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		<title>By: peter mc</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/28/policy-pr0n/#comment-200383</link>
		<dc:creator>peter mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see so many comments about art. Looking at them I think it kind of shows that making direct comparisons between art and sport are counterproductive to art. Why don&#039;t we, for example make comparisons between education funding and sport, or defence and sport, health and sport - why does art get to grouped and funded akin to sport? I guess the idea is that sport and art can be regarded as recreation - and here is why I think the comparison is a bad idea. It speaks of the kind of tabloid definition of art, as entertainment. It is so much more it keeps communities alive when all else has been destroyed. I was lucky to have the experience of recording some visiting musicians from East Timor after the evacuations after the referendum. The songs that they played where the songs that kept their people going for decades - it was really, really important. One of the most powerful pieces of music I know was written by the French composer Messiaen in a prisoner of war camp in WWII. The was an odd selection of instruments but what resulted was a piece &quot;Quartet for the End of Time&quot; that speaks to the experience of war and transcends it. This stuff is deep and of great importance - we in Australia with are not yet really alive as a culture. People here don&#039;t get it because its not been allowed to develop. We need a cultural life to be developed and nurtured over many generations before we can have art that tells us the things we need to know. This nurturing was happening in fits and starts but it pretty much was quashed when the LibNats started stacking the Australia Council Board and interfering with its operations to the extent that it is now the best definition of a right wing approach to art I know of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see so many comments about art. Looking at them I think it kind of shows that making direct comparisons between art and sport are counterproductive to art. Why don&#8217;t we, for example make comparisons between education funding and sport, or defence and sport, health and sport &#8211; why does art get to grouped and funded akin to sport? I guess the idea is that sport and art can be regarded as recreation &#8211; and here is why I think the comparison is a bad idea. It speaks of the kind of tabloid definition of art, as entertainment. It is so much more it keeps communities alive when all else has been destroyed. I was lucky to have the experience of recording some visiting musicians from East Timor after the evacuations after the referendum. The songs that they played where the songs that kept their people going for decades &#8211; it was really, really important. One of the most powerful pieces of music I know was written by the French composer Messiaen in a prisoner of war camp in WWII. The was an odd selection of instruments but what resulted was a piece &#8220;Quartet for the End of Time&#8221; that speaks to the experience of war and transcends it. This stuff is deep and of great importance &#8211; we in Australia with are not yet really alive as a culture. People here don&#8217;t get it because its not been allowed to develop. We need a cultural life to be developed and nurtured over many generations before we can have art that tells us the things we need to know. This nurturing was happening in fits and starts but it pretty much was quashed when the LibNats started stacking the Australia Council Board and interfering with its operations to the extent that it is now the best definition of a right wing approach to art I know of.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/28/policy-pr0n/#comment-200382</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if you wanna enjoy a genuinely good and very funny conflation of sport and art, check out Dan Jenkin&#039;s &quot;Semi-Tough&quot;. It&#039;s MASH meets Gridiron.

Why has no Australian writer since Williamson with &quot;The Club&quot;  attempted to do the same? At the very least, what with Warney texting his libido around and strangled coaches, there must be a great and darkly funny cricket novel out there. Not to mention all the tennis and swimming feral fathers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if you wanna enjoy a genuinely good and very funny conflation of sport and art, check out Dan Jenkin&#8217;s &#8220;Semi-Tough&#8221;. It&#8217;s MASH meets Gridiron.</p>
<p>Why has no Australian writer since Williamson with &#8220;The Club&#8221;  attempted to do the same? At the very least, what with Warney texting his libido around and strangled coaches, there must be a great and darkly funny cricket novel out there. Not to mention all the tennis and swimming feral fathers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/28/policy-pr0n/#comment-200381</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You forgot David Foster Wallace, who was a tennis prodigy.&quot;

Nah. Speaking as a former tennis prodigy who survived a forced march through &quot;Infinite Jest&quot;, I can say DFW is just as clumsy and flatfooted about fluently rolling lawn tennis references crosscourt on the run as Smarty Anus.

