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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/05/us-supreme-court-pushes-epa-to-regulate-greenhouse/#comment-191498</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am comparing the automatics here Rob if you check the comparison tables link you&#039;ll find both cars have the new one speed constant variable transmissions (CVTs in the jargon)CVTs are like driving with an electric motor, with no change ups whatsoever and their efficiency beats manuals hands down nowadays, as well as the pull off the line. The Mitsi with 77KW to 59KW for the Prius is nippy and must make the Prius a bit of a slug by comparison. Trust me the little buggers have come a long way from just a few years ago and I&#039;m six foot four and comfortable in them, although I drive a Commode ute for a workhorse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am comparing the automatics here Rob if you check the comparison tables link you&#8217;ll find both cars have the new one speed constant variable transmissions (CVTs in the jargon)CVTs are like driving with an electric motor, with no change ups whatsoever and their efficiency beats manuals hands down nowadays, as well as the pull off the line. The Mitsi with 77KW to 59KW for the Prius is nippy and must make the Prius a bit of a slug by comparison. Trust me the little buggers have come a long way from just a few years ago and I&#8217;m six foot four and comfortable in them, although I drive a Commode ute for a workhorse.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/05/us-supreme-court-pushes-epa-to-regulate-greenhouse/#comment-191497</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obby, you should also be comparing the automatic Colt to the Prius.  Small automatics are traditionally dogs to drive, though I can&#039;t comment specifically on the Colt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obby, you should also be comparing the automatic Colt to the Prius.  Small automatics are traditionally dogs to drive, though I can&#8217;t comment specifically on the Colt.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/05/us-supreme-court-pushes-epa-to-regulate-greenhouse/#comment-191496</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d be surprised about the size and luxury comparisons Robert here
http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?key2=TOYO07EZ&amp;key=MITS07AX&amp;new=1
The Mitsi is essentially a square backed hatch, hence the 200mm shorter wheel base and the overall length is largely boot in the Prius. Given the more sluggish engine in the Prius 57KW cf 77Kw for the Colt, the Colt could easily be enlarged to match. In general they&#039;re making small cars higher (Mitsi is 60mm higher than the Prius even) for more upright seating stance, which reduces the length needed for legroom cf lower slumped seating styles of yore. Nevertheless it&#039;s true they are slightly different cars, but not much in specs as you&#039;ll notice. You&#039;re largely paying for that hybrid function with the Prius.

The purpose of this comparison was largely as a result of seeing a rollform steel products suppliers company Prius complete with trendy new logo parading down Glenelg. Now I know like most companies, their reps and mangers have largely driven Aussie sixes, but here was the new green face obviously. Whilst you might forgive doctors&#039; wives for conspicuous badge wearing, there&#039;s no forgiving sound business heads for that. Their sales reps could easily drive themselves and their briefcases around in Colts(like security guards in Toyota Echos mostly and now Hyundai Getz) and spend the balance on solar cells on their factory and sales outlets. That makes more green economic sense in the current marketplace. These wankers are playing around being conspicuous greenies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d be surprised about the size and luxury comparisons Robert here<br />
<a href="http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?key2=TOYO07EZ&#038;key=MITS07AX&#038;new=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?key2=TOYO07EZ&#038;key=MITS07AX&#038;new=1</a><br />
The Mitsi is essentially a square backed hatch, hence the 200mm shorter wheel base and the overall length is largely boot in the Prius. Given the more sluggish engine in the Prius 57KW cf 77Kw for the Colt, the Colt could easily be enlarged to match. In general they&#8217;re making small cars higher (Mitsi is 60mm higher than the Prius even) for more upright seating stance, which reduces the length needed for legroom cf lower slumped seating styles of yore. Nevertheless it&#8217;s true they are slightly different cars, but not much in specs as you&#8217;ll notice. You&#8217;re largely paying for that hybrid function with the Prius.</p>
<p>The purpose of this comparison was largely as a result of seeing a rollform steel products suppliers company Prius complete with trendy new logo parading down Glenelg. Now I know like most companies, their reps and mangers have largely driven Aussie sixes, but here was the new green face obviously. Whilst you might forgive doctors&#8217; wives for conspicuous badge wearing, there&#8217;s no forgiving sound business heads for that. Their sales reps could easily drive themselves and their briefcases around in Colts(like security guards in Toyota Echos mostly and now Hyundai Getz) and spend the balance on solar cells on their factory and sales outlets. That makes more green economic sense in the current marketplace. These wankers are playing around being conspicuous greenies.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, whether renewables, nuclear or geosequestration (or some combination of both) will ultimately replace dirty coal is a matter for strong debate...which perhaps isn&#039;t worth going over again on this post.

