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	<title>Comments on: Things to Come: Collected Writings</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/</link>
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		<title>By: Peter Kemp</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-364032</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-364032</guid>
		<description>(typo--delete "otherwise", substitute "it"--it's Friday night chateaux cardboard again)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(typo&#8211;delete &#8220;otherwise&#8221;, substitute &#8220;it&#8221;&#8211;it&#8217;s Friday night chateaux cardboard again)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kemp</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-364030</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-364030</guid>
		<description>BeeFster

&lt;blockquote&gt;Julian Burnside is a twit of the highest order.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is that because his legal arguments are wrong or that you don't agree with him for political reasons such as "I love Ratty"? 

If Burnside's arguments are wrong the onus is on you to prove otherwise, Sherlock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BeeFster</p>
<blockquote><p>Julian Burnside is a twit of the highest order.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is that because his legal arguments are wrong or that you don&#8217;t agree with him for political reasons such as &#8220;I love Ratty&#8221;? </p>
<p>If Burnside&#8217;s arguments are wrong the onus is on you to prove otherwise, Sherlock.</p>
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		<title>By: BeeF</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363924</link>
		<dc:creator>BeeF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363924</guid>
		<description>Julian Burnside is a twit of the highest order.</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Kemp</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363794</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363794</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Howard has not done anything illegal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A Rotary function attended by Julian Burnside (emminent Melbourne barrister and QC) and Amanda Thirtystone in 2004
http://www.safecom.org.au/burnside4.htm

&lt;blockquote&gt;Burnside then latched onto section 268.12 of the Australian Criminal Code which promises up to 17 years jail if:

   1. the perpetrator imprisons one or more persons or otherwise severely deprives one or more persons of physical liberty;  and
   2. the perpetrator's conduct violates article 9, 14 or 15 of the Covenant;  and
   3. the perpetrator's conduct is committed intentionally or knowingly as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

(The Covenant referred to is the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the ICCPR.)

The elements of these offences are relatively simple:

    * The perpetrator imprisons one or more persons;
    * That conduct violates Article 9 of the ICCPR;
    * The conduct is committed knowingly as part of a systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

Burnside argued that Australia's system of mandatory, indefinite detention satisfies each of the elements of that crime and that The United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention has found that the system violates Article 9 of the ICCPR.

With Vanstone listening intently just metres away, Burnside then said the following:

"If moral arguments have no purchase, it remains the fact that our government is engaged in a continuing crime against humanity when assessed against its own legislative standards. &lt;strong&gt;I accuse Mr Howard and Mr Ruddock of that crime."
&lt;/strong&gt;
"I accuse Senator Vanstone of that crime.  I expect that they will ignore this accusation, since the only person who can bring charges is the Attorney General of the Commonwealth." &lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is a whole lot more. I guess many of Ratty's supporters will also be saying "he's done nothing illegal" after indictment. Pinochet's supporters probably said the same, but I guess it's a predictable defensive/verbal talisman reaction of those who refuse to see concentration camps under their noses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Howard has not done anything illegal.</p></blockquote>
<p>A Rotary function attended by Julian Burnside (emminent Melbourne barrister and QC) and Amanda Thirtystone in 2004<br />
<a href="http://www.safecom.org.au/burnside4.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.safecom.org.au/burnside4.htm</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Burnside then latched onto section 268.12 of the Australian Criminal Code which promises up to 17 years jail if:</p>
<p>   1. the perpetrator imprisons one or more persons or otherwise severely deprives one or more persons of physical liberty;  and<br />
   2. the perpetrator&#8217;s conduct violates article 9, 14 or 15 of the Covenant;  and<br />
   3. the perpetrator&#8217;s conduct is committed intentionally or knowingly as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.</p>
<p>(The Covenant referred to is the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the ICCPR.)</p>
<p>The elements of these offences are relatively simple:</p>
<p>    * The perpetrator imprisons one or more persons;<br />
    * That conduct violates Article 9 of the ICCPR;<br />
    * The conduct is committed knowingly as part of a systematic attack directed against a civilian population.</p>
<p>Burnside argued that Australia&#8217;s system of mandatory, indefinite detention satisfies each of the elements of that crime and that The United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention has found that the system violates Article 9 of the ICCPR.</p>
<p>With Vanstone listening intently just metres away, Burnside then said the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;If moral arguments have no purchase, it remains the fact that our government is engaged in a continuing crime against humanity when assessed against its own legislative standards. <strong>I accuse Mr Howard and Mr Ruddock of that crime.&#8221;<br />
</strong><br />
&#8220;I accuse Senator Vanstone of that crime.  I expect that they will ignore this accusation, since the only person who can bring charges is the Attorney General of the Commonwealth.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>There is a whole lot more. I guess many of Ratty&#8217;s supporters will also be saying &#8220;he&#8217;s done nothing illegal&#8221; after indictment. Pinochet&#8217;s supporters probably said the same, but I guess it&#8217;s a predictable defensive/verbal talisman reaction of those who refuse to see concentration camps under their noses.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363775</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363775</guid>
		<description>Peter Kemp

