Comments on: Stern comes to town http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:16:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Brian http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200420 Brian Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:57:10 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200420 Oigal, I daresay you are right. Someone on the radio today pointed out that we haven't even made the import of illegally logged timber illegal. Oigal, I daresay you are right. Someone on the radio today pointed out that we haven’t even made the import of illegally logged timber illegal.

]]> By: Oigal http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200419 Oigal Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:36:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200419 "Indonesia is the biggest culprit being responsible for 30% of deforestatioin emissions and Brazil 20%. If $200 m actually makes a difference it must rank as one of the most cost-effective mitigation strategies available" Laugh..oh stop its hurting...does anyone really think that the money would do go into anything but more high end homes in Jakarta and Singapore.. Its not the money but the will (or want) and thats something Indonesia's elite don't have...What sacrifice a few dollars for someone I don't even know?? Are you kidding? “Indonesia is the biggest culprit being responsible for 30% of deforestatioin emissions and Brazil 20%. If $200 m actually makes a difference it must rank as one of the most cost-effective mitigation strategies available”

Laugh..oh stop its hurting…does anyone really think that the money would do go into anything but more high end homes in Jakarta and Singapore..

Its not the money but the will (or want) and thats something Indonesia’s elite don’t have…What sacrifice a few dollars for someone I don’t even know?? Are you kidding?

]]> By: wbb http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200418 wbb Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:17:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200418 Putting solar panels on your house is 4 the birds. Can't believe Rudd is rolling out a rebate for it. The money should go to centralised solar power generation. Think big. Think efficiency. Stop thinking small is beautiful. Small is for needle-craft and jam. Big is for outrageous harnessing of the forces of physics like electricity generation. No more mucking around. We are the 6.5 billion. Sorry to break it to the libertarian dreamers but we are a plague species. We have no rights. Just dire needs. Putting solar panels on your house is 4 the birds. Can’t believe Rudd is rolling out a rebate for it. The money should go to centralised solar power generation. Think big. Think efficiency. Stop thinking small is beautiful. Small is for needle-craft and jam. Big is for outrageous harnessing of the forces of physics like electricity generation.

No more mucking around. We are the 6.5 billion. Sorry to break it to the libertarian dreamers but we are a plague species. We have no rights. Just dire needs.

]]> By: cam http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200417 cam Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:59:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200417 <i>GM Holden just spent $1 billion dollars in Oz revamping the bloody Commodore, FFS. What a travesty. If only just half that had been directed toward solar power research. ……….</i> People buy Holden Commodores. There is plenty of solar technology around already, the technology isn't the issue, it is the upfront cost. To outfit my house with solar panels to take care of my energy needs would be 50K USD. I noticed there are some energy companies appearing in the US where you lease the solar panels from them, and pay them a monthly amount. Which is one way of dealing with the large upfront cost. Not too far different a business model from the cell phone companies and ISPs. GM Holden just spent $1 billion dollars in Oz revamping the bloody Commodore, FFS. What a travesty. If only just half that had been directed toward solar power research. ……….

People buy Holden Commodores.

There is plenty of solar technology around already, the technology isn’t the issue, it is the upfront cost. To outfit my house with solar panels to take care of my energy needs would be 50K USD. I noticed there are some energy companies appearing in the US where you lease the solar panels from them, and pay them a monthly amount. Which is one way of dealing with the large upfront cost. Not too far different a business model from the cell phone companies and ISPs.

]]> By: Innocent Dingo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200416 Innocent Dingo Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:25:44 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200416 Time spent in traffic spewing my personal contribution of carbon to the problem allows me to ponder that we are having a debate on cclimate change and GW at the same time we are acknowledging 200 years since the end of slavery. There were some economic rationalists and slave-trade "realists" of that day who thought the end of slavery would constitute the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it. Economies, it was predicted, would collapse and it would darkness and gnashing of teeth..... but somehow a post-slavery world perservered. Similarly the abolition of child labour and the introduction of universal sufferage were sure to prompt End Times collapse. Now climate change "realists" are saying we cannot survive if we dont protect and coddle the coal industry. Bollocks. Embrace solar power - China's richest man has - a man who is an Aussie resident who is using technology developed in Oz. Of course, the knockers here said the technology would never work and it offered all sorts of barriers to adoption. He just got on and did it. Best place for coal and uranium is in the ground. ALL focus, funding and research in all countries should be directed to advancing solar power. GM Holden just spent $1 billion dollars in Oz revamping the bloody Commodore, FFS. What a travesty. If only just half that had been directed toward solar power research. .......... Time spent in traffic spewing my personal contribution of carbon to the problem allows me to ponder that we are having a debate on cclimate change and GW at the same time we are acknowledging 200 years since the end of slavery.
There were some economic rationalists and slave-trade “realists” of that day who thought the end of slavery would constitute the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it.
Economies, it was predicted, would collapse and it would darkness and gnashing of teeth….. but somehow a post-slavery world perservered.
Similarly the abolition of child labour and the introduction of universal sufferage were sure to prompt End Times collapse.
Now climate change “realists” are saying we cannot survive if we dont protect and coddle the coal industry.
Bollocks.
Embrace solar power – China’s richest man has – a man who is an Aussie resident who is using technology developed in Oz.
Of course, the knockers here said the technology would never work and it offered all sorts of barriers to adoption. He just got on and did it.
Best place for coal and uranium is in the ground. ALL focus, funding and research in all countries should be directed to advancing solar power.