However, on your specific question about the USA and China with respect to why they&#039;re so polluting despite nuclear power, you have to look at the amount of nuclear power actually deployed.  In the USA roughly 20% of electricity, and only 8% of total energy, comes from nuclear power.  In China, it&#039;s a much smaller fraction again.

If you want to see the potential for nuclear power to cut greenhouse emissions I suggest you &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;compare France and Germany&lt;/a&gt;, or Sweden and Denmark.  Most of France&#039;s electricity is nuclear; only a small part of Germany&#039;s is.  Denmark, so beloved of environmentalists for its wind power program, pumps out roughly 66% more CO2 per capita than Sweden.

There are good arguments against nuclear power; that it can&#039;t cut greenhouse emissions by a large amount isn&#039;t one.

Observa, the current-gen Prius is a considerably larger and more luxurious car than the Colt.  A fairer comparison would be against the Lancer or a Honda Civic.  That said, you&#039;re quite right that there are much cheaper ways to reduce one&#039;s carbon emissions than buying a hybrid (or, for that matter, putting solar cells on your roof).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, whether renewables, nuclear or geosequestration (or some combination of both) will ultimately replace dirty coal is a matter for strong debate&#8230;which perhaps isn&#8217;t worth going over again on this post.</p>
<p>However, on your specific question about the USA and China with respect to why they&#8217;re so polluting despite nuclear power, you have to look at the amount of nuclear power actually deployed.  In the USA roughly 20% of electricity, and only 8% of total energy, comes from nuclear power.  In China, it&#8217;s a much smaller fraction again.</p>
<p>If you want to see the potential for nuclear power to cut greenhouse emissions I suggest you <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita" rel="nofollow">compare France and Germany</a>, or Sweden and Denmark.  Most of France&#8217;s electricity is nuclear; only a small part of Germany&#8217;s is.  Denmark, so beloved of environmentalists for its wind power program, pumps out roughly 66% more CO2 per capita than Sweden.</p>
<p>There are good arguments against nuclear power; that it can&#8217;t cut greenhouse emissions by a large amount isn&#8217;t one.</p>
<p>Observa, the current-gen Prius is a considerably larger and more luxurious car than the Colt.  A fairer comparison would be against the Lancer or a Honda Civic.  That said, you&#8217;re quite right that there are much cheaper ways to reduce one&#8217;s carbon emissions than buying a hybrid (or, for that matter, putting solar cells on your roof).</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/05/us-supreme-court-pushes-epa-to-regulate-greenhouse/#comment-191494</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a bit of green economics for you in our currently constituted marketplace. Just bought the missus a new Mitsubishi Colt. Like the Toyota Prius it has a 1.5 litre DOHC variable valve timing engine and the same constant variable transmission types. Both 4 doors with the usual. power mirrors, windows, ABS brakes, but the Prius is a hybrid electric and may have a few more bells and whistles. You can look up new vehicles, their specs and prices on the Redbook car site. Second hand prices too. Anyhow the RRP of the Mitsi(LS Auto) is $18990, while the cheaper Prius is $37,400.(Actually state govt stamp duty will hit the Prius harder) That&#039;s an upfront saving of $18,410 over the life of the 2 cars. The Mitsi has a 5 yr unconditional warranty with free roadside assist and then a 10 year or 160000km power train (engine and trans) warranty for the new buyer only.

