some 230 people are still rotting in Indonesia, unable to work, to go to school, to leave the cheap motels or have any legal rights and we are paying for it.</p>
<p>In short, Indonesia have not stopped any people smuggling because it never existed.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The sooner we eject this douchebag from our Parliament, the better.&quot;

Don&#039;t blame me, I voted for Kodos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The sooner we eject this douchebag from our Parliament, the better.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame me, I voted for Kodos.</p>
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		<title>By: Theodric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theodric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I must have missed the new rhetoric. All I heard was the same old rhetoric, about â€śstaying the courseâ€?.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. It was merely a cut &#8216;n&#8217; paste job from all the other drivel he has been insulting us with from way before the start of the invasion. And what, in the end is it all about?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Our practical contribution and preparedness to stand with America in Iraq is of first order importance to its current strength and vitality&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>The sooner we eject this douchebag from our Parliament, the better.</p>
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		<title>By: suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;it has just been framed with a whole lot of new rhetoric&lt;/em&gt;

I must have missed the new rhetoric. All I heard was the same old rhetoric, about &quot;staying the course&quot;.

Oh, I guess staying &quot;as a matter of honour&quot; is a bit of a new twist. The Anzac approach to warfare - take part in a military disaster and depict it as an honourable event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>it has just been framed with a whole lot of new rhetoric</em></p>
<p>I must have missed the new rhetoric. All I heard was the same old rhetoric, about &#8220;staying the course&#8221;.</p>
<p>Oh, I guess staying &#8220;as a matter of honour&#8221; is a bit of a new twist. The Anzac approach to warfare &#8211; take part in a military disaster and depict it as an honourable event.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the Iraq Civil War is a test of our honour.

I&#039;m surprised he didn&#039;t mention the &quot;ANZAC spirit&quot; and our great military tradition of Standing Tall Against the Heathen Turk at Gallipoli.

No, wait. I seem to recall that we were forced to cut and run from that one too. Bummer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the Iraq Civil War is a test of our honour.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised he didn&#8217;t mention the &#8220;ANZAC spirit&#8221; and our great military tradition of Standing Tall Against the Heathen Turk at Gallipoli.</p>
<p>No, wait. I seem to recall that we were forced to cut and run from that one too. Bummer.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard&#039;s language is contrived to make a &lt;strong&gt;quagmire &lt;/strong&gt;appear to be a good place to be.

What is a quagmire? A place where one gets bogged. One can neither go forward nor go back.

Howard is opposed to sending more troops to Iraq.

Howard is opposed to removing troops from Iraq.

Howard is in favour of maintaining the current inadequate level of involvement.

Ergo, Howard is in favour of being stuck fast in a &lt;strong&gt;quagmire&lt;/strong&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;Killing questions for Howard:&lt;/em&gt;
How do you justify committing Australian arms to a defence of a regime committed Sharia Law?

Has the current level of commitment brought about an improvement or a deterioration in the situation in Iraq?

Do you want to perpetuate failure?

Why, then, do you refuse to change the level of commitment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard&#8217;s language is contrived to make a <strong>quagmire </strong>appear to be a good place to be.</p>
<p>What is a quagmire? A place where one gets bogged. One can neither go forward nor go back.</p>
<p>Howard is opposed to sending more troops to Iraq.</p>
<p>Howard is opposed to removing troops from Iraq.</p>
<p>Howard is in favour of maintaining the current inadequate level of involvement.</p>
<p>Ergo, Howard is in favour of being stuck fast in a <strong>quagmire</strong>.</p>
<p><em>Killing questions for Howard:</em><br />
How do you justify committing Australian arms to a defence of a regime committed Sharia Law?</p>
<p>Has the current level of commitment brought about an improvement or a deterioration in the situation in Iraq?</p>
<p>Do you want to perpetuate failure?</p>
<p>Why, then, do you refuse to change the level of commitment?</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I&#039;m not representative of the populace generally, but I&#039;m afraid Mick that I missed all the speeches etc because I was too busy giggling at Howard running off his smoke filled plane and looking like a scared, lost schoolboy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I&#8217;m not representative of the populace generally, but I&#8217;m afraid Mick that I missed all the speeches etc because I was too busy giggling at Howard running off his smoke filled plane and looking like a scared, lost schoolboy.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I might add keeping onside with the Indos to clamp down on people smugglers, which the ALP was always at pains to stress was pretty much the best answer to the boat arrivals, keeping onside that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I might add keeping onside with the Indos to clamp down on people smugglers, which the ALP was always at pains to stress was pretty much the best answer to the boat arrivals, keeping onside that is.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most telling point was the good war/bad war jibe at Labor. It will have some traction among the punters, many who now think basically we&#039;re wasting our time and dough in these &#039;monkey countries&#039;. The sad truth is they also have the evidence of ET and the Solomons to support that view. It&#039;s hard to believe in hindsight that Saddam was the best option for Iraqis, without also believing the Indos were the best option for the Timorese. For us too given the Timor Sea treaty we had with the Indos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most telling point was the good war/bad war jibe at Labor. It will have some traction among the punters, many who now think basically we&#8217;re wasting our time and dough in these &#8216;monkey countries&#8217;. The sad truth is they also have the evidence of ET and the Solomons to support that view. It&#8217;s hard to believe in hindsight that Saddam was the best option for Iraqis, without also believing the Indos were the best option for the Timorese. For us too given the Timor Sea treaty we had with the Indos.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveBacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveBacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;His language is designed to give Australians the sense that victory in Iraq requires nothing but grit and determination, that somehow the Iraqi civil war is simply a test of our nationâ€™s character&lt;/em&gt;

