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	<title>Comments on: Queensland has some very clever politicians</title>
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		<title>By: su</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366162</link>
		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the difference this time is that Costello is doing some strategic withholding of certain sweeties until after the election (if I heard correctly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the difference this time is that Costello is doing some strategic withholding of certain sweeties until after the election (if I heard correctly).</p>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366057</link>
		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 10:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoever burned down the Palm Island police station has my vote for PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever burned down the Palm Island police station has my vote for PM.</p>
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		<title>By: vee</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366048</link>
		<dc:creator>vee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 10:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Standard Goebbels - all pollies do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standard Goebbels - all pollies do it.</p>
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		<title>By: grace pettigrew</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366033</link>
		<dc:creator>grace pettigrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 08:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice observation about Team Rudd and Swan. 

Must admit I've been curious about how they are getting along in the backrooms. It is apparent that Rudd will do and say whatever is necessary to win. And Swan is a clever election strategist too, although he nearly tripped over with that brown bag affair in 2001 (of course it contained dirty money!). Swan's got plenty of front and spine, I just wish he'd grow a neck. 

So together they are a formidable team, endlessly repeating the same banal catch-phrases, and staying on message all the way to the ballot box. 

Nobody breathe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice observation about Team Rudd and Swan. </p>
<p>Must admit I&#8217;ve been curious about how they are getting along in the backrooms. It is apparent that Rudd will do and say whatever is necessary to win. And Swan is a clever election strategist too, although he nearly tripped over with that brown bag affair in 2001 (of course it contained dirty money!). Swan&#8217;s got plenty of front and spine, I just wish he&#8217;d grow a neck. </p>
<p>So together they are a formidable team, endlessly repeating the same banal catch-phrases, and staying on message all the way to the ballot box. </p>
<p>Nobody breathe.</p>
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		<title>By: amused</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366023</link>
		<dc:creator>amused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 07:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2004 people were looking for a reason to give the government the flick, and Latham managed to dissuade them, simply by being Latham. This time, there is even a stronger reason to give the faux populists the flick, and it is nice Mr Rudd and his political 'partner' Ms Gillard in charge, who are, as far as one can see, reasonably sane and markedly more contemporary than the mixture of dinosaurs and marine predators that now constitute the current federal government. This time the 'mob', as that friend of the people Howard calls the electorate, are ready not so much with baseball bats, as with fly whisks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2004 people were looking for a reason to give the government the flick, and Latham managed to dissuade them, simply by being Latham. This time, there is even a stronger reason to give the faux populists the flick, and it is nice Mr Rudd and his political &#8216;partner&#8217; Ms Gillard in charge, who are, as far as one can see, reasonably sane and markedly more contemporary than the mixture of dinosaurs and marine predators that now constitute the current federal government. This time the &#8216;mob&#8217;, as that friend of the people Howard calls the electorate, are ready not so much with baseball bats, as with fly whisks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366017</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 06:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't really answer that Paul from personal knowledge as I was just a footsoldier at the time. I do know that we were all urged to show to Hewson's rally because the perception was that he would end up looking like a nutzoid ranting and waving his arms around if there were protesters (he did) and I think that his attacks on renters, etc, and general air of monomania was being exploited as a big negative.

I'm sure you're right about Medicare though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t really answer that Paul from personal knowledge as I was just a footsoldier at the time. I do know that we were all urged to show to Hewson&#8217;s rally because the perception was that he would end up looking like a nutzoid ranting and waving his arms around if there were protesters (he did) and I think that his attacks on renters, etc, and general air of monomania was being exploited as a big negative.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right about Medicare though.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366016</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 06:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, my reading of the 1993 election, as someone outside the ALP, was that Medicare also cropped up as the campaign went on in a way which may have decisively damaged the Coalition.  My basic analysis is that Hewson and Fightback! were sufficient to enable Labor to turn what would have been a massive defeat into a close-run thing, but something extra was needed to put Labor over the line, amd Medicare was it.  It was also my impression at the time that the Coalition and the private health funds did themselves no favours by running as hard as they did on, respectively, the Coalition's proposed alternative to the Medicare status quo and the private health funds' TV commercials bucketing the public health system.  What did Labor strategists think about this at the time and in their post mortems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, my reading of the 1993 election, as someone outside the ALP, was that Medicare also cropped up as the campaign went on in a way which may have decisively damaged the Coalition.  My basic analysis is that Hewson and Fightback! were sufficient to enable Labor to turn what would have been a massive defeat into a close-run thing, but something extra was needed to put Labor over the line, amd Medicare was it.  It was also my impression at the time that the Coalition and the private health funds did themselves no favours by running as hard as they did on, respectively, the Coalition&#8217;s proposed alternative to the Medicare status quo and the private health funds&#8217; TV commercials bucketing the public health system.  What did Labor strategists think about this at the time and in their post mortems?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366005</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think it was as much Hewson's persona as FightBack (particularly after some of the electorally appalling edges were taken off it in late 92) that defeated him - I know from involvement in the campaign targetting this was certainly as much the goal of the Labor strategy as the GST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think it was as much Hewson&#8217;s persona as FightBack (particularly after some of the electorally appalling edges were taken off it in late 92) that defeated him - I know from involvement in the campaign targetting this was certainly as much the goal of the Labor strategy as the GST.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366004</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Megan and Paul, yep the L A W tax cuts were also a factor - both were reneging on election promises which were central to Labor's re-election in 1993.

