Comments on: Department of Youth http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:56:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Gummo Trotsky http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365330 Gummo Trotsky Fri, 04 May 2007 10:58:49 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365330 Two words, NYR etc: Anecdotal evidence. That's all you've given us in that comment, when it comes to this year's National Round Table. Two more words <em>Ad hominem</em>: short for "shoot the messenger". Have you actually read the research? The fact that the only criticism you've come up with is a personal abuse of the researcher suggests not - if that's the only shot in your locker, don't bother firing it again. It wasn't effective the first time. Oh, one more: Astroturf. I'm sure you've heard of it. Come back with any more of this crap and I'll stop playing nice. Well, once I've got my glasses back, so I can read the screen without having to tilt the office chair back to a ridiculous angle. I've got old age and rat cunning on my side - what have you got? Better be more than good looks, sport, or you're cactus. Two words, NYR etc: Anecdotal evidence. That’s all you’ve given us in that comment, when it comes to this year’s National Round Table.

Two more words Ad hominem: short for “shoot the messenger”. Have you actually read the research? The fact that the only criticism you’ve come up with is a personal abuse of the researcher suggests not - if that’s the only shot in your locker, don’t bother firing it again. It wasn’t effective the first time.

Oh, one more: Astroturf. I’m sure you’ve heard of it.

Come back with any more of this crap and I’ll stop playing nice. Well, once I’ve got my glasses back, so I can read the screen without having to tilt the office chair back to a ridiculous angle.

I’ve got old age and rat cunning on my side - what have you got? Better be more than good looks, sport, or you’re cactus.

]]> By: NYR is good as http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365323 NYR is good as Fri, 04 May 2007 09:28:52 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365323 hey I'm a member of roundtable this year and all the research that the woman is basing her bitching on is rubbish! She "studied six years’ worth of roundtables and found the young people generally weren’t happy with their experiences" but she only studied 7 people out of over 400 young people who have been involved in roundtable over the years! That is 1.75% of members who were studied! AND they were all from the researchers home state! Miss Bridgland Sorenson also says we are chosen for our "media savvy" but no questions are ever asked in the application process regarding media! She also writes "The media representatives were chosen very carefully by the roundtable organisers" how did she not realise that roundtable organisers do not even select members! other young people do!! She says with negative emphasis that six concepts designed at the national youth roundtable were accepted by government. But six concepts of the six years she studied: That is a concept for every year! and the concepts that the government does not have the resources to fund are often undertaken privately or with the aid of other youth organisations- presenting to government is only a small part of the roundtable. I have also never been muzzled, that is wierd... hey

I’m a member of roundtable this year and all the research that the woman is basing her bitching on is rubbish! She “studied six years’ worth of roundtables and found the young people generally weren’t happy with their experiences” but she only studied 7 people out of over 400 young people who have been involved in roundtable over the years! That is 1.75% of members who were studied! AND they were all from the researchers home state!

Miss Bridgland Sorenson also says we are chosen for our “media savvy” but no questions are ever asked in the application process regarding media! She also writes “The media representatives were chosen very carefully by the roundtable organisers” how did she not realise that roundtable organisers do not even select members! other young people do!!

She says with negative emphasis that six concepts designed at the national youth roundtable were accepted by government. But six concepts of the six years she studied: That is a concept for every year! and the concepts that the government does not have the resources to fund are often undertaken privately or with the aid of other youth organisations- presenting to government is only a small part of the roundtable.
I have also never been muzzled, that is wierd…