It reminds me of a litmus test one can use here in the US to pin down someone&#039;s political leanings quickly: ask them why they though the Vietnam War (err...&quot;American War in Vietnam&quot;) was lost.  If they give some line about the lack of support or grit or determination or such, then you can bet they&#039;re backing Bush.  

Oh and you left off the best part of that Simpson&#039;s episode, one of the best summaries of American political divisions ever aired:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Candidate Kang: Abortions for all!
Audience: BOO!
Kang: Okay... Abortions for none!
Audience: BOO!
Kang: Hmmnn... Abortions for some, tiny American flags for others!
Audience: YAAY!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>His language is designed to give Australians the sense that victory in Iraq requires nothing but grit and determination, that somehow the Iraqi civil war is simply a test of our nationâ€™s character</em></p>
<p>It reminds me of a litmus test one can use here in the US to pin down someone&#8217;s political leanings quickly: ask them why they though the Vietnam War (err&#8230;&#8221;American War in Vietnam&#8221;) was lost.  If they give some line about the lack of support or grit or determination or such, then you can bet they&#8217;re backing Bush.  </p>
<p>Oh and you left off the best part of that Simpson&#8217;s episode, one of the best summaries of American political divisions ever aired:</p>
<blockquote><p>Candidate Kang: Abortions for all!<br />
Audience: BOO!<br />
Kang: Okay&#8230; Abortions for none!<br />
Audience: BOO!<br />
Kang: Hmmnn&#8230; Abortions for some, tiny American flags for others!<br />
Audience: YAAY!!!
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The full text of Howard&#039;s speech can be found here. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/why-our-troops-must-stay/2007/03/21/1174153154387.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;

As I said above, there is nothing new here except a shift in the language. He discusses at length the role that Australian troops are playing in Iraq but without any sense of long-term purpose, other than to support the Iraqis. He paints a picture of success in the Australian operations in Iraq, and indeed it seems that the Australian soldiers have performed very well. Yet success can only reasonably be measured by the ongoing fate of the entire country, this ties Australia&#039;s fate to the fate of the American venture which currently seems to be unsuccessful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The full text of Howard&#8217;s speech can be found here. <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/why-our-troops-must-stay/2007/03/21/1174153154387.html" rel="nofollow">[link]</a></p>
<p>As I said above, there is nothing new here except a shift in the language. He discusses at length the role that Australian troops are playing in Iraq but without any sense of long-term purpose, other than to support the Iraqis. He paints a picture of success in the Australian operations in Iraq, and indeed it seems that the Australian soldiers have performed very well. Yet success can only reasonably be measured by the ongoing fate of the entire country, this ties Australia&#8217;s fate to the fate of the American venture which currently seems to be unsuccessful.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wbb: &quot;No, no Janette.&quot;

Well, jaysus to jaysus and eight hands around. Whenever somebody makes a joke about &quot;No, No, Nanette,&quot; whatever the circumstances, then I do think they deserve to be fully congratulated.

Onya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wbb: &#8220;No, no Janette.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, jaysus to jaysus and eight hands around. Whenever somebody makes a joke about &#8220;No, No, Nanette,&#8221; whatever the circumstances, then I do think they deserve to be fully congratulated.</p>
<p>Onya!</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The challenge for Rudd, and I guess anyone opposed to Australia&#039;s involvement in Iraq is to convince people that Howard is following a lame duck president. The media in Oz is struggling to pick up on this.

I notice that the old line that this debate is about the US alliance got trotted out as well. Anyone who followed Cheney&#039;s visit to Australia last month knows that this is a complete furphy. Cheney made it pretty clear that the alliace is much stronger than this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The challenge for Rudd, and I guess anyone opposed to Australia&#8217;s involvement in Iraq is to convince people that Howard is following a lame duck president. The media in Oz is struggling to pick up on this.</p>
<p>I notice that the old line that this debate is about the US alliance got trotted out as well. Anyone who followed Cheney&#8217;s visit to Australia last month knows that this is a complete furphy. Cheney made it pretty clear that the alliace is much stronger than this issue.</p>
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