Cavalier may be right, but the polls for Labor only really went into freefall shortly after the 1990 victory - which along with Hewson's accession to the leadership, was what put pressure on Hawke.

I think at any rate 1993 was the classic election where the government was heading for a caning, but the personality of the opposition leader was a major factor holding people back from shifting their vote.

I think the same was true in 2004. Crean may not have been able to win, but Beazley had he defeated Latham may have been able to. Another contender (Rudd, Gillard, Tanner, Swan) would have been the best shot as one thing Latham had going for him was the end of overt party squabbling which would have been less likely to have happened had Beazley succeeded Crean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Megan and Paul, yep the L A W tax cuts were also a factor - both were reneging on election promises which were central to Labor&#8217;s re-election in 1993.</p>
<p>Cavalier may be right, but the polls for Labor only really went into freefall shortly after the 1990 victory - which along with Hewson&#8217;s accession to the leadership, was what put pressure on Hawke.</p>
<p>I think at any rate 1993 was the classic election where the government was heading for a caning, but the personality of the opposition leader was a major factor holding people back from shifting their vote.</p>
<p>I think the same was true in 2004. Crean may not have been able to win, but Beazley had he defeated Latham may have been able to. Another contender (Rudd, Gillard, Tanner, Swan) would have been the best shot as one thing Latham had going for him was the end of overt party squabbling which would have been less likely to have happened had Beazley succeeded Crean.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Keeler</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366001</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lachlan Connor, Independent Senate candidate, may well have some thoughts on this http://www.grods.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lachlan Connor, Independent Senate candidate, may well have some thoughts on this <a href="http://www.grods.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.grods.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-366000</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking personally, I tend to agree with the analysis of Labor's 1996 put forward by Rodney Cavalier in his chapter in Clive Bean et al (1996, eds), &lt;em&gt;The Politics of Retribution: the 1996 Australian Federal Election&lt;/em&gt;.  Cavalier's argument is that voters had been ready to change government from as early as 1988, and were dissuaded from doing so by a combination of Labor being able to find non-economic issues on which it could outbid the Coalition in successive elections (notably the environment and Medicare) and the Coalition scaring the horses with overt extreme policies (notably &lt;em&gt;Fightback!&lt;/em&gt; in 1993, and proposed changes to Medicare).  These factors weren't at work in 1996.  Of course Dawkins's indirect tax increases in 1994 (the year after winning an election by beating Hewson about the head on an indirect tax issue) also wouldn't have helped Labor.

Apart from that, I agree with Mark's post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking personally, I tend to agree with the analysis of Labor&#8217;s 1996 put forward by Rodney Cavalier in his chapter in Clive Bean et al (1996, eds), <em>The Politics of Retribution: the 1996 Australian Federal Election</em>.  Cavalier&#8217;s argument is that voters had been ready to change government from as early as 1988, and were dissuaded from doing so by a combination of Labor being able to find non-economic issues on which it could outbid the Coalition in successive elections (notably the environment and Medicare) and the Coalition scaring the horses with overt extreme policies (notably <em>Fightback!</em> in 1993, and proposed changes to Medicare).  These factors weren&#8217;t at work in 1996.  Of course Dawkins&#8217;s indirect tax increases in 1994 (the year after winning an election by beating Hewson about the head on an indirect tax issue) also wouldn&#8217;t have helped Labor.</p>
<p>Apart from that, I agree with Mark&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-365998</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'After Dawkins effectively gave voters the finger with a range of indirect tax rises in the 1994 budget, when Keating had put most of his campaign eggs in the anti-GST basket, nothing Paul Keating could have said would have made any difference to the 1996 result.'

I thought it was the LAW tax cuts that floored Paul Keating.  Everybody says so.  Or was the claw-back after the tax cuts what really happened?  People really do seem to regard tax cuts as their due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;After Dawkins effectively gave voters the finger with a range of indirect tax rises in the 1994 budget, when Keating had put most of his campaign eggs in the anti-GST basket, nothing Paul Keating could have said would have made any difference to the 1996 result.&#8217;</p>
<p>I thought it was the LAW tax cuts that floored Paul Keating.  Everybody says so.  Or was the claw-back after the tax cuts what really happened?  People really do seem to regard tax cuts as their due.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-365995</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And not before time. The whole idea that any bunch of yokels and numpties could knock Howard over was always &lt;strike&gt;crap&lt;/strike&gt; misguided and threatened to put AustralianLabor(TM) on the same path to irrelevance as the moderate liberals within the Liberal Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And not before time. The whole idea that any bunch of yokels and numpties could knock Howard over was always <strike>crap</strike> misguided and threatened to put AustralianLabor(TM) on the same path to irrelevance as the moderate liberals within the Liberal Party.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/08/queensland-has-some-very-clever-politicians/#comment-365994</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the difference this time is that Rudd and Swan are planning to win while the Tories are throwing mud and waiting for a miracle cure to their electoral problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the difference this time is that Rudd and Swan are planning to win while the Tories are throwing mud and waiting for a miracle cure to their electoral problems.</p>
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