]]> By: Oz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365073 Oz Thu, 03 May 2007 04:10:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365073 ALP press release on youth policy. <i>Tanya Plibersek MP Shadow Minister for Human Services, Housing, Women and Youth LABOR COMMITS TO AUSTRALIA’S YOUTH Today I announced a series of commitments to increase the number and influence of youth on policy under a Rudd Labor Government. Young Australians will be given a formal, funded mechanism to advise a new Labor Government on how policies affect them which will be independent, more representative and have a broader role than current youth advisory bodies. This mechanism will be called the Australian Youth Forum, and will bring together young people and advocates to discuss problems affecting youth, and how the federal government can be part of a solution. There are a lot of topics that youth have important knowledge and views about, from containing the spread of drugs such as ‘ice’ to improving the quality of education: knowledge that is currently wasted on the Howard Government. The Australian Youth Forum will be a formal communication channel between outstanding youth representatives and service-providers and the Federal Government. Another key to this improved communication will be the appointment of a Youth Minister. Over the last ten years, the Howard Government has: · abolished the National Indigenous Youth Leadership Group; · de-funded the Australian Youth Policy and Action Coalition; · replaced a genuine lobbying body with a hand-picked round table then halved the size of that round table; · abolished the position of Youth Minister; · abolished universal student unionism; and · disenfranchised 18 year olds who are not enrolled to vote. Labor will redress the down-grading of young people as citizens and contributors to our country. We will restore the position of Youth Minister, repeal the electoral laws which if in existence at the last election would have denied up to 160 000 young people their vote, and take seriously the views and interests of youth in policy. 3 May 2007 </i> ALP press release on youth policy.

Tanya Plibersek MP

Shadow Minister for Human Services, Housing, Women and Youth

LABOR COMMITS TO AUSTRALIA’S YOUTH

Today I announced a series of commitments to increase the number and influence of youth on policy under a Rudd Labor Government.

Young Australians will be given a formal, funded mechanism to advise a new Labor Government on how policies affect them which will be independent, more representative and have a broader role than current youth advisory bodies.

This mechanism will be called the Australian Youth Forum, and will bring together young people and advocates to discuss problems affecting youth, and how the federal government can be part of a solution.

There are a lot of topics that youth have important knowledge and views about, from containing the spread of drugs such as ‘ice’ to improving the quality of education: knowledge that is currently wasted on the Howard Government.

The Australian Youth Forum will be a formal communication channel between outstanding youth representatives and service-providers and the Federal Government.

Another key to this improved communication will be the appointment of a Youth Minister.

Over the last ten years, the Howard Government has:

· abolished the National Indigenous Youth Leadership Group;
· de-funded the Australian Youth Policy and Action Coalition;
· replaced a genuine lobbying body with a hand-picked round table then halved the size of that round table;
· abolished the position of Youth Minister;
· abolished universal student unionism; and
· disenfranchised 18 year olds who are not enrolled to vote.

Labor will redress the down-grading of young people as citizens and contributors to our country.

We will restore the position of Youth Minister, repeal the electoral laws which if in existence at the last election would have denied up to 160 000 young people their vote, and take seriously the views and interests of youth in policy.

3 May 2007

]]> By: Seamus http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365026 Seamus Wed, 02 May 2007 22:21:42 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365026 From the very moment they stopped funding to the Youth Action Coalition (I think I've got the name right) and replaced it with the Roundtable the fix was in. Poor kids. Shuffled around by the Youth Bureau suits - "Oh yeah, hey, we really believe in what you're saying, Youth Policy, like, um, totally rocks, yeah...", regular meetings with government intellectual luminaries like Larry Anthony, all the meaningless "busy work" they had to do. From the very moment they stopped funding to the Youth Action Coalition (I think I’ve got the name right) and replaced it with the Roundtable the fix was in.

Poor kids. Shuffled around by the Youth Bureau suits - “Oh yeah, hey, we really believe in what you’re saying, Youth Policy, like, um, totally rocks, yeah…”, regular meetings with government intellectual luminaries like Larry Anthony, all the meaningless “busy work” they had to do.

]]> By: melaleuca http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365004 melaleuca Wed, 02 May 2007 15:12:26 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-365004 Oops, sorry. I thought this was a post about Alice Cooper. Oops, sorry. I thought this was a post about Alice Cooper.

]]> By: Gummo Trotsky http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364989 Gummo Trotsky Wed, 02 May 2007 12:32:28 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364989 They'll still have the Future Fund, steve. They’ll still have the Future Fund, steve.