GM Holden just spent $1 billion dollars in Oz revamping the bloody Commodore, FFS. What a travesty. If only just half that had been directed toward solar power research. ……….

]]> By: Allan http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200415 Allan Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:54:10 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200415 The PM has propable read the critique of Stern in World Economics Vol 7. No 4 Oct / Dec 2006 issue and decided to keep Stern at arms lenght. Because Stern is the golden haired AGW boy at the moment dosn't necessarily making him right. Just look at what the World Bank, his previous employer, has done over the years. Next car will be powered by Hydrogen generated by PV panels on the house The PM has propable read the critique of Stern in World Economics Vol 7. No 4 Oct / Dec 2006 issue and decided to keep Stern at arms lenght.
Because Stern is the golden haired AGW boy at the moment dosn’t necessarily making him right. Just look at what the World Bank, his previous employer, has done over the years.
Next car will be powered by Hydrogen generated by PV panels on the house

]]> By: tim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200414 tim Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:45:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200414 Wilful makes a good point. I'm not sure about the accuracy of Stern's 1% - although I still remain to be convinced that human ingenuity can't be harnessed to allow us to do it with net economic benefit. However, I find Stern's 20% very hard to swallow indeed. It is ludicrously conservative. He's happy to see us stabilise emissions at 550ppm, even though his own graphs show that that gives us a 50% chance of reaching 3C warming - well above the danger level of 2C when feedback loops start to kick in. If we do head towards 500ppm, and 3C warming or more comes to pass, you can wave at 20% costs to the global economy as it zips past, carried by melt-water from the Antarctic and Greenland... Wilful makes a good point. I’m not sure about the accuracy of Stern’s 1% – although I still remain to be convinced that human ingenuity can’t be harnessed to allow us to do it with net economic benefit.

However, I find Stern’s 20% very hard to swallow indeed. It is ludicrously conservative. He’s happy to see us stabilise emissions at 550ppm, even though his own graphs show that that gives us a 50% chance of reaching 3C warming – well above the danger level of 2C when feedback loops start to kick in.

If we do head towards 500ppm, and 3C warming or more comes to pass, you can wave at 20% costs to the global economy as it zips past, carried by melt-water from the Antarctic and Greenland…

]]> By: wilful http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200413 wilful Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:01:24 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200413 <strong>Observa</strong>, I reckon (just gut instinct) that you're quite right that the 1% figure is mythical - but I also suspect the costs are higher than 20%, across the planet. Your pint about coastal real estate markets isn't actually the gotcha that you seem to think it is (since you repeat it so often). So people are idiots who can't foresee the future - what a shock. I most assuredly wouldn't be buying land in the Gold Coast or Gippsland Lakes. Observa, I reckon (just gut instinct) that you’re quite right that the 1% figure is mythical – but I also suspect the costs are higher than 20%, across the planet.

Your pint about coastal real estate markets isn’t actually the gotcha that you seem to think it is (since you repeat it so often). So people are idiots who can’t foresee the future – what a shock. I most assuredly wouldn’t be buying land in the Gold Coast or Gippsland Lakes.

]]> By: Brian http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200412 Brian Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:57:42 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200412 Observa, our next car is going to be a hybrid. The next after that may be fully electric, or run on compressed air, powered, I hope, from a decarbonised grid. Observa, our next car is going to be a hybrid. The next after that may be fully electric, or run on compressed air, powered, I hope, from a decarbonised grid.

]]> By: observa http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200411 observa Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:05:49 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/03/29/stern-comes-to-town/#comment-200411 Robert, In my state we've got another couple of gas power plants on the drawing board. Electricity is one thing and in the absence of nuclear, that leaves a bloody big fingers crossed for renewables and unproven geothermal and sequestered fossils, assuming those 60% reductions. Forget that for a moment and when you're next filling your car think 60% less in your tank, let alone the fossil fuels tied up in the thing you're filling up and wearing out. Now I know we can get whole families on Honda stepthrus like Indos, but is it really gunna happen? As for changing a few light bulbs and planting a few more trees, what can I really say? 60% reductions in fossil fuel use, sixty per cent, SIXTY BLOODY PER CENT!!!!!! Robert,
In my state we’ve got another couple of gas power plants on the drawing board. Electricity is one thing and in the absence of nuclear, that leaves a bloody big fingers crossed for renewables and unproven geothermal and sequestered fossils, assuming those 60% reductions. Forget that for a moment and when you’re next filling your car think 60% less in your tank, let alone the fossil fuels tied up in the thing you’re filling up and wearing out. Now I know we can get whole families on Honda stepthrus like Indos, but is it really gunna happen? As for changing a few light bulbs and planting a few more trees, what can I really say? 60% reductions in fossil fuel use, sixty per cent, SIXTY BLOODY PER CENT!!!!!!

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