Comments on: Jonestown v. the Beltway http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:16:42 +0000 hourly 1 By: Katz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-2/#comment-361764 Katz Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:31:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361764 There are two things to be learned from the "Hanson Experience". 1. Populist bigotry is only briefly attractive to Australians. 2. The rest of Australia learns slower than Melburnians. There are two things to be learned from the “Hanson Experience”.

1. Populist bigotry is only briefly attractive to Australians.

2. The rest of Australia learns slower than Melburnians.

]]> By: Gummo Trotsky http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-2/#comment-361747 Gummo Trotsky Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:50:14 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361747 So what is it that we're supposed to learn from the Hanson experience, if we're not going to be labelled "luvvies", Mr G? Alternatives: (1) Hanson showed that in the marginal seats there was a small, but significant, group of voters who were responsive to the "Straya for those whose ancestors got here before the latest bunch of wogs" message? (2) All those working and lower middle class voters believe in "Straya for those whose ancestors got here before the latest bunch of wogs"? i.e. they're all bigots. I find (2) a bit hard to believe - only a luvvie intellectual snob would go for that one. So what is it that we’re supposed to learn from the Hanson experience, if we’re not going to be labelled “luvvies”, Mr G?

Alternatives:

(1) Hanson showed that in the marginal seats there was a small, but significant, group of voters who were responsive to the “Straya for those whose ancestors got here before the latest bunch of wogs” message?

(2) All those working and lower middle class voters believe in “Straya for those whose ancestors got here before the latest bunch of wogs”? i.e. they’re all bigots.

I find (2) a bit hard to believe – only a luvvie intellectual snob would go for that one.

]]> By: Chris http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-2/#comment-361746 Chris Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:44:52 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361746 I note that my point regarding the demographic composition of Jones listeners goes conspicuosly unanswered. I happen to agree that Rudd's response was wise, however Jones dosn't represnt swinging aspirational voters he represents rusted-on coalition voters. I note that my point regarding the demographic composition of Jones listeners goes conspicuosly unanswered. I happen to agree that Rudd’s response was wise, however Jones dosn’t represnt swinging aspirational voters he represents rusted-on coalition voters.

]]> By: John Greenfield http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-2/#comment-361732 John Greenfield Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:23:35 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361732 One thing this thread eerily suggests is that the luvvies have still not learnt from the Hanson experience. From that point of view, Rudd's response is wise if he wants to claw back those working and lower middle class Howard voters. One thing this thread eerily suggests is that the luvvies have still not learnt from the Hanson experience. From that point of view, Rudd’s response is wise if he wants to claw back those working and lower middle class Howard voters.

]]> By: observa http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-2/#comment-361615 observa Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:43:23 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361615 "If 70% of Jones’ listeners are over 50 and 1/3 over 65 then the very best that can be said of him is that he represents the opinion of older, coalition aligned Sydney residents." Yeah well it was probably their kids and grandkids who were doing all the real talking down at Cronulla. Apples and trees. “If 70% of Jones’ listeners are over 50 and 1/3 over 65 then the very best that can be said of him is that he represents the opinion of older, coalition aligned Sydney residents.”

Yeah well it was probably their kids and grandkids who were doing all the real talking down at Cronulla. Apples and trees.

]]> By: Chris http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361583 Chris Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:41:48 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361583 John Greenfield how do you reconcile your claim that Alan Jones is the voice of the working class with the evidence I cited above regarding the demographics of Jones’ listeners. If 70% of Jones’ listeners are over 50 and 1/3 over 65 then the very best that can be said of him is that he represents the opinion of older, coalition aligned Sydney residents. John Greenfield how do you reconcile your claim that Alan Jones is the voice of the working class with the evidence I cited above regarding the demographics of Jones’ listeners. If 70% of Jones’ listeners are over 50 and 1/3 over 65 then the very best that can be said of him is that he represents the opinion of older, coalition aligned Sydney residents.

]]> By: Gummo Trotsky http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361476 Gummo Trotsky Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:56:47 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361476 <blockquote>I feel like I am at a union meeting. Someone speaks an inconvenient truth...</blockquote> Nah, it's more like a lone Maoist turns up to disrupt the meeting by chanting inane slogans Steve.

I feel like I am at a union meeting.

Someone speaks an inconvenient truth…

Nah, it’s more like a lone Maoist turns up to disrupt the meeting by chanting inane slogans Steve.

