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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-363515</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Australia is such an intolerant place, why did they call an entire state Queensland?</description>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As ole Greenfields John pointed out up there on this here thread, it&#039;s actually quite a good result. Do you reckon even two decades ago, 75% of Australians would admit to being comfortable with same sexualists next door, indulging in perverse practices but not yet factored in as driving local property values up?

Slightly OT, an old (straight) friend of mine who is now a thriving real estate agent and auctioneer, reckons the worst mortgage/home loan risks are young hetro couples (&quot;they often break up and then fight really hard over the assets&quot;) and the best are single gay professionals.

I think around 25% is as good as it&#039;s gonna get for now, equating roughly to a baseline &quot;yuckiness&quot; factor out there in the general populace at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As ole Greenfields John pointed out up there on this here thread, it&#8217;s actually quite a good result. Do you reckon even two decades ago, 75% of Australians would admit to being comfortable with same sexualists next door, indulging in perverse practices but not yet factored in as driving local property values up?</p>
<p>Slightly OT, an old (straight) friend of mine who is now a thriving real estate agent and auctioneer, reckons the worst mortgage/home loan risks are young hetro couples (&#8220;they often break up and then fight really hard over the assets&#8221;) and the best are single gay professionals.</p>
<p>I think around 25% is as good as it&#8217;s gonna get for now, equating roughly to a baseline &#8220;yuckiness&#8221; factor out there in the general populace at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: steve at the pub</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-363352</link>
		<dc:creator>steve at the pub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suz, you answered a question with a question.  *spank*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suz, you answered a question with a question.  *spank*</p>
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		<title>By: suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SATP, are you coming out as a leftie?</description>
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		<title>By: Mick Strummer</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-363284</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Strummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me, I don&#039;t want to live next door to anyone, gay, straight, bi, black, white, asian, muslim, christian or pagan if they deal drugs to lots of customers late at night, play loud music, operate noisy machinery, leave garbage and dead cars/washing machines strewn around, have badly trained dogs that bark all the time, or indulge in any of a number of other inconsiderate behaviours. Otherwise, I couldn&#039;t give a rats what they do/are in their private life. That is, after all, why it is called a private life. There are, unfortunately, far too many people in this world who are worried about the private and personal attributes of others where they really have no business doing so. Most reasonable people call them intolerant bigots
Cheers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me, I don&#8217;t want to live next door to anyone, gay, straight, bi, black, white, asian, muslim, christian or pagan if they deal drugs to lots of customers late at night, play loud music, operate noisy machinery, leave garbage and dead cars/washing machines strewn around, have badly trained dogs that bark all the time, or indulge in any of a number of other inconsiderate behaviours. Otherwise, I couldn&#8217;t give a rats what they do/are in their private life. That is, after all, why it is called a private life. There are, unfortunately, far too many people in this world who are worried about the private and personal attributes of others where they really have no business doing so. Most reasonable people call them intolerant bigots<br />
Cheers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: steve at the pub</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-363253</link>
		<dc:creator>steve at the pub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ontheotherhand: And your point is what exactly?  Are you stating that I have suggested those groups are mutually exclusive?

Suz:  I am not &quot;desperate&quot; to prove anything.  I made a statement, it was commented on, &amp; counter commented etc.  Matter closed (or not, as the case may be).