Compare the two cars&#039; rated fuel economies and we&#039;re about to finish the picture here. Prius the best in the marketplace at 4.4L/100Km and the fuel miser of the Mitsi range at 5.6L/100Km. That&#039;s a difference of 1.2L/100Km. So quickly you can see the savings facing the average punter wanting to buy a car for 10 years , driving an average 16000 km/yr (that Mitsi warranty remember?) The Prius would save 192L of fuel a year over the 10 years meaning an extra 1920L at say a generous current price of $1.30/L means a projected present vale saving of $2496. Now if fuel rises in price that could look better for the Prius, but against that is the extra cost of financing that $18,410 price difference and stamp duty difference. At present values, the wife and I can save $18410 - $2496= $15914 over the 10 year life of the car and what&#039;s more save that up front. A Prius owner could buy a Mitsi Colt and use that saving to put solar cells on their roof, probably negating the carbon footprint of the Mitsi altogether. (Mitsubishi claim it produces 134g/km which is 2.144 tonnes/yr at 16000km) My conclusion? Prius drivers are economically and environmentally, illiterate wankers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a bit of green economics for you in our currently constituted marketplace. Just bought the missus a new Mitsubishi Colt. Like the Toyota Prius it has a 1.5 litre DOHC variable valve timing engine and the same constant variable transmission types. Both 4 doors with the usual. power mirrors, windows, ABS brakes, but the Prius is a hybrid electric and may have a few more bells and whistles. You can look up new vehicles, their specs and prices on the Redbook car site. Second hand prices too. Anyhow the RRP of the Mitsi(LS Auto) is $18990, while the cheaper Prius is $37,400.(Actually state govt stamp duty will hit the Prius harder) That&#8217;s an upfront saving of $18,410 over the life of the 2 cars. The Mitsi has a 5 yr unconditional warranty with free roadside assist and then a 10 year or 160000km power train (engine and trans) warranty for the new buyer only.</p>
<p>Compare the two cars&#8217; rated fuel economies and we&#8217;re about to finish the picture here. Prius the best in the marketplace at 4.4L/100Km and the fuel miser of the Mitsi range at 5.6L/100Km. That&#8217;s a difference of 1.2L/100Km. So quickly you can see the savings facing the average punter wanting to buy a car for 10 years , driving an average 16000 km/yr (that Mitsi warranty remember?) The Prius would save 192L of fuel a year over the 10 years meaning an extra 1920L at say a generous current price of $1.30/L means a projected present vale saving of $2496. Now if fuel rises in price that could look better for the Prius, but against that is the extra cost of financing that $18,410 price difference and stamp duty difference. At present values, the wife and I can save $18410 &#8211; $2496= $15914 over the 10 year life of the car and what&#8217;s more save that up front. A Prius owner could buy a Mitsi Colt and use that saving to put solar cells on their roof, probably negating the carbon footprint of the Mitsi altogether. (Mitsubishi claim it produces 134g/km which is 2.144 tonnes/yr at 16000km) My conclusion? Prius drivers are economically and environmentally, illiterate wankers.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right of course steve that govts can ignore PS advice to their hearts content and be it on their own electoral heads. However, listening to the PS all the time could lead to retaining the staus quo. Certainly Whitlam would have thought so at one time. I&#039;d imagine it&#039;s quite likely to be able go back and read reports from Treasury backing tarriff walls and managed exchange rates too. We may be about to feel the fallacy of believing in neutral, unelected officialdom aka the US Reserve, with their slack money chickens coming home to roost with the sub-prime mortgage market collapse and consequent shock waves. Personally I&#039;d rather govts carry the resposibility and the electoral can for that. They probably only carry the latter now and Reserve Bank officilas never lose their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right of course steve that govts can ignore PS advice to their hearts content and be it on their own electoral heads. However, listening to the PS all the time could lead to retaining the staus quo. Certainly Whitlam would have thought so at one time. I&#8217;d imagine it&#8217;s quite likely to be able go back and read reports from Treasury backing tarriff walls and managed exchange rates too. We may be about to feel the fallacy of believing in neutral, unelected officialdom aka the US Reserve, with their slack money chickens coming home to roost with the sub-prime mortgage market collapse and consequent shock waves. Personally I&#8217;d rather govts carry the resposibility and the electoral can for that. They probably only carry the latter now and Reserve Bank officilas never lose their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, an interesting move on the part of the court and just shows that if the pollies either won&#039;t or can&#039;t take Global Warming seriously then sooner or later it will be forced upon them through other processes anyway.

I have no doubt that Howard and his government have no interest in the subject and Ross gittins was very critical of the focus being put on inconsequential token things while nothing is being decided on the broader important issues identified by Stern and the Productivity Commission Report.