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361475 Frank Calabrese Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:56:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361475 Meanwhile in WA. http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21556727-2761,00.html <blockquote>RADIO talkback host Howard Sattler has been cleared of inciting racial hatred. Last October, a listener on his program called for Australian mufti Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali to be shot. WA's Ethnic Communities Council complained to the Australian Communications and Media Authority, saying Mr Sattler should have used a "dump button'' to stop the comments going to air. But the authority rejected the complaint.</blockquote> Meanwhile in WA.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21556727-2761,00.html

RADIO talkback host Howard Sattler has been cleared of inciting racial hatred.

Last October, a listener on his program called for Australian mufti Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali to be shot.

WA’s Ethnic Communities Council complained to the Australian Communications and Media Authority, saying Mr Sattler should have used a “dump button” to stop the comments going to air.

But the authority rejected the complaint.

]]> By: Gummo Trotsky http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361474 Gummo Trotsky Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:55:23 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361474

What is really “shocking� to the luvvies is working class people expressing themselves independent of the luvvie cultural gate-keepers.

Assuming that Alan Jones audience is working class, the ones who get to express themselves are the ones who agree with Jones. Instead of a “luvvie cultural gate-keeper” they get the Parrot’s producer screening calls. That’s really not much of an improvement.

BTW Luvvie – your second name isn’t Kraevsit by any chance, is it?

]]> By: joe2 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361467 joe2 Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:27:32 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361467 "Here’s a link in case you want to read the actual report. It’s a bit long and tedious, and the findings are not perhaps as black and white as has been reported." Thanks for that more detailed link Peter TB . I have already saved it for closer inspection. Can I ask how this sounds to you, though ? "The Australian Communications and Media Authority has found that the licensee of commercial radio service 2GB Sydney, Harbour Radio Pty Ltd, breached the Commercial Radio Codes of Practice 2004 (the code) by broadcasting material that was likely to encourage violence or brutality." This is from the media statement that ACMA released. Seems just black and white to me . Not something I would like from my local disc jockey. Positively scary, I would suggest. This coming from a body appointed by Howard and team, we must remember. see full details.... http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_310133 “Here’s a link in case you want to read the actual report. It’s a bit long and tedious, and the findings are not perhaps as black and white as has been reported.”

Thanks for that more detailed link Peter TB . I have already saved it for closer inspection. Can I ask how this sounds to you, though ?

“The Australian Communications and Media Authority has found that the licensee of commercial radio service 2GB Sydney, Harbour Radio Pty Ltd, breached the Commercial Radio Codes of Practice 2004 (the code) by broadcasting material that was likely to encourage violence or brutality.”

This is from the media statement that ACMA released. Seems just black and white to me . Not something I would like from my local disc jockey. Positively scary, I would suggest. This coming from a body appointed by Howard and team, we must remember.

see full details….
http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_310133

]]> By: Luvvie http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361465 Luvvie Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:15:17 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361465 I protest. I know the working class very well. They're learning to make an excellent macchiato. And I tip them generously when they do. I'd like to thank Mr Alan Jones for teaching good manners to the working class. I protest. I know the working class very well.

They’re learning to make an excellent macchiato.

And I tip them generously when they do.

I’d like to thank Mr Alan Jones for teaching good manners to the working class.

]]> By: John Greenfield http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361448 John Greenfield Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:45:28 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361448 Only the ones who listen to Alan Jones, eh, Anna? We should all be delighted for further behavioural insights into homo working-class from one as clearly learned in such matters as yourself. Only the ones who listen to Alan Jones, eh, Anna? We should all be delighted for further behavioural insights into homo working-class from one as clearly learned in such matters as yourself.

]]> By: steve at the pub http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361447 steve at the pub Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:41:11 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361447 I feel like I am at a union meeting. Someone speaks an inconvenient truth. They are shouted down with "you are the only one saying that". Scroll up as much as I might, I cannot find the disdain for the working class which John Greenfield is supposed to be expressing (according to Anna Winter, that is) I feel like I am at a union meeting.

Someone speaks an inconvenient truth.

They are shouted down with “you are the only one saying that”.

Scroll up as much as I might, I cannot find the disdain for the working class which John Greenfield is supposed to be expressing (according to Anna Winter, that is)

]]> By: Anna Winter http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361446 Anna Winter Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:33:24 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361446 John Greenfield, the only person expressing disdain for the working class here is you. We luvvies actually know that working class people aren't all - or even mostly - vile, racist thugs. John Greenfield, the only person expressing disdain for the working class here is you. We luvvies actually know that working class people aren’t all – or even mostly – vile, racist thugs.