Please state why you feel I am &quot;conservative&quot;.  Is it something you read in the tarot cards?  Or do you have more concrete documentary evidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ontheotherhand: And your point is what exactly?  Are you stating that I have suggested those groups are mutually exclusive?</p>
<p>Suz:  I am not &#8220;desperate&#8221; to prove anything.  I made a statement, it was commented on, &amp; counter commented etc.  Matter closed (or not, as the case may be).</p>
<p>Please state why you feel I am &#8220;conservative&#8221;.  Is it something you read in the tarot cards?  Or do you have more concrete documentary evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day after this story was published, the front page headline of the central Queensland newspaper The Morning Bulletin (locally known as The Bullyâ€™ dated 20/4/07) read, â€œDaytime antics shock riverside residents GAY SEX ROMP IN ROCKY PARKâ€? and yet another gay witchunt driven by Queensland Police and local governmentâ€¦ The gay witchunt (again) coincided with the inaugural screening in Rockhampton, on that same night of a selection of films from the Melbourne Queer Film Festivalâ€¦ who said the Queensland police state culture went away, post Fitzgerald? Seems the more things change, the more they stay the same in the smart ass state.</p>
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		<title>By: Ontheotherhand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ontheotherhand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a note to that bloke Steve at the pub: if you ever go to a Fruits in Suits meeting, you&#039;ll quickly note that &#039;camp as all get out gay&#039; and &#039;die-hard Liberal party activist&#039; are in no way mutually exclusive categories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a note to that bloke Steve at the pub: if you ever go to a Fruits in Suits meeting, you&#8217;ll quickly note that &#8216;camp as all get out gay&#8217; and &#8216;die-hard Liberal party activist&#8217; are in no way mutually exclusive categories.</p>
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		<title>By: suz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-363132</link>
		<dc:creator>suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;m involved but I&#039;m certainly not going to bow out of analysis and leave it to people like you who presumably feel that you are above involvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m involved but I&#8217;m certainly not going to bow out of analysis and leave it to people like you who presumably feel that you are above involvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-363123</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suz  on <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/#comment-363115" rel="nofollow">23 April 2007 at 10:02 pm</a> </p>
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<blockquote>Iâ€™m not a social scientist. If people disapprove of the category of people to which I belong such that they state that they wouldnâ€™t want to live next door to people like me, I call that prejudice and I donâ€™t call it â€œvalue-freeâ€?.</p></blockquote>
<p></em></p>
<p>You are right, you are not a social scientist. You are confusing observer denotation of a behaviour with participant commendation.</p>
<p>I take my methodological cues from Max Weber whose attitude to political bias could best be described as Puritan paranoid. From the pov of a methodological puritan you are &#8220;getting involved&#8221; and should recuse yourself from the analytical case.</p>
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		<title>By: suz</title>
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		<dc:creator>suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What about using the value-free â€œnot acceptingâ€? or â€œdisapprovingâ€? as the operant phrase in capturing the valency of public opinion?</em></p>
<p>Interesting, one conservative here (SATP) is desperate to prove that everyone, of the left and right, is a bigot, while the other conservative is desperate for us to avoid prejudicial terms like &#8220;prejudice&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a social scientist. If people disapprove of the category of people to which I belong such that they state that they wouldn&#8217;t want to live next door to people like me, I call that prejudice and I don&#8217;t call it &#8220;value-free&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-363088</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no one&#039;s mistress, thanks.

Webatrix!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no one&#8217;s mistress, thanks.</p>
<p>Webatrix!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-363087</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim  on &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/#comment-362914&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;22 April 2007 at 11:03 pm &lt;/a&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Done by a webatrix!&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Webmistress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim  on <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/#comment-362914" rel="nofollow">22 April 2007 at 11:03 pm </a></p>
<p><em><br />
<blockquote>Done by a webatrix!</p></blockquote>
<p></em></p>
<p>Webmistress?</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-363046</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chav


Given that people use the neologism &quot;homophobic&quot; is such incoherent ways, I think those who shriek accusations of &quot;homophobia&#039; would be more interesting subjects for research. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chav</p>
<p>Given that people use the neologism &#8220;homophobic&#8221; is such incoherent ways, I think those who shriek accusations of &#8220;homophobia&#8217; would be more interesting subjects for research. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Done by a webatrix!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done by a webatrix!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-362907</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Webmaster could you close the html tags on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/#comment-362889&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;first embedded link&lt;/a&gt; I embedded in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/#comment-362906&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;above comment&lt;/a&gt;.

Also the phrase In part the &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20050106115253/http://badanalysis.com/catallaxy/index.php?p=339&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Decline of the Wets&lt;/a&gt; link was improperly tagged.