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364986 steve Wed, 02 May 2007 12:23:10 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364986 Anyway the way the pork is being thrown around by the Dear Leaders Lackies <a href="http://petermartin.blogspot.com/2007/05/suddenly-i-am-in-favour-of-tax-cuts.html" rel="nofollow">there will be nothing in kitty left for the youth.</a> Anyway the way the pork is being thrown around by the Dear Leaders Lackies there will be nothing in kitty left for the youth.

]]> By: Jennifer Gearing http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364985 Jennifer Gearing Wed, 02 May 2007 12:22:11 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364985 Minister for Youth? We replaced that with the Minister for Ageing, didn't we? Minister for Youth? We replaced that with the Minister for Ageing, didn’t we?

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364951 steve Wed, 02 May 2007 09:46:10 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364951 I can remember when the Youth Round tables were set up Gummo and they were set up to fail. Very similar in fact to Howard's constitutional Convention which was also set up by the Howard Government to fail. Similar to the 2007/2008 Federal Coalition buget which is also being set up to fail by all accounts. Similar to the introduction of AWA's and workchoices that were set up tp fail. Similar to the approval for the sale of QANTAS which was set up to fail. Similar to the 2007 Coalition election Campaign which has been set up... I can remember when the Youth Round tables were set up Gummo and they were set up to fail. Very similar in fact to Howard’s constitutional Convention which was also set up by the Howard Government to fail. Similar to the 2007/2008 Federal Coalition buget which is also being set up to fail by all accounts. Similar to the introduction of AWA’s and workchoices that were set up tp fail. Similar to the approval for the sale of QANTAS which was set up to fail. Similar to the 2007 Coalition election Campaign which has been set up…

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364928 Frank Calabrese Wed, 02 May 2007 08:18:42 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364928 Speaking of Yoof <blockquote>SMALLER than expected crowds turned up at rallies today as student unions launched a campaign against the Federal Government's policies on higher education, climate change and industrial relations. The National Union of Students (NUS) today began its Demand a Better Future campaign, which it says aims to promote young Australians' voices on key issues. Across Australia, students marched through city streets to vent their anger on a number of federal issues, including workers' rights, Australia's involvement in the Iraq war and increases in HECS fees. Police reported no incidents of trouble. NUS president Michael Nguyen said he was "probably disappointed" by crowds of only a few hundred in Sydney and Melbourne, after predictions that numbers could exceed 1000. </blockquote> http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21659877-5005361,00.html Speaking of Yoof

SMALLER than expected crowds turned up at rallies today as student unions launched a campaign against the Federal Government’s policies on higher education, climate change and industrial relations.

The National Union of Students (NUS) today began its Demand a Better Future campaign, which it says aims to promote young Australians’ voices on key issues.

Across Australia, students marched through city streets to vent their anger on a number of federal issues, including workers’ rights, Australia’s involvement in the Iraq war and increases in HECS fees.

Police reported no incidents of trouble.

NUS president Michael Nguyen said he was “probably disappointed” by crowds of only a few hundred in Sydney and Melbourne, after predictions that numbers could exceed 1000.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21659877-5005361,00.html

]]> By: Sluggo: Amazing Master of Textual Analysis http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364923 Sluggo: Amazing Master of Textual Analysis Wed, 02 May 2007 08:02:20 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/02/department-of-youth/#comment-364923 "...and found the young people generally weren’t happy with their experiences: “They felt disillusioned, hurt, ignored, not listened to, brushed aside.â€? After detailed lab analysis of the evidence, I feel we can say with utmost confidence -- yep. Those definitely sound like young people. Mah parents think Ah'm crazy And they hate the things Ah do Ah'm stoopid and Ah'm lazy, Man if they only knew... Crank it, boys. “…and found the young people generally weren’t happy with their experiences: “They felt disillusioned, hurt, ignored, not listened to, brushed aside.â€?

After detailed lab analysis of the evidence, I feel we can say with utmost confidence — yep. Those definitely sound like young people.

Mah parents think Ah’m crazy
And they hate the things Ah do
Ah’m stoopid and Ah’m lazy,
Man if they only knew…

Crank it, boys.

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