Otherwise generally an excellent writer, &#039;specially when he puts tennis and &#039;big&#039; novels to one side. &#039;Lyndon&#039; is one of the most crystalline yet hallucinatory pieces of prose I have ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You forgot David Foster Wallace, who was a tennis prodigy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nah. Speaking as a former tennis prodigy who survived a forced march through &#8220;Infinite Jest&#8221;, I can say DFW is just as clumsy and flatfooted about fluently rolling lawn tennis references crosscourt on the run as Smarty Anus.</p>
<p>Otherwise generally an excellent writer, &#8216;specially when he puts tennis and &#8216;big&#8217; novels to one side. &#8216;Lyndon&#8217; is one of the most crystalline yet hallucinatory pieces of prose I have ever read.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/28/policy-pr0n/#comment-200380</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â??Take the Skin-heads Bowlingâ?? would be the coolest Nat. Anthem. I vote for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â??Take the Skin-heads Bowlingâ?? would be the coolest Nat. Anthem. I vote for that.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/28/policy-pr0n/#comment-200379</link>
		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote for me, and I will re-name the federal government the Feral Government.  Politicians will be released into the wild, to fend for themselves in the great outdoors.  They&#039;ll return years later, wild-eyed, shaggy and lean, and with all sorts of parasites.  That&#039;ll learn &#039;em.

The national anthem will be changed to either &quot;Take the Skin-heads Bowling,&quot; or else the theme from &quot;Courageous Cat.&quot;  And the currency will be re-designed by George Herriman, Vaughn Bode and Ernie Bushmiller.

And I think everybody should be required to take a detailed, plainly-taught course in civics and basic law, so they have a clearer idea of the sorts of shenanigans governments get up to, and how they can better monitor and criticize them.  And they should have to take it at an age when they&#039;re genuinely equipped to understand what they&#039;ve been taught.

w/r/t this whole &quot;opera versus sport&quot; thing, why not just athleticize opera (or the performing arts in general)?  Brecht was on to something like this: it&#039;s part of human nature for people to be interested in judging outcomes against standardized criteria; that&#039;s what sport is all about.  I mean, just set up an arts system where there are sometimes more head-to-head competitive environments, like maybe having &quot;Australian Idol -- Classical Version,&quot; or regional state against state competitions amongst colleges and high schools, for the best production of Twelfth Night or the Henriad.  Make the rules for judging consistent, more like sport.

And I like Doctor Cat&#039;s idea of making artists play sports and making athletes do art.  You forgot David Foster Wallace, who was a tennis prodigy.  And Muhammad Ali, who was quite the poet and orator.  Excelsior!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote for me, and I will re-name the federal government the Feral Government.  Politicians will be released into the wild, to fend for themselves in the great outdoors.  They&#8217;ll return years later, wild-eyed, shaggy and lean, and with all sorts of parasites.  That&#8217;ll learn &#8216;em.</p>
<p>The national anthem will be changed to either &#8220;Take the Skin-heads Bowling,&#8221; or else the theme from &#8220;Courageous Cat.&#8221;  And the currency will be re-designed by George Herriman, Vaughn Bode and Ernie Bushmiller.</p>
<p>And I think everybody should be required to take a detailed, plainly-taught course in civics and basic law, so they have a clearer idea of the sorts of shenanigans governments get up to, and how they can better monitor and criticize them.  And they should have to take it at an age when they&#8217;re genuinely equipped to understand what they&#8217;ve been taught.</p>
<p>w/r/t this whole &#8220;opera versus sport&#8221; thing, why not just athleticize opera (or the performing arts in general)?  Brecht was on to something like this: it&#8217;s part of human nature for people to be interested in judging outcomes against standardized criteria; that&#8217;s what sport is all about.  I mean, just set up an arts system where there are sometimes more head-to-head competitive environments, like maybe having &#8220;Australian Idol &#8212; Classical Version,&#8221; or regional state against state competitions amongst colleges and high schools, for the best production of Twelfth Night or the Henriad.  Make the rules for judging consistent, more like sport.</p>
<p>And I like Doctor Cat&#8217;s idea of making artists play sports and making athletes do art.  You forgot David Foster Wallace, who was a tennis prodigy.  And Muhammad Ali, who was quite the poet and orator.  Excelsior!</p>
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		<title>By: polluted skies</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/28/policy-pr0n/#comment-200378</link>
		<dc:creator>polluted skies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like the federal government to consider a tax relief clause for artists( literary , visual , bullshit ...) who come and reside or continue to reside in Australia.
This is an idea the Irish government has embraced and it appears to have had positive effects for many.
There were generous limits set about how much can be earnt after which the artist may be required to pay some tax and certain sources of income the artist receives from invested monies ( eg hotels, bars ,restaurants, farms ) aren&#039;t tax free.

