Comments on: Jonestown v. the Beltway http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:56:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Katz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192539 Katz Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:31:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192539 There are two things to be learned from the "Hanson Experience". 1. Populist bigotry is only briefly attractive to Australians. 2. The rest of Australia learns slower than Melburnians. There are two things to be learned from the “Hanson Experience”.

1. Populist bigotry is only briefly attractive to Australians.

2. The rest of Australia learns slower than Melburnians.

]]> By: Gummo Trotsky http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192538 Gummo Trotsky Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:50:14 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192538 So what is it that we're supposed to learn from the Hanson experience, if we're not going to be labelled "luvvies", Mr G? Alternatives: (1) Hanson showed that in the marginal seats there was a small, but significant, group of voters who were responsive to the "Straya for those whose ancestors got here before the latest bunch of wogs" message? (2) All those working and lower middle class voters believe in "Straya for those whose ancestors got here before the latest bunch of wogs"? i.e. they're all bigots. I find (2) a bit hard to believe - only a luvvie intellectual snob would go for that one. So what is it that we’re supposed to learn from the Hanson experience, if we’re not going to be labelled “luvvies”, Mr G?

Alternatives:

(1) Hanson showed that in the marginal seats there was a small, but significant, group of voters who were responsive to the “Straya for those whose ancestors got here before the latest bunch of wogs” message?

(2) All those working and lower middle class voters believe in “Straya for those whose ancestors got here before the latest bunch of wogs”? i.e. they’re all bigots.

I find (2) a bit hard to believe – only a luvvie intellectual snob would go for that one.

]]> By: Chris http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192537 Chris Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:44:52 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192537 I note that my point regarding the demographic composition of Jones listeners goes conspicuosly unanswered. I happen to agree that Rudd's response was wise, however Jones dosn't represnt swinging aspirational voters he represents rusted-on coalition voters. I note that my point regarding the demographic composition of Jones listeners goes conspicuosly unanswered. I happen to agree that Rudd’s response was wise, however Jones dosn’t represnt swinging aspirational voters he represents rusted-on coalition voters.

]]> By: John Greenfield http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192536 John Greenfield Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:23:35 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192536 One thing this thread eerily suggests is that the luvvies have still not learnt from the Hanson experience. From that point of view, Rudd's response is wise if he wants to claw back those working and lower middle class Howard voters. One thing this thread eerily suggests is that the luvvies have still not learnt from the Hanson experience. From that point of view, Rudd’s response is wise if he wants to claw back those working and lower middle class Howard voters.

]]> By: observa http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192535 observa Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:43:23 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192535 "If 70% of Jones’ listeners are over 50 and 1/3 over 65 then the very best that can be said of him is that he represents the opinion of older, coalition aligned Sydney residents." Yeah well it was probably their kids and grandkids who were doing all the real talking down at Cronulla. Apples and trees. “If 70% of Jones’ listeners are over 50 and 1/3 over 65 then the very best that can be said of him is that he represents the opinion of older, coalition aligned Sydney residents.”

Yeah well it was probably their kids and grandkids who were doing all the real talking down at Cronulla. Apples and trees.

]]> By: Chris http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192534 Chris Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:41:48 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192534 John Greenfield how do you reconcile your claim that Alan Jones is the voice of the working class with the evidence I cited above regarding the demographics of Jones’ listeners. If 70% of Jones’ listeners are over 50 and 1/3 over 65 then the very best that can be said of him is that he represents the opinion of older, coalition aligned Sydney residents. John Greenfield how do you reconcile your claim that Alan Jones is the voice of the working class with the evidence I cited above regarding the demographics of Jones’ listeners. If 70% of Jones’ listeners are over 50 and 1/3 over 65 then the very best that can be said of him is that he represents the opinion of older, coalition aligned Sydney residents.

]]> By: Gummo Trotsky http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192533 Gummo Trotsky Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:56:47 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192533 <blockquote>I feel like I am at a union meeting. Someone speaks an inconvenient truth...</blockquote> Nah, it's more like a lone Maoist turns up to disrupt the meeting by chanting inane slogans Steve.

I feel like I am at a union meeting.

Someone speaks an inconvenient truth…

Nah, it’s more like a lone Maoist turns up to disrupt the meeting by chanting inane slogans Steve.

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192532 Frank Calabrese Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:56:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192532 Meanwhile in WA. http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21556727-2761,00.html <blockquote>RADIO talkback host Howard Sattler has been cleared of inciting racial hatred. Last October, a listener on his program called for Australian mufti Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali to be shot. WA's Ethnic Communities Council complained to the Australian Communications and Media Authority, saying Mr Sattler should have used a "dump button'' to stop the comments going to air. But the authority rejected the complaint.</blockquote> Meanwhile in WA.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21556727-2761,00.html

RADIO talkback host Howard Sattler has been cleared of inciting racial hatred.

Last October, a listener on his program called for Australian mufti Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali to be shot.

WA’s Ethnic Communities Council complained to the Australian Communications and Media Authority, saying Mr Sattler should have used a “dump button” to stop the comments going to air.

But the authority rejected the complaint.

]]> By: Gummo Trotsky http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192531 Gummo Trotsky Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:55:23 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192531 <blockquote>What is really â??shockingâ?? to the luvvies is working class people expressing themselves independent of the luvvie cultural gate-keepers.</blockquote> Assuming that Alan Jones audience <em>is</em> working class, the ones who get to express themselves are the ones who agree with Jones. Instead of a "luvvie cultural gate-keeper" they get the Parrot's producer screening calls. That's really not much of an improvement. BTW Luvvie - your second name isn't Kraevsit by any chance, is it?

What is really â??shockingâ?? to the luvvies is working class people expressing themselves independent of the luvvie cultural gate-keepers.

Assuming that Alan Jones audience is working class, the ones who get to express themselves are the ones who agree with Jones. Instead of a “luvvie cultural gate-keeper” they get the Parrot’s producer screening calls. That’s really not much of an improvement.

BTW Luvvie – your second name isn’t Kraevsit by any chance, is it?

]]> By: joe2 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192530 joe2 Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:27:32 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/13/jonestown-v-the-beltway/#comment-192530 "Here’s a link in case you want to read the actual report. It’s a bit long and tedious, and the findings are not perhaps as black and white as has been reported." Thanks for that more detailed link Peter TB . I have already saved it for closer inspection. Can I ask how this sounds to you, though ? "The Australian Communications and Media Authority has found that the licensee of commercial radio service 2GB Sydney, Harbour Radio Pty Ltd, breached the Commercial Radio Codes of Practice 2004 (the code) by broadcasting material that was likely to encourage violence or brutality." This is from the media statement that ACMA released. Seems just black and white to me . Not something I would like from my local disc jockey. Positively scary, I would suggest. This coming from a body appointed by Howard and team, we must remember. see full details.... http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_310133 “Here’s a link in case you want to read the actual report. It’s a bit long and tedious, and the findings are not perhaps as black and white as has been reported.”

Thanks for that more detailed link Peter TB . I have already saved it for closer inspection. Can I ask how this sounds to you, though ?

“The Australian Communications and Media Authority has found that the licensee of commercial radio service 2GB Sydney, Harbour Radio Pty Ltd, breached the Commercial Radio Codes of Practice 2004 (the code) by broadcasting material that was likely to encourage violence or brutality.”

This is from the media statement that ACMA released. Seems just black and white to me . Not something I would like from my local disc jockey. Positively scary, I would suggest. This coming from a body appointed by Howard and team, we must remember.

see full details….
http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_310133

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