Similarly, Howard running around pushing the nuclear Power option makes little sense when he knows that it too is detrimental to the coal industry and that the price increases needed to cut Green House emissions will also make renewables competitive and probably more able to be delivered quicker and more cheaply than nuclear.

The thing I can&#039;t get my head around is seeing both the US and China have had nuclear power for yonks , why are they then the world&#039;s worst polluters and by huge margins over other countries if it is such &#039;a clean green option&#039;.  I read somewhere today that car emissions in the US only account for about 15% of emmissions in the US.

Another interesting thing I noted this week was as soon as the Productivity Report came down the Carbon Tax option was immediately rejected by Howard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, an interesting move on the part of the court and just shows that if the pollies either won&#8217;t or can&#8217;t take Global Warming seriously then sooner or later it will be forced upon them through other processes anyway.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that Howard and his government have no interest in the subject and Ross gittins was very critical of the focus being put on inconsequential token things while nothing is being decided on the broader important issues identified by Stern and the Productivity Commission Report.</p>
<p>Similarly, Howard running around pushing the nuclear Power option makes little sense when he knows that it too is detrimental to the coal industry and that the price increases needed to cut Green House emissions will also make renewables competitive and probably more able to be delivered quicker and more cheaply than nuclear.</p>
<p>The thing I can&#8217;t get my head around is seeing both the US and China have had nuclear power for yonks , why are they then the world&#8217;s worst polluters and by huge margins over other countries if it is such &#8216;a clean green option&#8217;.  I read somewhere today that car emissions in the US only account for about 15% of emmissions in the US.</p>
<p>Another interesting thing I noted this week was as soon as the Productivity Report came down the Carbon Tax option was immediately rejected by Howard.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Robert.

Most commentators seem to think the decision is important and far-reaching but are not sure what it&#039;s going to mean.

Observa, the Supreme Court has to rule on cases brought before it. If there is law they apply it. If the pollies have been slack and there&#039;s no law, they still have to make a decision, but only in terms of the case before them. If the pollies don&#039;t like what the judges have done they can still make law to set things right in the future.

The only time they get to over-rule the pollies is when they make laws that are unconstitutional and someone contests them.

If the pollies think certain decisions should be made by a panel of experts not subject to political pressures then they set one up - by statute. Hence the RBA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Robert.</p>
<p>Most commentators seem to think the decision is important and far-reaching but are not sure what it&#8217;s going to mean.</p>
<p>Observa, the Supreme Court has to rule on cases brought before it. If there is law they apply it. If the pollies have been slack and there&#8217;s no law, they still have to make a decision, but only in terms of the case before them. If the pollies don&#8217;t like what the judges have done they can still make law to set things right in the future.</p>
<p>The only time they get to over-rule the pollies is when they make laws that are unconstitutional and someone contests them.</p>
<p>If the pollies think certain decisions should be made by a panel of experts not subject to political pressures then they set one up &#8211; by statute. Hence the RBA.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obby, what an influential person you must be,&lt;a href=&quot;http://petermartin.blogspot.com/2007/04/australias-treasury-doesnt-know.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Howard Government is accepting your advice&lt;/a&gt; as their latest brilliant policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obby, what an influential person you must be,<a href="http://petermartin.blogspot.com/2007/04/australias-treasury-doesnt-know.html" rel="nofollow">the Howard Government is accepting your advice</a> as their latest brilliant policy.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But the RBA seems to have done a pretty reasonable job thus far….&quot;
Some would argue that their slack money(and they&#039;re not alone there) has fuelled unsustainable, speculative stock and RE bubbles which leads to the inevitable. Basically the malinvestments argument. Why should an unelected quango be allowed to do this, when the govt should be directly held to account for slack money. When Howard says he can&#039;t guarantee interest rates won&#039;t rise, he&#039;s right, sort of with an independent Reserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the RBA seems to have done a pretty reasonable job thus far….&#8221;<br />
Some would argue that their slack money(and they&#8217;re not alone there) has fuelled unsustainable, speculative stock and RE bubbles which leads to the inevitable. Basically the malinvestments argument. Why should an unelected quango be allowed to do this, when the govt should be directly held to account for slack money. When Howard says he can&#8217;t guarantee interest rates won&#8217;t rise, he&#8217;s right, sort of with an independent Reserve.</p>
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