Both major parties should commit to more generous overall funding for education - from daycare to tertiary level. Funding can be sourced from a set percentage of GST ( through the negotiations conducted between  state and federal governments)and maybe from long term bonds issued against HECS repayment funds or even by dipping into a tax on gambling.
Investment in improving  our education at all levels will lead to us dealing with all manner of other problems more effectively.
Industry policy from both parties will unfortunately be a mish-mash trying to satisfy their backers. We would all benefit from a hands off approach with suitable tax incentives for those areas which need R and D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like the federal government to consider a tax relief clause for artists( literary , visual , bullshit &#8230;) who come and reside or continue to reside in Australia.<br />
This is an idea the Irish government has embraced and it appears to have had positive effects for many.<br />
There were generous limits set about how much can be earnt after which the artist may be required to pay some tax and certain sources of income the artist receives from invested monies ( eg hotels, bars ,restaurants, farms ) aren&#8217;t tax free.</p>
<p>Both major parties should commit to more generous overall funding for education &#8211; from daycare to tertiary level. Funding can be sourced from a set percentage of GST ( through the negotiations conducted between  state and federal governments)and maybe from long term bonds issued against HECS repayment funds or even by dipping into a tax on gambling.<br />
Investment in improving  our education at all levels will lead to us dealing with all manner of other problems more effectively.<br />
Industry policy from both parties will unfortunately be a mish-mash trying to satisfy their backers. We would all benefit from a hands off approach with suitable tax incentives for those areas which need R and D.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/28/policy-pr0n/#comment-200377</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;from a social point of view, sport is extremely important for all children to participate in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why? So the uncoordinated, the short-sighted, the gentle, the bookish, the dreamy and the bored-to-sobs can be publicly humiliated, openly bullied and/or bored to sobs on a weekly basis?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Art is ultimately an elitist activity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And sport, which is all about winning, isn&#039;t?

Get real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>from a social point of view, sport is extremely important for all children to participate in.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why? So the uncoordinated, the short-sighted, the gentle, the bookish, the dreamy and the bored-to-sobs can be publicly humiliated, openly bullied and/or bored to sobs on a weekly basis?</p>
<blockquote><p>Art is ultimately an elitist activity.</p></blockquote>
<p>And sport, which is all about winning, isn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>Get real.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/28/policy-pr0n/#comment-200376</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pavlov&#039;s Cat


&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m more interested in the delivery of the message that art is (at least) as important as sport than I am in funding increases as such.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Hmmm...I wonder how you could make that assessment? I would argue that from a social point of view, sport is extremely important for all children to participate in. I am not convinced it is the case for Art. Art is ultimately an elitist activity. We should encourage the very best and allow hoi polloi to watch The Simpsons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pavlov&#8217;s Cat</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m more interested in the delivery of the message that art is (at least) as important as sport than I am in funding increases as such.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;I wonder how you could make that assessment? I would argue that from a social point of view, sport is extremely important for all children to participate in. I am not convinced it is the case for Art. Art is ultimately an elitist activity. We should encourage the very best and allow hoi polloi to watch The Simpsons.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other grand plan I would embark on is getting the VFT back up and running on the Hume corridor between Melbourne Canberra and Sydney.

of course this would send Qantas broke, but you can&#039;t make an omelette...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other grand plan I would embark on is getting the VFT back up and running on the Hume corridor between Melbourne Canberra and Sydney.</p>
<p>of course this would send Qantas broke, but you can&#8217;t make an omelette&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/28/policy-pr0n/#comment-200374</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Under my hegemony&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Helen, I like it!

