Comments on: The US Supreme Court's ruling on Gonzales v. Carhart http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:53:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: tigtog http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193489 tigtog Sat, 12 May 2007 22:39:50 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193489 <strong>You do <em>not</em> have a friend who gave birth to a 16 weeks fetus which is now a healthy child.</strong> If you did the whole world would know about that child, because that is at least 5 weeks earlier than the earliest known surviving premature infant (who is a sickly mentally and physically disabled child, not a healthy child). Intact D&Es are only ever undertaken when (a) the foetus is not viable (thus those arguments of yours are invalid) or (b) the mother needs to stop being pregnant urgently in order to deal with a life-threatening medical condition, in which cases intact D&E is the quickest way to evacuate the womb so that maternal-lifesaving treatment can begin (as well as protecting her future fertility). You care so little about the health, lives and future fertility of women that you are willing to lie. You do not have a friend who gave birth to a 16 weeks fetus which is now a healthy child. If you did the whole world would know about that child, because that is at least 5 weeks earlier than the earliest known surviving premature infant (who is a sickly mentally and physically disabled child, not a healthy child).

Intact D&Es are only ever undertaken when (a) the foetus is not viable (thus those arguments of yours are invalid) or (b) the mother needs to stop being pregnant urgently in order to deal with a life-threatening medical condition, in which cases intact D&E is the quickest way to evacuate the womb so that maternal-lifesaving treatment can begin (as well as protecting her future fertility).

You care so little about the health, lives and future fertility of women that you are willing to lie.

]]> By: ohplease http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193488 ohplease Sat, 12 May 2007 18:36:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193488 You have to be kidding me if you think that intact d&e is acceptable. There are many other ways in which to abort a viable fetus. To entertain this idea that in the rare cases intact d&e is the the best choice is murder. For those who want the fetus early deliveries are available. I was born premature and have friends that have given birth to fetus' at 16 weeks and the fetus is now a healthy child. For those who at the outset did not intend to keep the fetus, she should have had the abortion early on. Kennedy was right to analyze the issue with the as-applied standard. The fact of the matter is still, where is the line drawn between an abortion and infantcide? You have to be kidding me if you think that intact d&e is acceptable. There are many other ways in which to abort a viable fetus. To entertain this idea that in the rare cases intact d&e is the the best choice is murder. For those who want the fetus early deliveries are available. I was born premature and have friends that have given birth to fetus’ at 16 weeks and the fetus is now a healthy child. For those who at the outset did not intend to keep the fetus, she should have had the abortion early on. Kennedy was right to analyze the issue with the as-applied standard. The fact of the matter is still, where is the line drawn between an abortion and infantcide?

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193487 Mark Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:27:40 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193487 Pictures, a thousand words, etc: http://feministing.com/archives/006902.html Pictures, a thousand words, etc:

http://feministing.com/archives/006902.html

]]> By: Donatello http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193486 Donatello Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:58:59 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193486 hâ?¦th cnsrshp cwrds hv rrd thr gly hds. Gld t s tht frdm f spch s lv nd wllâ?¦s lng s yâ??r lbrl. TgDg, wht th CG clls prfrbl, th M clls â??bd mdcnâ?? nd â??bsclly rplsv.â?? S pck yr brd (bvsly y lrdy hv). hâ?¦th cnsrshp cwrds hv rrd thr gly hds. Gld t s tht frdm f spch s lv nd wllâ?¦s lng s yâ??r lbrl.
TgDg, wht th CG clls prfrbl, th M clls â??bd mdcnâ?? nd â??bsclly rplsv.â?? S pck yr brd (bvsly y lrdy hv).

]]> By: Christine Keeler http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193485 Christine Keeler Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:01:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193485 <blockquote>I appreciate that the die-hards have a larger agenda.</blockquote> To make the uterus unconstitutional.

I appreciate that the die-hards have a larger agenda.

To make the uterus unconstitutional.

]]> By: tigtog http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193484 tigtog Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:21:54 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193484 Excellent reading at <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/04/big-news-about-gonzales-v-carhart.html" rel="nofollow">Balkinization</a> on the informed consent issues. Post updated to link. Excellent reading at Balkinization on the informed consent issues. Post updated to link.

]]> By: Paul Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193483 Paul Norton Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:31:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193483 <blockquote>Please also do not confuse â??anti-abortionâ?? with â??right-wingâ??, as â??Mnemosyneâ?? has done. Much of the left, at least historically, has also been strongly opposed to abortion. As with many questions of the freedom of the individual against the interference of the state, there is considerable confusion between positions of the â??Leftâ?? and those of the â??Rightâ??.</blockquote> A fair point historically, and still true today in parts of Latin America and possibly other parts of the world, and true in Australia if you include socially and religiously conservative social democrats in your definition of the left. Having said that I have not come across anyone with anti-abortion views (as distinct from squeamishness about the issue) in my time in the ALP Left and the Greens, and such positions would be unheard-of in the contemporary far left.

Please also do not confuse â??anti-abortionâ?? with â??right-wingâ??, as â??Mnemosyneâ?? has done. Much of the left, at least historically, has also been strongly opposed to abortion. As with many questions of the freedom of the individual against the interference of the state, there is considerable confusion between positions of the â??Leftâ?? and those of the â??Rightâ??.

A fair point historically, and still true today in parts of Latin America and possibly other parts of the world, and true in Australia if you include socially and religiously conservative social democrats in your definition of the left. Having said that I have not come across anyone with anti-abortion views (as distinct from squeamishness about the issue) in my time in the ALP Left and the Greens, and such positions would be unheard-of in the contemporary far left.

]]> By: tigtog http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193482 tigtog Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:16:14 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193482 So you know something that the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists doesn't? So you know something that the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists doesn’t?

]]> By: [Trolling as] Hilary Clinton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193481 [Trolling as] Hilary Clinton Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:05:06 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193481 <em>[typical slutshaming not relevant to this post deleted and moniker edited - moderator]</em> Point all you want to the "wanted" pregnancies gone horribly wrong that might require abortion in late term, the medical facts don't bear out the need for partial-birth abortion (or IDX or ID&E or however you want to classify it). [typical slutshaming not relevant to this post deleted and moniker edited - moderator]

Point all you want to the “wanted” pregnancies gone horribly wrong that might require abortion in late term, the medical facts don’t bear out the need for partial-birth abortion (or IDX or ID&E or however you want to classify it).

]]> By: John McNair http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193480 John McNair Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:51:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/19/the-us-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gonzales-v-carhart/#comment-193480 The end game of Gonzales and his â??matesâ?? (Bush etc) is increasing the number of abortions, not decreasing it. He couldnâ??t care less about human rights. What more can one expect from this corrupt individual? Just look at one of the many schemes heâ??s involved in like this one: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54861 The end game of Gonzales and his â??matesâ?? (Bush etc) is increasing the number of abortions, not decreasing it. He couldnâ??t care less about human rights. What more can one expect from this corrupt individual? Just look at one of the many schemes heâ??s involved in like this one:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54861

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