You are barking up the wrong tree. Howard has not done anything illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Kemp</p>
<p>You are barking up the wrong tree. Howard has not done anything illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363774</link>
		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363774</guid>
		<description>Dolly Downer -There is no such thing as nepotism in the Howard era.

Dolly Downer - Amanda, do you like pizza?

John Anderson - My relationship with the AWB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolly Downer -There is no such thing as nepotism in the Howard era.</p>
<p>Dolly Downer - Amanda, do you like pizza?</p>
<p>John Anderson - My relationship with the AWB.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363773</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363773</guid>
		<description>While we are on the subject: 
Anyone from melbourne want a FREE ride to Apollo Bay and Back tomorrow Friday 27 April? Email me tonight - I might reply to you. 

NB: It's my music on the car sound system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we are on the subject:<br />
Anyone from melbourne want a FREE ride to Apollo Bay and Back tomorrow Friday 27 April? Email me tonight - I might reply to you. </p>
<p>NB: It&#8217;s my music on the car sound system.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363770</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363770</guid>
		<description>SJ

Oh and by the way, my letter from JH is not my prediction at all. I was just stirring GT. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ</p>
<p>Oh and by the way, my letter from JH is not my prediction at all. I was just stirring GT. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363769</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363769</guid>
		<description>SJ

Yes, you're right there. His margin is only about 2%, isn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ</p>
<p>Yes, you&#8217;re right there. His margin is only about 2%, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kemp</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363768</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363768</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What juicy items would you like to see in the collected works of Mr John Howard?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed--The Indictment preceded by:

&lt;em&gt;John Winston Howard, you are under arrest for war crimes and crimes against humanity contrary to the Australian Criminal Code, the Geneva Conventions and Customary International Law. You do not have to say anything but anything you do say may be written down and used in a court of law against you...&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What juicy items would you like to see in the collected works of Mr John Howard?</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed&#8211;The Indictment preceded by:</p>
<p><em>John Winston Howard, you are under arrest for war crimes and crimes against humanity contrary to the Australian Criminal Code, the Geneva Conventions and Customary International Law. You do not have to say anything but anything you do say may be written down and used in a court of law against you&#8230;</em></p>
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		<title>By: Zwilnik</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363766</link>
		<dc:creator>Zwilnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363766</guid>
		<description>Speeches? Just words whirling about the ether.

Yes, the johnhoward shows much promise. He is already more technologically advanced than the rest of you frail bags of protoplasm, with his enhanced eyes, artificial hearing and focusprompters.

But he does still not grasp the true essence of wielding power. It is only through the whip, the boot and the blaster that one can drive the masses while feeling truly comfortable and relaxed.

But he will learn, as will the rest of you foolish Tellurians. Sooner than you think, once I work my way through the fine print of this *untranslatable* Endemol contract. (I swear by Klono's carbide claws, the entertainment industry lawyers will be first in line for the Lethal Chamber when the Glorious Day of Liberation comes.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speeches? Just words whirling about the ether.</p>
<p>Yes, the johnhoward shows much promise. He is already more technologically advanced than the rest of you frail bags of protoplasm, with his enhanced eyes, artificial hearing and focusprompters.</p>
<p>But he does still not grasp the true essence of wielding power. It is only through the whip, the boot and the blaster that one can drive the masses while feeling truly comfortable and relaxed.</p>
<p>But he will learn, as will the rest of you foolish Tellurians. Sooner than you think, once I work my way through the fine print of this *untranslatable* Endemol contract. (I swear by Klono&#8217;s carbide claws, the entertainment industry lawyers will be first in line for the Lethal Chamber when the Glorious Day of Liberation comes.)</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363765</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363765</guid>
		<description>JG, you're mistaken about Tunbull as well. Even if by some miracle Howard retains government, Turnbull won't be around. His is now one of the most marginal Lib seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JG, you&#8217;re mistaken about Tunbull as well. Even if by some miracle Howard retains government, Turnbull won&#8217;t be around. His is now one of the most marginal Lib seats.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363760</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363760</guid>
		<description>Gummo Trotsky