Sorry about the mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Webmaster could you close the html tags on the <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/#comment-362889" rel="nofollow">first embedded link</a> I embedded in the <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/#comment-362906" rel="nofollow">above comment</a>.</p>
<p>Also the phrase In part the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050106115253/http://badanalysis.com/catallaxy/index.php?p=339" rel="nofollow">Decline of the Wets</a> link was improperly tagged.</p>
<p>Sorry about the mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/#comment-362889&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chav  on 22 April 2007 at 7:47 pm&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;As a corollary the Cultural Leftist ideological program is on the nose with the populus.&quot;

&lt;em&gt; If true then youâ€™d expect parties like One nation to be in power, but, er, theyâ€™re notâ€¦&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But, er, they are in a way. The median Australian voter is substantially more culturally conservative now than s/he was a decade ago. In part this &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20050106115253/http://badanalysis.com/catallaxy/index.php?p=339&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Decline of the Wets&lt;/a&gt; is because of the Hanson phenomenon. Only professional sociologists of the Leftist persuasion are ostrich-headed enough to dispute this more or less slef-evident truth.

In stable two-party democracies like Australia we find that fringe parties, like One Nation on the Cultural Right or Greens on Ecological Left, do not necessarily do well in attaining formal office. Their success works indirectly on forcing the major parties to accept moderated forms of their core policies. This has been the fate of One Nation.

Both major parties now more or less accept a moderate version of One Nation cultural conservative policies ie strong border control, stamping out immigration rorts, aversion to hard-core multiculturalism, reform of indigenous welfare bureaucracies, promoting the birth rate of native women. Plus strong defence and plenty of flag waving.

Not to mention falling over themselves to give handouts to rural and regional Australia. 

Larva Prodders seem to be afflicted with a bad case of false consciousness about the true state of political culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/#comment-362889" rel="nofollow">Chav  on 22 April 2007 at 7:47 pm</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;As a corollary the Cultural Leftist ideological program is on the nose with the populus.&#8221;</p>
<p><em> If true then youâ€™d expect parties like One nation to be in power, but, er, theyâ€™re notâ€¦</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But, er, they are in a way. The median Australian voter is substantially more culturally conservative now than s/he was a decade ago. In part this <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050106115253/http://badanalysis.com/catallaxy/index.php?p=339" rel="nofollow">Decline of the Wets</a> is because of the Hanson phenomenon. Only professional sociologists of the Leftist persuasion are ostrich-headed enough to dispute this more or less slef-evident truth.</p>
<p>In stable two-party democracies like Australia we find that fringe parties, like One Nation on the Cultural Right or Greens on Ecological Left, do not necessarily do well in attaining formal office. Their success works indirectly on forcing the major parties to accept moderated forms of their core policies. This has been the fate of One Nation.</p>
<p>Both major parties now more or less accept a moderate version of One Nation cultural conservative policies ie strong border control, stamping out immigration rorts, aversion to hard-core multiculturalism, reform of indigenous welfare bureaucracies, promoting the birth rate of native women. Plus strong defence and plenty of flag waving.</p>
<p>Not to mention falling over themselves to give handouts to rural and regional Australia. </p>
<p>Larva Prodders seem to be afflicted with a bad case of false consciousness about the true state of political culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Angharad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angharad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a Cultural Leftist ideological program?  When&#039;s it on?  I must get out more.</description>
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		<title>By: Chav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As a corollary the Cultural Leftist ideological program is on the nose with the populus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If true then you&#039;d expect parties like One nation to be in power, but, er, they&#039;re not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As a corollary the Cultural Leftist ideological program is on the nose with the populus.</p></blockquote>
<p>If true then you&#8217;d expect parties like One nation to be in power, but, er, they&#8217;re not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chav</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/20/not-everybody-loves-good-neighbours/comment-page-2/#comment-362888</link>
		<dc:creator>Chav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;People want to show off their higher selves&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shame on them!  People don&#039;t want to be thought of bigots!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>People want to show off their higher selves</p></blockquote>
<p>Shame on them!  People don&#8217;t want to be thought of bigots!</p>
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