&lt;blockquote&gt; Non Sum Qualis Eram Bonae sub Regno Cynarae

      (I am not as I was under the reign of the good Cynara - Horace)

      LAST night, ah, yesternight, betwixt her lips and mine
      There fell thy shadow, Cynara! thy breath was shed
      Upon my soul between the kisses and the wine;
      And I was desolate and sick of an old passion,
          Yea, I was desolate and bowed my head:
      I have been faithful to thee, Cynara! in my fashion.

      All night upon mine heart I felt her warm heart beat,
      Night-long within mine arms in love and sleep she lay;
      Surely the kisses of her bought red mouth were sweet;
      But I was desolate and sick of an old passion,
          When I awoke and found the dawn was gray:
      I have been faithful to you, Cynara! in my fashion.

      I have forgot much, Cynara! gone with the wind,
      Flung roses, roses riotously with the throng,
      Dancing, to put thy pale, lost lilies out of mind;
      But I was desolate and sick of an old passion,
          Yea, all the time, because the dance was long;
      I have been faithful to thee, Cynara! in my fashion.

      I cried for madder music and for stronger wine,
      But when the feast is finished and the lamps expire,
      Then falls thy shadow, Cynara! the night is thine;
      And I am desolate and sick of an old passion,
          Yea, hungry for the lips of my desire:
      I have been faithful to thee, Cynara! in my fashion.

          Ernest Dowson&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Symbolist poets of decadence and the Yellow Book &lt;i&gt;Fin du siecle&lt;/i&gt; aesthetic to be the sole content of the English curriculum!

Dr Donnelly to be forced to read same, and write students&#039; notes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Under my hegemony</p></blockquote>
<p>Helen, I like it!</p>
<blockquote><p> Non Sum Qualis Eram Bonae sub Regno Cynarae</p>
<p>      (I am not as I was under the reign of the good Cynara &#8211; Horace)</p>
<p>      LAST night, ah, yesternight, betwixt her lips and mine<br />
      There fell thy shadow, Cynara! thy breath was shed<br />
      Upon my soul between the kisses and the wine;<br />
      And I was desolate and sick of an old passion,<br />
          Yea, I was desolate and bowed my head:<br />
      I have been faithful to thee, Cynara! in my fashion.</p>
<p>      All night upon mine heart I felt her warm heart beat,<br />
      Night-long within mine arms in love and sleep she lay;<br />
      Surely the kisses of her bought red mouth were sweet;<br />
      But I was desolate and sick of an old passion,<br />
          When I awoke and found the dawn was gray:<br />
      I have been faithful to you, Cynara! in my fashion.</p>
<p>      I have forgot much, Cynara! gone with the wind,<br />
      Flung roses, roses riotously with the throng,<br />
      Dancing, to put thy pale, lost lilies out of mind;<br />
      But I was desolate and sick of an old passion,<br />
          Yea, all the time, because the dance was long;<br />
      I have been faithful to thee, Cynara! in my fashion.</p>
<p>      I cried for madder music and for stronger wine,<br />
      But when the feast is finished and the lamps expire,<br />
      Then falls thy shadow, Cynara! the night is thine;<br />
      And I am desolate and sick of an old passion,<br />
          Yea, hungry for the lips of my desire:<br />
      I have been faithful to thee, Cynara! in my fashion.</p>
<p>          Ernest Dowson</p></blockquote>
<p>Symbolist poets of decadence and the Yellow Book <i>Fin du siecle</i> aesthetic to be the sole content of the English curriculum!</p>
<p>Dr Donnelly to be forced to read same, and write students&#8217; notes&#8230;</p>
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