]]> By: John Greenfield http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361444 John Greenfield Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:28:19 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361444 Oh, and the gall of Al Sharpton to get his panties in a twist over anybody else's racism! Oh, and the gall of Al Sharpton to get his panties in a twist over anybody else’s racism!

]]> By: John Greenfield http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361443 John Greenfield Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:14:46 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361443 More evidence of the luvvies' disconnect is realiance on the totally American concept of the "shock jock." Once more, we have a situation of the luvvies having no idea what a real "shock jock" is. If they did, they would not be calling John Laws and Alan Jones "shock jocks." What is really "shocking" to the luvvies is working class people expressing themselves independent of the luvvie cultural gate-keepers. More evidence of the luvvies’ disconnect is realiance on the totally American concept of the “shock jock.” Once more, we have a situation of the luvvies having no idea what a real “shock jock” is. If they did, they would not be calling John Laws and Alan Jones “shock jocks.” What is really “shocking” to the luvvies is working class people expressing themselves independent of the luvvie cultural gate-keepers.

]]> By: John Greenfield http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361442 John Greenfield Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:09:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361442 The really unfortunate takeaway about the Jone's sagas is that those who are most outraged are those who never listen to him. They wait for a story of soundbites to be packaged by their Culture Warriors in the ABC or Fairfax. Alan Jones' appeal and 'power' are far more complex than the luvvies understand. Regrettably it sounds like the luvvies and the middle class morals committees in general are resentful that working class voices are able to be heard on a medium the luvvies do not rule. Therefore, this medium must be closed down. The really unfortunate takeaway about the Jone’s sagas is that those who are most outraged are those who never listen to him. They wait for a story of soundbites to be packaged by their Culture Warriors in the ABC or Fairfax.

Alan Jones’ appeal and ‘power’ are far more complex than the luvvies understand. Regrettably it sounds like the luvvies and the middle class morals committees in general are resentful that working class voices are able to be heard on a medium the luvvies do not rule. Therefore, this medium must be closed down.

]]> By: PeterTB http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361399 PeterTB Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:36:35 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361399 Here's a link in case you want to read the actual <a href="http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib101068/2gb - report 1485.pdf" rel="nofollow">report</a>. It's a bit long and tedious, and the findings are not perhaps as black and white as has been reported. Here’s a link in case you want to read the actual report. It’s a bit long and tedious, and the findings are not perhaps as black and white as has been reported.

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361381 Kim Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:45:18 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361381 <blockquote>ACMA are totally out of line here and were attempting to squash free speech they didn’t think was appropriate to their leafy latte burbs.</blockquote> Either that, obs, or ACMA made the lamest finding they possibly could given the law under which they operate.

ACMA are totally out of line here and were attempting to squash free speech they didn’t think was appropriate to their leafy latte burbs.

Either that, obs, or ACMA made the lamest finding they possibly could given the law under which they operate.

]]> By: observa http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/comment-page-1/#comment-361357 observa Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:45:53 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-361357 "Anthony, good call. Imus’ comments were sexist as well as racist. What a revolting specimen." And did you call for the sacking of that revolting specimen who called a woman a skanky ho? Jones has no power, anymore than any of our media moguls do. They are popular because they reflect strong public opinion from time to time. Sydneyites were increasingly pissed off at the revolting behaviour of a significant section of a particular immigrant group. Their political leaders had betrayed their faith by tacitly going soft on these scum for many years and also having to put up with similar revolting scum they let in to preach to them. That communal frustration finally boiled over in the Cronulla riots and Jones was merely giving vent to that anger. It wasn't Jones that caused all the pollies to sit up and take notice and now even Rudd leads the mob to run Hilali out of town. ACMA are totally out of line here and were attempting to squash free speech they didn't think was appropriate to their leafy latte burbs. “Anthony, good call. Imus’ comments were sexist as well as racist. What a revolting specimen.”
And did you call for the sacking of that revolting specimen who called a woman a skanky ho?

Jones has no power, anymore than any of our media moguls do. They are popular because they reflect strong public opinion from time to time. Sydneyites were increasingly pissed off at the revolting behaviour of a significant section of a particular immigrant group. Their political leaders had betrayed their faith by tacitly going soft on these scum for many years and also having to put up with similar revolting scum they let in to preach to them. That communal frustration finally boiled over in the Cronulla riots and Jones was merely giving vent to that anger. It wasn’t Jones that caused all the pollies to sit up and take notice and now even Rudd leads the mob to run Hilali out of town. ACMA are totally out of line here and were attempting to squash free speech they didn’t think was appropriate to their leafy latte burbs.

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