If Rudd goes down, it will be under the weight of his clueless IR thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gummo Trotsky</p>
<p>If Rudd goes down, it will be under the weight of his clueless IR thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363758</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363758</guid>
		<description>If his performance on Radio National this morning was any guide, the little man is becoming increasingly desperate. Shrill and hysterical doesn't quite cover it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If his performance on Radio National this morning was any guide, the little man is becoming increasingly desperate. Shrill and hysterical doesn&#8217;t quite cover it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Henry Casingbroke</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363754</link>
		<dc:creator>Sir Henry Casingbroke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363754</guid>
		<description>JG, that is like totally meshuggeneh... check out SportsBet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JG, that is like totally meshuggeneh&#8230; check out SportsBet</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363746</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363746</guid>
		<description>Sorry to disappoint you Mr G, but round these parts we're feeling cheerful but not complacent. If it's any consolation to &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt;, I will now have to slip out to the chemist to get some of those Rectinol thingies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to disappoint you Mr G, but round these parts we&#8217;re feeling cheerful but not complacent. If it&#8217;s any consolation to <em>you</em>, I will now have to slip out to the chemist to get some of those Rectinol thingies.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363744</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363744</guid>
		<description>Gummo Trotsky


I hate to be the one who might give you a coronary, but it is starting to look like Howard will be writing "Why in 2008 I announced to the nation that I would be contesting the next election as leader of Liberal Party. I have decided to beat Menzies' record. After that I shall pass the baton on to my Deputy, Malcolm Turnbull."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gummo Trotsky</p>
<p>I hate to be the one who might give you a coronary, but it is starting to look like Howard will be writing &#8220;Why in 2008 I announced to the nation that I would be contesting the next election as leader of Liberal Party. I have decided to beat Menzies&#8217; record. After that I shall pass the baton on to my Deputy, Malcolm Turnbull.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BeeF</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363740</link>
		<dc:creator>BeeF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363740</guid>
		<description>How I consigned Kevin Rudd to the dustheap of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How I consigned Kevin Rudd to the dustheap of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Youie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363738</link>
		<dc:creator>Youie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363738</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He’s no Pitt the Third, I will say that!

Oh, and which Pitt would this be? Pitt the Toddler? Pitt the Embryo? Pitt the Glint in the Milkman’s Eye? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suggest Pitt the Shit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He’s no Pitt the Third, I will say that!</p>
<p>Oh, and which Pitt would this be? Pitt the Toddler? Pitt the Embryo? Pitt the Glint in the Milkman’s Eye? </p></blockquote>
<p>I suggest Pitt the Shit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fiasco da Gama</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363732</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiasco da Gama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/26/things-to-come-collected-writings/#comment-363732</guid>
		<description>Brendan Nelson: &lt;i&gt;Restoring and Customising Vintage Military Hardware for Fun And Profit&lt;/i&gt;
Bill Heffernan: &lt;i&gt;How To Threaten Friends And Influence People&lt;/i&gt;
Phillip Ruddock: &lt;i&gt;What is to be done?&lt;/i&gt;
Tony Abbott: &lt;i&gt;Apologia Pro Vita Sua&lt;/i&gt;
Mark Latham: &lt;i&gt;Address To The Nation from the top of a table at the back of the bar, shirtless and shickered, sticking it up all youse fucken' Tory cunts, come on&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan Nelson: <i>Restoring and Customising Vintage Military Hardware for Fun And Profit</i><br />
Bill Heffernan: <i>How To Threaten Friends And Influence People</i><br />
Phillip Ruddock: <i>What is to be done?</i><br />
Tony Abbott: <i>Apologia Pro Vita Sua</i><br />
Mark Latham: <i>Address To The Nation from the top of a table at the back of the bar, shirtless and shickered, sticking it up all youse fucken&#8217; Tory cunts, come on</i></p>
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